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It's not what I believe - it's what I believe other's believe. I am not responsible for them.

Their beliefs aren't relevent to the facts.

Are you going to provide me with the cash? Therein lies your answer.

Cash?

You mean the nothing?

Sure - take all you want -

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Their beliefs aren't relevent to the facts.

Their beliefs determine outcomes. Facts are irrelevant. Facts dont feed the kids.

Cash?

You mean the nothing?

Sure - take all you want -

I see - so you cannot provide me with anything that was produced by the central bank?

Edited by Alan B'Stard MP

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Their beliefs determine outcomes. Facts are irrelevant. Facts dont feed the kids.

This is a discussion about facts. If you aren't interested, off you pop.

An analogy would be this

I have asked for proof of god, and you have told me that people pray in special buildings called churches. When i ask you how this is proof of god, you say it doesn't matter because they still pray.

While this might be true in itself it is completely irrelevent to the facts of whether there is a god or not.

And if you think it isn't important, you are of course quite wrong. Mistaken assumptions eventually fail, which means that behaviour changes. Once a truth is known, no one goes back to falsehood.

I see - so you cannot provide me with anything that was produced by the central bank?

Central banks produce promissory notes to nothing.

I can produce nothing all day long. (Obvious joke goes here.)

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This is a discussion about facts. If you aren't interested, off you pop.

No its not. It's you defending a statement which was incorrect and suggested you agree with the use of coercion and violence to pay your debts.

Central banks produce promissory notes to nothing.

I can produce nothing all day long. (Obvious joke goes here.)

Okay. So you admit you cannot provide notes 'produced' at the central bank.

In the same way I cannot steal a television 'owned' by injin because I don't know where he lives.

Thanks for clearing up how utterly useless your money is.

Edited by Alan B'Stard MP

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No its not. It's you defending a statement which was incorrect and suggested you agree with the use of coercion and violence to pay your debts.

no clue what this means.

Can you flesh it out a bit?

Okay. So you admit you cannot provide notes 'produced' at the central bank.

In the same way I cannot steal a television 'owned' by injin because I don't know where he lives.

Thanks for clearing up how utterly useless your money is.

At no point did I say you can't find people to accept central bank notes. Such a position would be absurd.

I just said there is no factual difference between one mans promise to nothing and mine.

(btw, most commercial banks have accepted my promissory notes at one time or other.)

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no clue what this means.

Can you flesh it out a bit?

read the thread

I just said there is no factual difference between one mans promise to nothing and mine.

So? Who cares. Money is about belief. You have already shown that my beliefs were well founded and I made a pretty good guess at to what would actually occur.

Whatever its failings I can still buy the kids supper with the mainstream money. They'd be going hungry if I relied on your money. These are the realities that people have to deal with.

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read the thread

I have tread the thread.

I have no idea what you are on about.

So? Who cares. Money is about belief. You have already shown that my beliefs were well founded and I made a pretty good guess at to what would actually occur.

Whatever its failings I can still buy the kids supper with the mainstream money.

Yeah, sure.

Never said you couldn't.

Once more - this is a discussion about facts, If you aren't interested in the facts then don't join in.

lots of people believe rubbish. I got it. Well done captain obvious for that amazing insight.

Why do they believe rubbish?

What's the difference?

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Ok, just in case there is some confusion -

What item are you referring to?

Any item you want

But for convenience, lets say gold...

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Yes.

You pretend to believe in all sorts of rubbish 9god, credit) etc

You are only fooling yourself.

?? I am pretending to believe in god?

Injin - It must be time for your medication. If you can medicate for NPD.

Where have I said I believe in god? As for 'believing in credit' - what does that mean? Do I believe that I can spend 'credit', yep, can do. Have done. What was your point?

Maybe you should just feck off to a collapsed state where you can try and survive living by your ideals.

Youd be back in a week crying like a girl. :lol:

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I have tread the thread.

You said you can pay your debts with injin dollars. Fraid not. You cant pay any debt without consent. Your opinion counts for nothing.

Yeah, sure.

Never said you couldn't.

Once more - this is a discussion about facts, If you aren't interested in the facts then don't join in.

********. Beliefs count more in human interactions than facts. Facts are irrelevant.

lots of people believe rubbish. I got it. Well done captain obvious for that amazing insight.

Tell that to a single mum with four mouths to feed.

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Any item you want

But for convenience, lets say gold...

Ok.

So now explain to me what you are on about, using whatever it is you like (gold if you must)

Ta.

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You said you can pay your debts with injin dollars. Fraid not. You cant pay any debt without consent. Your opinion counts for nothing.

Did I?

Where?

********. Beliefs count more in human interactions than facts. Facts are irrelevant.

Sure, I can accept this.

However, right here in this discussion (in fact in all discussion I have) I am talking factually.

If you don't like it, bugger off.

Facts are superior to all opinions, btw. This is another fact.

Tell that to a single mum with four mouths to feed.

Desperate people will put up with lunacy in order to get fed.

Well known fact. Anything else you'd like to shine that amazing insight of yours at?

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Ok.

So now explain to me what you are on about, using whatever it is you like (gold if you must)

Ta.

You asked me what the item is, I answered

Now, you tell me what the implications are of the item being gold.

That's the trouble with being cryptic.

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You asked me what the item is, I answered

Now, you tell me what the implications are of the item being gold.

That's the trouble with being cryptic.

Ok sure.

If payment is in gold, then payments have to be in gold.

You have to actually have the gold to hand, own it outright and actually hand it over to make payments.

Just saying you will doesn't cut it. Accountancy doesn't cut it.

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Did I?

Where?

Sure, I can accept this.

However, right here in this discussion (in fact in all discussion I have) I am talking factually.

If you don't like it, bugger off.

Facts are superior to all opinions, btw. This is another fact.

Desperate people will put up with lunacy in order to get fed.

Well known fact. Anything else you'd like to shine that amazing insight of yours at?

You're full of shit.

You think facts matter solely - that beliefs are irrelevant.

Yet on a different thread you will claim ownership on a television - and get most defensive when I suggest a bailiff will come and collect it.

Ownership is a 'belief' - of you and of others to you.

Freeze frame the universe and show me the fact that says you own that tele.

You cant - because there is none. There is no ownership particle. It a fantasy in your mind - of the past.

Then you try to hoist 'facts' as the great shower of truth in the world.

Yet you indulge in such hypocrisy.

Edited by Alan B'Stard MP

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Ok sure.

If payment is in gold, then payments have to be in gold.

You have to actually have the gold to hand, own it outright and actually hand it over to make payments.

Just saying you will doesn't cut it. Accountancy doesn't cut it.

These types of deals and arrangments are made all the time by everyone

What objective mark of 'cuttiing it', does this fail to measure up to?

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You're full of shit.

You think facts matter solely - that beliefs are irrelevant.

Yet on a different thread you will claim ownership on a television - and get most defensive when I suggest a bailiff will come and collect it.

Ownership is a 'belief' - of you and of others to you.

Freeze frame the universe and show me the fact that says you own that tele.

You cant - because there is none. There is no ownership particle. It a fantasy in your mind - of the past.

Then you try to hoist 'facts' as the great shower of truth in the world.

Yet you indulge in such hypocrisy.

This wouldn't be like the hypocrisy of repeatedly telling me the fact that people don't always operate on facts means facts aren't relevent, would it?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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This wouldn't be like the hypocrisy of repeatedly telling me the fact that people don't always operate on facts means facts aren't relevent, would it?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah whatever

doesn't change your hypocrisy does it?

Glad you agree that ownership is just a belief.

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These types of deals and arrangments are made all the time by everyone

What objective mark of 'cuttiing it', does this fail to measure up to?

I contract with you to give Dave 5 gold pieces.

You go to Dave and offer him a bucket of fisheads instead of the gold.

Dave accepts.

I now owe you nothing. You haven't done what we contracted to do. To make you whole if there is a problem, you only need a bucket of fishheads, not gold.

Banks work like the above, but after giving fisheads they want and insist upon gold.

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Yeah whatever

doesn't change your hypocrisy does it?

Glad you agree that ownership is just a belief.

Of course it is.

There is a factual basis for it though.:)

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Of course it is.

There is a factual basis for it though.:)

No there isn't.

You cannot show me ownership.

You and others can only believe it.

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You think facts matter solely - that beliefs are irrelevant.

I think you are chasing him up the wrong tree here - it is not an argument between facts and beliefs

Injin wants to cherry pick his facts

Injin is a fact

His credit note is a fact

That his note is different (discernable) from another is fact

That nobody will accept it as payment is a fact

That they will not accept it as a payment for anything because it is an injin credit note, is a fact

Yet, he keeps asking for a substantial difference in facts rather than beliefs..

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No there isn't.

You cannot show me ownership.

You and others can only believe it.

I can show you a factual basis for ownership, it's really easy.

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I think you are chasing him up the wrong tree here - it is not an argument between facts and beliefs

Injin wants to cherry pick his facts

Injin is a fact

His credit note is a fact

That his note is different (discernable) from another is fact

That nobody will accept it as payment is a fact

That they will not accept it as a payment for anything because it is an injin credit note, is a fact

Yet, he keeps asking for a substantial difference in facts rather than beliefs..

I want the fact that leads peopel to differing beliefs.

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I think you are chasing him up the wrong tree here - it is not an argument between facts and beliefs

Injin wants to cherry pick his facts

Injin is a fact

His credit note is a fact

That his note is different (discernable) from another is fact

That nobody will accept it as payment is a fact

That they will not accept it as a payment for anything because it is an injin credit note, is a fact

Yet, he keeps asking for a substantial difference in facts rather than beliefs..

I agree. He won't though. ;)

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