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Former students should pay up to 2.5 per cent of their salary for 20 years after graduating, said the National Union of Students.

The NUS said the new system should be imposed in place of existing, up front tuition fees.

A report said that a banker on almost £60,000 could pay almost £400 a month at the age of 40, while a teacher earning around £30,500 would be paying less than £100 at the same age. Those earning below £15,000 a year would not make contributions.

The proposals will be submitted to a Government review of tuition fees being launched later this year.

Ministers have already come under pressure from universities to lift the existing £3,100-a-year cap amid claims British institutions struggle to compete with those in the United States.

But the NUS already claim students face debts of more than £20,000 for a three-year course - putting many of the poorest sixth-formers off university.

Publishing the report, Wes Streeting NUS president, said: "NUS' proposals would give universities double the amount of funding they currently receive, while allowing the children of poorer families to go to university without the fear of debt. They would also prevent the emergence of a market in higher education, where only the rich could afford to attend our most prestigious universities."

But Wendy Piatt, director general of the Russell Group, which represents 20 elite universities, said: "A deep recession is not the time to be introducing a complicated new 'tax'. The most pressing need for universities is to maintain their income in order to maintain standards of teaching and research. And in the current climate it would surely be the wrong option for a Government to sacrifice billions of pounds in student loans repayments for the sake of savings in 20 years time?"

A spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: "With record numbers going to university there is no evidence to suggest that tuition fees have deterred people from higher education. Students are supported through generous Government loans and grants as well as the bursaries universities offer.

“The Government made a commitment to Parliament that an independent review of fees would take place once the first cohort of students paying variable fees had finished their degrees. It would not be right to comment on fees in advance of this review.â€

What about the funding gap when this plan is instituted.

Let's face it, higher education is a luxury, and all luxuries should be taxed.

I would place a bigger levy on it, as education in Britain has become a matter of money and not rewarding academic excellence. There are exceptions of course....

But for the most part our government wants you to have their bog roll degrees in exchange for your financial future and dependence on their system.

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Why should students pay at all?

We all need the skills of the higher educated if the UK is not to sink to a third world level.

Since we all benefit from the higher educated, we should all pay for them.

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Why should students pay at all?

We all need the skills of the higher educated if the UK is not to sink to a third world level.

Since we all benefit from the higher educated, we should all pay for them.

We need a working population, with real skills, producing things that people need and want.

Having a nation of delusional tick box graduates from bog roll university does not bode well for our future.

Too many chiefs, not enough indians...that is Labours legacy.

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Students 'should face graduate tax'

What about the funding gap when this plan is instituted.

Let's face it, higher education is a luxury, and all luxuries should be taxed.

I would place a bigger levy on it, as education in Britain has become a matter of money and not rewarding academic excellence. There are exceptions of course....

But for the most part our government wants you to have their bog roll degrees in exchange for your financial future and dependence on their system.

Apart from that being the most stupid thing I have ever read almost anywhere lets have a two second think about the obvious consequences of this tax.

1) Free education and immediate emmigration.

2) People with connections/money/opportunities will no longer go through the sham of bothering to get degrees. Social mobility will decrease, roles into which people from lower class backgrounds entered through the graduate route will get new covert barriers to entry based on fathers friends old (private) school ties.

The NUS are wunch of proto-socialist loons.

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Education should be free for all those who excel, I cannot believe this has come from the NUS, it only goes to show the level that dumbing down has reached in this country. Education at all levels should be funded by the state and the level of funding should be proportional to the level of excellence. Those universities which stick with the Mickey mouse degrees should be left to go to the wall and those which run useful courses (MAPS necessarily included) should be given funding to use for the education of tomorrows leaders. If that means Joe Numbskull has to get a menial job so be it, some of us are academically gifted and some should be cannon fodder.

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For a "knowledge based" Economy that already see's graduates leaving uni with "massive debts" and "unrealistic" pay expectations and starring the dole queue down the nose....Does this make sense?

In a "knowledge based" economy the good old fashioned grant system would be best served by FACTORING Avg salary for someone with a particular degree's Avg salary after being qualified.

Thus lowering the debt burden on those choosing to do degree that the country needs and ditching the pointless degrees that no industry wants.

Saddling students with yet more debt and ever rising housing cost will make the brain drain a torrent.

In a "knowledge based" economy you'd think that would be common sense, but sadly we live in a state where every one is an equal...

On that note should I not be paid the same as David Beckham? I am crap at football, and only marginally better looking? so why should I not be his equal?

Answer = TALENT and talent no matter how much we try to hide from it is an individual quality, genetic in fact, some people are fat, some people are naturally good at sports, some people have charisma, some people are good at maths/English others are good at nothing (or a yet to be discovered talent).

Grants should be re-instated and geared towards driving down the wages of the skills that are needed!

It works that way every where else, Imagine a nation with 45 million media graduates, only a tiny fraction of which have any talent for it?

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Imagine a nation with 45 million media graduates, only a tiny fraction of which have any talent for it?

I almost can, as it is Labours pledge is to put 50% of the population through 'university'.

Madness.

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Students 'should face graduate tax'

Let's face it, higher education is a luxury, and all luxuries should be taxed.

I would place a bigger levy on it, as education in Britain has become a matter of money and not rewarding academic excellence. There are exceptions of course....

But for the most part our government wants you to have their bog roll degrees in exchange for your financial future and dependence on their system.

Serious question - did you got to university? If so, did you benefit from a free university education?

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Serious question - did you got to university? If so, did you benefit from a free university education?

I did in Canada and the UK, and paid for every penny of it, so ram it right up your ar$e.

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Slightly connected.

I was told some figures about A level students in this area a few weeks ago. Apparently whilst numbers going to university are holding up, the proportion going to universities commutable from the family home has increased significantly.

In this area, that isn't a huge number of universities.

So there seems to be a trend of students/their families making decisions to reduce costs from day 1. I would assume this approach would extend to choosing universities with the lowest tuition and top up fees as well.

With an HPC hat on, this must mean a lower demand for student housing in university towns.

With an education hat on - this means fewer students get the chance to learn to be independent at the right age

With a teenagers' parent's hat on - damn.

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Education should be free for all those who excel, I cannot believe this has come from the NUS, it only goes to show the level that dumbing down has reached in this country. Education at all levels should be funded by the state and the level of funding should be proportional to the level of excellence. Those universities which stick with the Mickey mouse degrees should be left to go to the wall and those which run useful courses (MAPS necessarily included) should be given funding to use for the education of tomorrows leaders. If that means Joe Numbskull has to get a menial job so be it, some of us are academically gifted and some should be cannon fodder.

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i retract that if you were being sarcastic

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I did in Canada and the UK, and paid for every penny of it, so ram it right up your ar$e.

a bit sensitive there? I didn't think the question was THAT inflammatory...

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We need a working population, with real skills, producing things that people need and want.

Having a nation of delusional tick box graduates from bog roll university does not bode well for our future.

Too many chiefs, not enough indians...that is Labours legacy.

Try telling that to the guys on the IT outsourcing thread. :lol:

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I almost can, as it is Labours pledge is to put 50% of the population through 'university'.

Madness.

Nail on the head! There are good brickies that don't need to go to Uni to earn a good wage!

Their are good carers (Old fashioned nurses to you/me) that have natural empathy, that don't need to be a supervising "whatever ********" that deserve a good wage.

Their are good receptionists that don't have a GCSE to their name, but are good with dealing with people and making them feel comfortable.

Their are endless numbers of non jobs in the NHS, telling people that DO know how to do their jobs perfectly well getting paid way more money than they should!

Sadly our politicians focus on NOTHING BUT KPI's (Key performance Indicators) which naturally skews people off doing a real job! To meeting their KPI's which pretty much sums up our public services.

Only bad managers rely on KPI's to prove their ability, good managers don't need to!

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i retract that if you were being sarcastic

I wasn't being sarcastic and I don't have my head up my ****, I am academically gifted, some of us are not so why should, with limited resources, they go to university to study media thereby diluting the resources that could be used to train lets say a doctor. I am incapable of tuning an engine but does that mean that someone who is gifted with engines should have to fund thier apprenticeship out of future earnings over and above what we all fund out of taxation. Education seems to be set aside as some form of leprosy for which those who are capable should fund for themselves.

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I did in Canada and the UK, and paid for every penny of it, so ram it right up your ar$e.

Hey cash, out of "being a nosey git" did you do the degree you had a natural talent for?

OR did you pick one you were quite good at but thought might pay the best in the long run?

(Going from Actuary's I have worked with in the past, many would have made great mathmaticians, but poked that in the hole for the 100K p/a wages for working out the Avg age of when people die/how much that costs).

As my argument stems around exactly that point. Re-instate grants for those people that have talent.

If the grant system was based around skills industry needed, would you have chosen a different path?

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I wasn't being sarcastic and I don't have my head up my ****, I am academically gifted, some of us are not so why should, with limited resources, they go to university to study media thereby diluting the resources that could be used to train lets say a doctor. I am incapable of tuning an engine but does that mean that someone who is gifted with engines should have to fund thier apprenticeship out of future earnings over and above what we all fund out of taxation. Education seems to be set aside as some form of leprosy for which those who are capable should fund for themselves.

If you were that academically gifted your punctuation should be better.

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