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:lol: Well I liked it when I lived there. According to your motto that says more about me than Amsterdam!

What do you want from a city? It's friendly, lively, good transport, stacked with lovely well-educated girls with a great attitude and the best b"tts outside Brazil due to their cycling addiction, huas if you like that sort of thing, good beer, good food if you stick to the ethnic restaurants, plenty of cultural diversions, soft drugs are legal, frankly it beats any UK city out of sight.

Its one major downside is the worst climate I've ever experienced - this from a Brit.

Yeah, to be fair, I'd rather live there than London. Indeed, when recruited to my current job, I understood I was to be based just outside Amsterdam. Sadly, after a few months, someone several layers more senior than me disagreed, and so I find myself back in Ussux.

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I lived in London for nearly 9 years until last year: The number of people that said this exact phrase to me was increddible. I agree with all the comments about London being a s%&t hole but I think these days it is caused by the people. It has changed a lot during my stay there and I think it is largely the housing bubbles fault. All the decent folk left years ago as it became too exspensive to live. All that is left is super rich (who only live in London a few times a year at most), the super poor (and there are a growing number in London - mostly from what I see not native British). The result - no people socialising. No-one on tubes, no people in pubs, restaurants, not even just milling round. TCR and Oxford Street has closed shops and offices. Its wierd and quite sad to see London like a ghost town these days.

I now live in one those top 50 cities and wont be returning to London for the foreseeable future if ever.

Likewise, i've lived 'dahn sarf' for a decade now and I can say with much conviction that London is a hole (or a-hole, works both ways) that is a grinding, spirit-crushing testimony to the failures of multiculturalism, capitalism and cheek-to-jowl living.

I suppose London's a blast if you're a tourist or one of the super-rich pack. Streets of gold? Streets of sh1te more like.

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I live in London and it is great! As long as you live in a nice part and have enough money to enjoy the good things here that is - but isn't that the same as everywhere else? (I'm sure there must be some bad parts of Vancouver?)

There is loads of stuff to do and if I ever want to get away there is 5 airports accessible by public transport, and train stations in all directions.

I have lived in other parts of the UK and when I moved to London quite a few people said to me when I moved "why do you want to live in London - you have all you need here?". Fact is those people ideas of a night out is a trip to tescos, and would probably eat out once a year. There is nothing wrong with that but if you like variety in life and the chance to meet interesting people and do interesting things every day then London is pretty much the best place to live.

I know people from all over the world and they choose to live in London - I think that says a lot more than these surveys. I have also spent a lot of time in various cities in Australia and I genuinely can't see what the fuss is about, again I know plenty of Aussies who live in London and have no plans to go back unless they have to.

Despite all the above I won't spend my whole life here due to the high cost of property - to have a good size house with garden etc in a good area costs more than I would ever be able to spend. then again due to massive HPI over the past decade this could also be true for a lot of places.

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A few years ago New Scientist magazine carried out a survey. They had people smile at strangers and counted the number of people who smiled back. London came bottom and Glasgow top of the list.

Someone in Ken Livingstone's office said this was because of the multicultural nature of London and that made it harder for people to identify with each other. Strange that, makes it sound even worse.

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I have lived in other parts of the UK and when I moved to London quite a few people said to me when I moved "why do you want to live in London - you have all you need here?". Fact is those people ideas of a night out is a trip to tescos, and would probably eat out once a year. There is nothing wrong with that but if you like variety in life and the chance to meet interesting people and do interesting things every day then London is pretty much the best place to live.

Thats a bit of a generalisation about British people that I find a little offensive (being British and from 'another part of the UK'). Im assuming that you arent British?

To put the record straight, if its nights out youre talking about, we North Westerners started the clubbing/rave trend in the 80's it wasnt London - they have only latched onto clubbing in the last 15 years. We did it all in Manchester and Liverpool (ever heard of the Hacienda?). We introduced big clubs to Ibiza like Cream (from Liverpool) and Manumission (guess where that came from? There's a hint in the name).

The best clubbing nights are still away from London but it has moved on with a more modern style. I hear music in London that is at least 6 years old.

As for eating out London has far more bad places than good and the rest of the country has fantastic resaurants (usually outside of cities)

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'If nowhere else in the world will have you, you'll find a welcome in Amsterdam.'

But there's ALWAYS somewhere else in the world who will have them...the UK!

Amsterdam is my favourite City also, I visit there every year to chill out and take in the scenery and lifestyle. This year will be my 12th, I normally stay for 5 days Monday - Saturday...I'd move there in a New York Minute if the opportunity arose.

On the subject of London...I've visited there a few times when I'm gigging down that way, usually for 3 or 4 days at a time every 5-6 months or so. I must say that the Bus Drivers in London are the rudest, most unhelpful bunch or sorry @ss tw@ts this side of the Atlantic! If you can get one that actually speaks/understands English you'll get a tirade of abuse unleashed upon you if you even think about asking them anything pertaining to your required Bus Stop.

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London is great if you have loads of cash.

I currently live in Hong Kong and it puts London to shame. Also, you can live incredibly cheaply if you want to.

By the way Paris is the biggest shit hole in the world. I wouldn't even let the mother in law live there. ;)

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Not a lot of surprise there, London is a shit hole.

Now Paris is a different kettle of fish.

Paris is great for a weekend away, but horrible if you have to work there.

Overcrowding on the metro at rush hour can be measured on a numeric scale - the number of human bodies pressed against you. 2 is average, 3 or 4 is common.

I've said several times at social gatherings that I find the London rush-hour tube "relaxing". This draws horrified stares, even after I've explained that I'm comparing it to Paris. :lol:

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If London didn't exist, it would have to be invented in order for people (most of them northerners) to have something to moan about! FFS if you don't like it, don't live there! There's always Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Carlisle, Barrow, Hull, etc....

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Not many people thought London is great to buy in March compared to March 09:

http://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices_...mp;endyear=2009

note also that median prices of detached and semi-det are plummeting...

Also see how small the rise in sales volumes is compared to levels two years ago.

lol

another perfect example of this crash that didnt happen. note all the flat lines. oooh, detached houses fell..... er, thats detached houses in london, you know, the ones that cost millions anyway. artificial prices falling dont count.

THERE HAS BEEN NO HOUSE PRICE CRASH

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If London didn't exist, it would have to be invented in order for people (most of them northerners) to have something to moan about! FFS if you don't like it, don't live there! There's always Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Carlisle, Barrow, Hull, etc....

... or on the edge of the Peak District, Lake District, Penines, or North Yorkshire Moors.

To all the London lovers I have two words for you.

Black bogies!

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I lived in London for over 20 years before moving to NL. (Work in Amsterdam, live just thirty miles outside it).

As a place to live it beats London hands down. It is not spoilt by cars. The infrastructure works. Public transport is inexpensive and reliable. There is a great entertainment and dining scene. Property is relatively inexpensive. Where I live they are just building apartments right next to the intercity station (Amsterdam 30 mins, Schiphol 35 mins). A two bedroom 80m new build is selling for 135k euro, about 115 GBP. Wages are similar to the UK but direct income tax a lot higher. (52% top rate kicks in around 40k euro).

Biggest problem is all the British stag parties that swamp the place every weekend. :lol:

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Why do you think its from dogs? :lol:

I thought this would be the last word on this thread: Seems not.

But hats (or should that be haats) off to you all the same.

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Black bogies!

To be fair to London, although I used to get these in London 25 years ago, even when just passing through for an hour to get a train to go out the other side, you dont really get them these days.

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Funny how London is full of people from these apparently amazing other cities

Spot on nzyme.

London's problem in terms of being a crap place to live, is that in becoming destination no.1 for all sorts of people from all over the world and other parts of the UK who want to come and rape it for a few years (be that to study, to make their forture, to save up that deposit and f off back to the southern hemisphere, to party, to claim asylum) and move on means that it has lost any permanance of character, or any sense of cultural identity.

If london is primarily defined by its cosmopolitan/multicultural identity, then in effect it has no actual identity of its own.

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These surveys are always skewed in odd ways. The Financial Times put Stara Zagora in Bulgaria as I think one of the top 3 places in the world to live.

London is a nice place to live, in the expensive parts. The enclaves around Regents park have their own police forces.

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Ah london you're a lady

Laid out before my eyes

Your heart of gold it pulses

Between your scarred up thighs

Your eyes are full of sadness

Red busses skirt your hem

Your head-dress is a ring of lights

But I would not follow them

Your architects were madmen

Your builders sane but drunk

Among your faded jewels

Shine acid house and punk

You are a scarlet lady

Your streets run red with blood

Oh my darling they have used you

And covered you with mud

It was deep down in your womb my love

I drank my quart of sin

While chinamen played cards and draughts

And knocked back mickey finns

Your piss is like a river

Its scent is beer and gin

Your hell is in the summer

And you blossom in the spring

September is your purgatory

Christmas is your heaven

And when the stinking streets of summer

Are washed away by rain

At the dark end of a lonely street

That's where you lose your pain

'tis then your eyes light up my love

And sparkle once again

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Thats a bit of a generalisation about British people that I find a little offensive (being British and from 'another part of the UK'). Im assuming that you arent British?

To put the record straight, if its nights out youre talking about, we North Westerners started the clubbing/rave trend in the 80's it wasnt London - they have only latched onto clubbing in the last 15 years. We did it all in Manchester and Liverpool (ever heard of the Hacienda?). We introduced big clubs to Ibiza like Cream (from Liverpool) and Manumission (guess where that came from? There's a hint in the name).

The best clubbing nights are still away from London but it has moved on with a more modern style. I hear music in London that is at least 6 years old.

As for eating out London has far more bad places than good and the rest of the country has fantastic resaurants (usually outside of cities)

I am British and it is not offsensive to say that a lot of people aren't really interested in doing much after work, or who are happy just to stick to their routine. My point was London offers a lot of things for people who want to get out there and do it. I was saying that London is a good place - not that other places are bad. there is a lot to do in Manchester/Liverpool etc. but you can't compare them to London.

I think referring to the rave scene/Madchester etc. is a bit out of date?! There are plenty of very good club nights in London & around if you look. Manchester & Liverpool still have (always had) a great live music scene - but where do the musicians move to when they make it? oh yeah London, obviously cos it is a sh!thole.

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I lived in London for 20 years and have just moved back to my home town in the West Midlands. Lived in plenty of places in London and I thought it was fantastic but I prefer living up here for the reasons people quote - its friendlier, housing is larger and better value, less congestion, easier to get around, people are less full of themselves and so on.

There is something about London though and the upsides outweigh the downsides. Its a frustrating place but full of history and culture. Worth the experience.

If you think London is Oxford Street, Covent Garden & the City/Docklands then of course its a shi*hole but anyone living in London only goes to those places to work (if they have any sense).

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Well you would expect this kind of stuff from a bunch of losers like you get on here.

I'm born and bred Londoner. Yeah it's way too expensive and it has been gentrified to hell in some parts but the rest of the UK is just a dead-end. Nice countryside and all that but...you don't have anything.

If you want to sit in front of yor TV all your life and think eating a chicken korma is adventurous then you won't like London. But then you don't know London.

As for the crap about the north doing house...you didn't know what you had. Acid house was London, it still is, Manchester is dead. All your clubs are shut. We have hundreds every weekend, it's the place to play for DJs from all over the US and Europe...and you can't eat cheaply here? You don't know London. You can't get around? You don't know London.

You people don't know London, don't understand it, and like many of your (often racist) postings on HPC you are fearful weak people. You embarrass yourself by slagging it off, if it doesn't bother you, why refer to it? I don't sit around with my mates and slag off the provinces, we like your farms and quaint little cities with high rise parking...

Mind you Barcelona and Berlin are better cities right now imo... (clue: they are abroad) ;)

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I have lived in Japan & Germany & Czech Rep. & Middle East. I was a serial expat. And I HATED London. Other cities I lived in I could get to work in 10 mins, live in bigger flats, live near parks and afford to eat out every night. I swore I'd never live in London - til I had to. It takes YEARS to love London. It takes longer to get to work, you live in a relatively smaller space and everything is a hassle. My take on this is contrarian. London is no good when you're young which is when you're meant to enjoy it. It costs too much and you can't meet people after work without travelling across town for an hour. You're constantly broke. It's more fun when you're older don't want to go out every night and have a good well paid job. If you lose it you're likely to find another - everything is here. Then there's all the rubbish about theatres museums etc. - no int from me but you won't find better. And finally there's this thing I can't explain where you wake up after 4 or 5 years and can't honestly say you'd prefer to work anywhere else. Take breaks from - yes - but in the end you won't be as anonymous anywhere else in the world - that;s the attraction.And the history…the basic formula never chanes - anyone can come here - you arrive and sink or swim. It will never change

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