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Don't think I've ever enjoyed a speech in parliament as much as that! Had me chuckling away.

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Don't think I've ever enjoyed a speech in parliament as much as that! Had me chuckling away.

Yes, remind me,how did Hague do against Blair in 2001. 160 majority wasn't it, BTW it was Cardinal Wolsey,not Wellesley,

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Yes, remind me,how did Hague do against Blair in 2001. 160 majority wasn't it, BTW it was Cardinal Wolsey,not Wellesley,

If only he wasn't bald and hadn't made that ridiculous speech as a young tory.

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If only he wasn't bald and hadn't made that ridiculous speech as a young tory.

Thats what 14 pints a day does to you.

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Don't think I've ever enjoyed a speech in parliament as much as that! Had me chuckling away.

Erudite, articulate and hysterically funny! :lol::lol:

I loved his " archbishop" crack! :lol::lol:

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Erudite, articulate and hysterically funny! :lol::lol:

I loved his " archbishop" crack! :lol::lol:

I love his suggestion it isn't character assasination and that the Prince of Darkness would be flattered :lol:

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If only he wasn't bald and hadn't made that ridiculous speech as a young tory.

Surely to goodness a man can be allowed live his foolhardy youth down. The rest of us did not have the disadvantage of being in the limelight, when were showing ourselves up.

And what of the other buffoons in the politicial arena? Gorgo has made, and continues to make, gaffs which would make the thickest skinned of us, squirm. Sadly he does not have enough self-insight to realise what a t*t he makes of himself, on a regular basis.

Whatever qualities Hague does - or does not - have, he has a way with words.

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Erudite, articulate and hysterically funny! :lol::lol:

I loved his " archbishop" crack! :lol::lol:

+1

It was like a stand-up comedian gig all at the expense of Labour...the Tories were roaring. Bloody funny.

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Surely to goodness a man can be allowed live his foolhardy youth down. The rest of us did not have the disadvantage of being in the limelight, when were showing ourselves up.

And what of the other buffoons in the politicial arena? Gorgo has made, and continues to make, gaffs which would make the thickest skinned of us, squirm. Sadly he does not have enough self-insight to realise what a t*t he makes of himself, on a regular basis.

Whatever qualities Hague does - or does not - have, he has a way with words.

It's just the way politics has "developed" same as the rest of society.Kinnock was Welsh and bald and despite the fact he could speak as well as Hague it did for him.Hague's shenanigans on the judo mat with Seb probably havn't helped him within the party either,they still have an inherent crustiness despite the touchy feely rhetoric.

Times and values change however.Hitler would have been regarded as a hoot in the modern era,the only reason he succeeded was that he manipulated the media of the day superbly.

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It's just the way politics has "developed" same as the rest of society.Kinnock was Welsh and bald and despite the fact he could speak as well as Hague it did for him.Hague's shenanigans on the judo mat with Seb probably havn't helped him within the party either,they still have an inherent crustiness despite the touchy feely rhetoric.

Times and values change however.Hitler would have been regarded as a hoot in the modern era,the only reason he succeeded was that he manipulated the media of the day superbly.

He is naturally hilarious. A very sharp wit. It's a shame it looks like his Have I Got NewFor You days are over.

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He is probably the best Prime Minister that we will never have.

For once we agree, Mandelson probably is the best PM we will never have ;)

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I'm not a Tory, but I also love William Hague. I can even forgive the follies of his youth :lol: He was leader of the conservatives at the wrong time, they should bring him back and oust 'call me dave'

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Thats what 14 pints a day does to you.

I thought it put hairs on your despatch box.

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I think Hague has the makings of a real statesman, certainly in terms of speaking, just not sure if he has much else behind that.

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Well Joe I also agree Many could have been a contender, but for his flawed paersonality and clear disdain for democracy. That coupled with dishonesty meant that he will never get the job. If he had kept his nose cleaner Gordo would never had the job. Whether we would have been a better state is another debate.

Back to Hague. I think he is far better than slimy Cameron, who reminds me of Blair too much to like him. Hague seems to show the leadership skills and clarity of thought that a political leader should display.

My big concern and it is with the whole lot of them, why do we allow career politicians in the first place.

Politicians should have to prove life skills and experience before seeking office. Derek Simpson of Unite showed more common sense than the politicians last night on QT. Ruth Lea too. Derek showed understanding and compassion, coupled with a passion for doing his best for people and being honest with them. He is not the most eloquent speaker but would be an interesting addition to parliament.

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Kinnock was Welsh and bald and despite the fact he could speak as well as Hague it did for him.

The oft-cited observation that bald men don't do well in elections is, I feel, down to pure coincidence. If we had a politician who was inspiring and electable, which we do not have in either of the parties presently, then I doubt a barren scalp would deter voters.

When Kinnock was leader of the opposition, Labour's chances of success were marred not by Kinnock's shiny crown, but by a relatively popular Tory party and a hostile media. Hague's chances were scuppered by the young and still-popular Blair and a Tory party that was perceived as blue-rinsed and out-of-touch. The worst thing that could have ever happened to the Tories happened next: IDS. :o

Love him or loathe him, Kinnock, in the 80s and early 90s, was a fine orator and a skilled politician: sadly, his ability to send tingles down the spines of an audience of ten-thousand socialists did not transfer well to television, where people react better to a bullshitting conversational style, not passionate and well-meaning rabble-rousing. Kinnock suffered at the hands of the media - in particular the Murdoch media, since old Rupert loathed old Labour - in a way that was shocking and unfair. I was never a Labour supporter, and I think socialism is not the solution, but I admired Kinnock as a politician.

However: Kinnock later let himself down and lost all credibility with his high jinks in Europe, the bald-headed Welsh windbag. :P

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Surely to goodness a man can be allowed live his foolhardy youth down. The rest of us did not have the disadvantage of being in the limelight, when were showing ourselves up.

And what of the other buffoons in the politicial arena? Gorgo has made, and continues to make, gaffs which would make the thickest skinned of us, squirm. Sadly he does not have enough self-insight to realise what a t*t he makes of himself, on a regular basis.

Whatever qualities Hague does - or does not - have, he has a way with words.

Quite.

I used to enjoy the 'Bushisms', now it's become 'Brownisms' (Saved the world, Obama beach!!? etc)

And neither of them recognises the cockups.

How the mighty have fallen. :P:P

RiG

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