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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/1...althcare-reform

Barack Obama today set out a broad plan to replace America's patchwork healthcare coverage with a universal system, the goal that has eluded US presidents for more than a century.

Obama, whose speech was preceded by emotional testimony from a cancer patient, said: "After decades of inaction, we have finally decided to fix what is broken about healthcare in America. We have decided that it's time to give every American quality healthcare at an affordable cost."

The political firefight that is about to engulf the US over the summer is over the 45 million people who have no health insurance that Obama wants to bring into the system.

One of the main doctors' groups warned today that Obama's plan would lead to an explosion in health insurance costs. The are testimonies from thousands of uninsured people relating horror stories of experiences in trying to obtain medical help.

There are also gripping stories from people with insurance but who found the companies failing to pay out for treatment. Others complain that insurance companies refuse to give them coverage because they already have a medical condition.

The president hopes to have legislation implementing health reform on his desk by 1 October and said today he would not tolerate "endless delay" by Congress.

Obama specifically chose to deliver his speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin because it has a healthcare system in place that is more extensive and cheaper than elsewhere in the US.

He proposed the establishment of a health insurance exchange, which would set up a government-backed insurance scheme in competition with private health insurance companies.

His scheme "would allow you to one-stop shop for a healthcare plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that's best for you. None of these plans would be able to deny coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, and all should include an affordable, basic benefit package," Obama said.

"And if you can't afford one of the plans, we should provide assistance to make sure you can."

Great picture of him as well -

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How far up his own **** is he?

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Where the fu*k is the money gonna come from? :blink:

Same place ours does. Social credit system pretending to be some sort of capitalist venture.

Every country should do it.

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Where the fu*k is the money gonna come from? :blink:

Given that the average American spends more on health costs and health related taxes than the average Brit pays towards the NHS in tax, I'm sure they'll manage somehow.

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Where the fu*k is the money gonna come from? :blink:

Interesting question.

While I do not have the data at my fingertips, I was always under the impression that the Americans spent 2x to 3x as much as we do on the administration of their insurance based system and not much more than we do on the actual delivery of health care to their citizens.

I know that it is heresey to say something like this on this this site but I wonder whether health care can be delivered more effectively by the state than by private enterprise through a reduction in administrative expenses and an increase in delivery costs to patients.

There are very few examples of the state being more efficient than the free market but it is possible that health care is one of the few instances where the state might actually be more efficient.

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Why don't they just shut down McDonalds, KFC and Coca Cola instead. Would be much cheaper.

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Why don't they just shut down McDonalds, KFC and Coca Cola instead. Would be much cheaper.

I'm sure you already know why they don't. :ph34r:

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Where the fu*k is the money gonna come from? :blink:

They already spend more on healthcare per person than the NHS does, they just waste it on health insurance administration and sales, leaving little left for healthcare. They could have a schmancy-fancy version of the NHS for less money than they spend today.

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Given that the average American spends more on health costs and health related taxes than the average Brit pays towards the NHS in tax, I'm sure they'll manage somehow.

Thing is... if a large chunk of the public can't afford heath care they intend to pay for it by taxing the same public? Govt has no money of its own remember.

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I've been arguing since before Obama became the president that the USA could run a 4.5 trillion$ deficit every year now. So far they are up to about 2.2 trillion$ following my spending plan I guess.

By my estimates they can double the deficit. The governments in the USA are already paying about 1 trillion for health care. With private funding coming in at another 1 trillion. So throw in another 1 trillion of government spending and they can pay for it all.

And with that they still have another 1.3 trillion of spending to go to reach my estimates for the level of deficit spending.

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Interesting question.

While I do not have the data at my fingertips, I was always under the impression that the Americans spent 2x to 3x as much as we do on the administration of their insurance based system and not much more than we do on the actual delivery of health care to their citizens.

I know that it is heresey to say something like this on this this site but I wonder whether health care can be delivered more effectively by the state than by private enterprise through a reduction in administrative expenses and an increase in delivery costs to patients.

There are very few examples of the state being more efficient than the free market but it is possible that health care is one of the few instances where the state might actually be more efficient.

I think the high cost of American health care has as much to do with the litigious nature of their society as anything else.

For instance, my brother who lives in America, tells me that if you go to a doctor complaining of, say, a slight pain in the chest, you will immediately be referred to several specialists - radiologist for X-rays, cardio-vascular, thoracic, ontologist, etc and each of these will require their own battery of tests. The fact that you probably just had a mild dose of indigestion does not prevent the defensive juggernaut from grinding into action - no possibility is left unexplored, no test is withheld - just in case something is missed and the complainant - or patient, to you and I - is given reason to sue for negligence.

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I think the high cost of American health care has as much to do with the litigious nature of their society as anything else.

For instance, my brother who lives in America, tells me that if you go to a doctor complaining of, say, a slight pain in the chest, you will immediately be referred to several specialists - radiologist for X-rays, cardio-vascular, thoracic, ontologist, etc and each of these will require their own battery of tests. The fact that you probably just had a mild dose of indigestion does not prevent the defensive juggernaut from grinding into action - no possibility is left unexplored, no test is withheld - just in case something is missed and the complainant - or patient, to you and I - is given reason to sue for negligence.

And yet people still sue.....

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Thing is... if a large chunk of the public can't afford heath care they intend to pay for it by taxing the same public? Govt has no money of its own remember.

You miss my point...American's pay more per capita than Brits (and French, Germans, etc, etc) for a service that is not as comprehensive. My implication was that maybe they should change the system. Pay the same as they do now, but in taxes rather than private health insurance, or in health insurance with regulated profits, and use the money to provide universal healthcare. Not that it will ever happen - even the Americans who would benefit seem to have an irrational fear of socialised medicine.

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I watched that film about the state of the American Health Care system, I was shocked.

If Obama can help those that do not fit in the 'can you afford to have this treatment done' then good for him!

Why are people hating on someone trying to help those who can not afford to have basic treatment done without having to sell their house to get it done.

One of the guys in the film had 2 of his fingers cut off, he could only afford to have one of them sewn back on and I think that cost him $30k. I fell off my motorbike and the NHS at first said they didn'tthink it was cost effective to put my thumb back on... but they did in the end for free.

Without that help I could not have afforded to have my now 100% working thumb back on my hand.

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I watched that film about the state of the American Health Care system, I was shocked.

If Obama can help those that do not fit in the 'can you afford to have this treatment done' then good for him!

Why are people hating on someone trying to help those who can not afford to have basic treatment done without having to sell their house to get it done.

One of the guys in the film had 2 of his fingers cut off, he could only afford to have one of them sewn back on and I think that cost him $30k. I fell off my motorbike and the NHS at first said they didn'tthink it was cost effective to put my thumb back on... but they did in the end for free.

Without that help I could not have afforded to have my now 100% working thumb back on my hand.

So you did something really risky, it didn't work out and the NHS stole lots of money from someone else and put it right?

Why not just not steal and don't do risky stuff?

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