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London is fantastic IMHO. I've lived in San Francisco and Gothenburg and love it here above those two by far (though I do slightly miss the never-ending sunny weather and blue skies of the Bay Area :().

My wife and I have travelled extensively and neither of us would want to live anywhere else (except possibly Southern/Western France by the beach when we retire!).

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To be fair to London, although I used to get these in London 25 years ago, even when just passing through for an hour to get a train to go out the other side, you dont really get them these days.

We were in London Monday and Tuesday last week. I don't know whether the pollution was worse because of the warm weather, maybe it was the amount of travelling about we did, but black as the ace of spades!

Jogging in London can't be a healthy pastime!

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A city doesn't 'die' in 7 years. Especially when its been there for 2000 and world class for 400. Your beef with London is that it costs too much. It costs too much because everybody wants to be there. And thats why its lost ots 'Englishness'

yeah. those and the feeling its population is at least 1/5th too large for the city.

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i disagree. i knocked back a 60k pa offer for a london job on the grounds of 'life quality'

you wont find me getting up at 6am to sit on a packed tube to some grey office, starbucks coffee and a fancy sandwoch, before fighting my way home to some forsaken studio flat and a shared bathroom.

to live in london is to be imprisoned from life.

rats in a lab. minions. cogs. thats all.

Buy a motorbike. Free parking (for the most part) and 30 minutes or less into the City from a nice - far - London suburb (not the inner-Shitty living, which has never appealed to me.) As for housing, just rent. A nice house outside central London isn't that much different in rental price from one in South Manchester (I know, I work in both locations.) And as for wages, well, London is in a league of it's own, especially if you are in Banking (yes, even now; don't believe me, take a look at Jobserve.)

If I could earn the same (or similar) wage in Manchester, I'd move back permanently like a shot. Truth is, I can't, and it's not like South Manchester house prices are cheap, is it? (take a look at the threads we have going in the North West section of HPC.) London can be a fine place to live and work; you just have to know how to live here. I mean, I'm a Northern Lad, but I've worked in London for 22 years on and off, so it can't be that bad. And believe me, I'm a real fussy b'stard about "lifestyle". :)

Cheers,

Nomadd

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Buy a motorbike. Free parking (for the most part) and 30 minutes or less into the City from a nice - far - London suburb (not the inner-Shitty living, which has never appealed to me.) As for housing, just rent. A nice house outside central London isn't that much different in rental price from one in South Manchester (I know, I work in both locations.) And as for wages, well, London is in a league of it's own, especially if you are in Banking (yes, even now; don't believe me, take a look at Jobserve.)

If I could earn the same (or similar) wage in Manchester, I'd move back permanently like a shot. Truth is, I can't, and it's not like South Manchester house prices are cheap, is it? (take a look at the threads we have going in the North West section of HPC.) London can be a fine place to live and work; you just have to know how to live here. I mean, I'm a Northern Lad, but I've worked in London for 22 years on and off, so it can't be that bad. And believe me, I'm a real fussy b'stard about "lifestyle". :)

Cheers,

Nomadd

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I agree (being a Northern lad meself). I love London. Living here in the States (in Rhode Island) give me Boston anytime over NY. Boston reeks of Colonial life-just luv it.

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Why would you not want to live in London or bring up a family there, its been enriched to the standards of 1980s drug and crime-riddled inner-city America.

What a wonderfully "enriched" capital the English race have to show the world! Aren't we proud?

http://gangsinlondon.piczo.com/

I've never known a capital city that doesn't have bad areas - have you?

Anyway, the last two places I've lived in London have been wonderful - Kew Gardens and Dulwich.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...es-1699988.html

London is a blooody shiithole.

i have been to other cities and what you find is that many people live in them, but not london, at night its a ghost town of ofices and shops and only the really rich can live there.

compare that to my fave place amsterdam where poor people live in the city centre. admittedly its all a differnt scale but the difference is noticable, above all the shops and such there are homes with normal people living in them, not just the blooody rich.

london is a concrete nightmare.

What a total crock of shit. I'm not a born Londoner, but London is a excellent place to live. You obviously know nothing about it, referring to the city centre - London doesn't have a city centre. London is collection of villages that have merged together.

You must be talking about the City, well nobody lives there, its a business centre.

There are lots of poor people in London and where I live we are surrounded by parks and commons.

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Thats a bit of a generalisation about British people that I find a little offensive (being British and from 'another part of the UK'). Im assuming that you arent British?

To put the record straight, if its nights out youre talking about, we North Westerners started the clubbing/rave trend in the 80's it wasnt London - they have only latched onto clubbing in the last 15 years. We did it all in Manchester and Liverpool (ever heard of the Hacienda?). We introduced big clubs to Ibiza like Cream (from Liverpool) and Manumission (guess where that came from? There's a hint in the name).

The best clubbing nights are still away from London but it has moved on with a more modern style. I hear music in London that is at least 6 years old.

As for eating out London has far more bad places than good and the rest of the country has fantastic resaurants (usually outside of cities)

Oh, I see.. you invented music and night clubs in the 1980's. I guess I imagined London in the 1980's.

As a northerner myself I have to laugh at the insular attitudes of my folk.

Its called Stockholm Syndrome and I like your idea. Thats basically true. Whereever you live you get used to it and its okay - at least in Western Europe or other free societies. It is amazing that a house in say Battersea can cost a million pounds. And people stay...sometimes even when theyve paid for it. I still maintain the attraction is anonymity and that the fact that its basically an open border - anything goes fo anyone. I dont much like the Boris hype about the greatest city on earth. Its peobably the gretest coty in Europe - doesnt make it the best place to live - but its a world city - and if youre into that Londons for you

I live in Battersea, and I love the place. Its quiet, people are very friendly (I know a lot of my neighbours). Never been bothered with crime. Good schools, plenty of open spaces (its not called Nappy Valley for nothing). and 150 eateries within a 15minute walk. Excellent restaurants, bars, the highest concentration of single females in a London borough. I've lived in 10 homes all over London, Covent Garden, Westbourne Park, Pimlico, Oxford street, Baywater, Waterloo etc. Battersea is by far the best place. North London IS over crowded and over developed.

However, I wouldn't pay £1million for a house here. Thats bonkers.

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I've never known a capital city that doesn't have bad areas - have you?

Anyway, the last two places I've lived in London have been wonderful - Kew Gardens and Dulwich.

I hated Kew because of the plane noise and constant South Circular traffic. The best thing was it was the best place on the tube to get into the centre and out on the M4 and M3. Other than that Kew was lovely - shops, restaurants, small scale, friendly, cut off by the river. I went round to see a friend last week. They have pauses in conversation while the plane goes over.

Dulwich is a lovely middle class place to live, but completely cut off by road from anywhere. It is impossible to get out from, as is most of South-East London. And it is too close to Peckham to be uneventful.

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Moving to London was the biggest mistake of my life. I developed respiratory problems and need different inhalers.

My sleep is poor due to planes, repeated burglary attempts, copulating foxes, fighting neighbours, minicab horns, and constant police sirens. And I live in a quiet leafy part.

I moved out of London and recovered but the commuting turned me into a zombie Monday to Friday and I spent all Saturday recovering after being a sleep camel all week.

You can't compare London to living in Yorkshire, Wales or Devon - because it is all about the jobs. Compared to the commutable areas in the South-East, London is relatively cheap to live. Where I live in London is much cheaper than commuter land in Surrey, Kent, and Essex. London suburbs are very cheap places to live for the south-east of England. People forget that London is cheap.

If you're poor you need to live in London because you can't afford to travel. If you're a little wealthy you commute. If you're mega-rich you can afford the nice parts of London.

Last year I went to the Royal Albert Hall to see an opera medley. It took me longer from London than it took my friends from Bath to get there. They just went straight down the M4, whereas I had to frig about with trains, tubes, and buses. I was tired from walking when I arrived, they were rested.

I recommend choosing a career where you don't have to work in London. If you're in advertising, finance, media, etc., you don't get much choice where to work.

When I started 20 years ago most people lived within a 20 minute tube ride of the office. Now most people spend 20 minutes getting to Waterloo to spend another 40-60 minutes on the train, plus a car ride home. Most of my colleagues are out of the house before 6am and back after 8pm 5 days a week. A lot of them now stay in lodgings 4 nights a week and just moved their families out of the South-East. Lots of people in my office fly down from Scotland or up from Cornwall once a week, as it is cheaper than a daily train fare on a commuter line before 0930. i.e. You can do Glasgow -> London for £70 on the plane, which is less than Winchester -> London.

If I earnt more I would move to Surrey or Kent, but I can't afford it. I am seriously considering getting a nice house in a village for the family outside the South-East, and visiting them just at weekends. During the week I don't see them while working and just grump at them.

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Too much is made out of how fantastic cities are.. Some are great to visit, but give me the tranquility of the countryside any day of the week. I would feel suffocated living in London - so many people on top of each other (so to speak). I dont think I could personally do it. I think places like London are ideal to go contracting in, and such like.

I personally wouldnt go there earning an "average" wage...I'd rather stay in Somerset, earn a bit less and have a much better quality of life. I think i'd only move there, if a truly amazing job opportunity came up. Many people think the quality of life is about having 78 bars in their local vacinity or having access to upteen theatres & nightclubs on their doorstep - balls is it.

I wonder how many Londoners are planning their escape, after their last 48 hours of transport hell... A fair amount I suspect.

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I wonder how many Londoners are planning their escape, after their last 48 hours of transport hell... A fair amount I suspect.

It is because they escaped but couldn't move their jobs they got the transport hell. The problem is getting the good jobs outside of London. You never see a job on £200k+ outside of London that don't require you to be a main board Director.

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It is because they escaped but couldn't move their jobs they got the transport hell. The problem is getting the good jobs outside of London. You never see a job on £200k+ outside of London that don't require you to be a main board Director.

Earning £200k a year is just not going to happen for a very high percentage of the general population. I'm talking earning 25-30k a year. I just couldn't be doing with the daily London grind for that sort of wage.

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and Manumission (guess where that came from? There's a hint in the name).

Manumission means the formal act of freeing from slavery you Northern Monkey. - http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=manumission

And yes, London is shit hole as are Liverpool and Manchester. So much so that half the populations of said cities seem to now be living in city No 5 on the list - Perth, where I live.

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London is a nice place to visit, but living there unless extremely wealthy is hell - not because of the place, it has fantastic buildings, shops, infrastructure, job opportunities, nightlife, culture etc - but because of the people. A cultural melting pot on the verge of boiling over, very apparent in the east end.

Auckland 12th. Usually ranks higher than that. Feels like heaven to me, we have space to build out rather than up. Some call it urban sprawl, I think its just freedom. Good weather, fantastic scenery, decent people mostly, plenty of jobs, good healthcare, not a lot of crime. Bliss. ;)

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A few years ago New Scientist magazine carried out a survey. They had people smile at strangers and counted the number of people who smiled back. London came bottom and Glasgow top of the list.

Someone in Ken Livingstone's office said this was because of the multicultural nature of London and that made it harder for people to identify with each other. Strange that, makes it sound even worse.

No it's because southerners are snooty and insecure. People in the north are just much friendlier, and more socially secure meaning they are less afraid of strangers.

There is a massive social difference between the north and south, I knew a guy at university with me (in a snooty town) from the north. This guy was one of the most friendly, funny, interesting, handsome (no i'm not gay!) guys you could meet, he was incredibly popular in his home town, yet at university he found it very difficult to socialise (especially with girls).

Honestly I think if I grew up in the north of England I may not have wanted to leave. I think that guy was from Barrow.

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Oh, and :

London is great if you earn 100k plus. Why anyone else lives there I don't know.

Paris is over-rated at 17. Lots of beautiful architecture and good transport does not compensate for the nasty combination of snooty Parisians and disenfranchised immigrant youths.

It detracts slightly from the article when the journalist is so slipshod that he/she puts a picture of Zurich against the Geneva blurb.

Paris may be over-rated as a 'city'; but its women are worthy of the number 1 spot. Delightful creatures... :)

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No it's because southerners are snooty and insecure. People in the north are just much friendlier, and more socially secure meaning they are less afraid of strangers.

Honestly I think if I grew up in the north of England I may not have wanted to leave. I think that guy was from Barrow.

I'm from Bolton and I live and work in London and all I can say is that is utter ******** :) I sure as hell wanted to leave anyway, because I wouldn't be in an interesting job, with opportunities and money if I was working a dead-end job in the North West.

Just last month my sister went from working a dead-end job in Manchester to.. you guessed it.. London. She now has a great job and a good future ahead of her. The opportunities speak for themselves.

London ain't all bad, and that's from a Lancastrian who was bred to hate the place. I used to spout all that garbage about snooty southerners and friendly Northerners, but it was all down to MY insecurity. Not theirs - MINE. Fortunately I grew up.

Just admit it.

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There is a massive social difference between the north and south, I knew a guy at university with me (in a snooty town) from the north. This guy was one of the most friendly, funny, interesting, handsome (no i'm not gay!) guys you could meet, he was incredibly popular in his home town, yet at university he found it very difficult to socialise (especially with girls).

I wonder why

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