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Obama Selling Military Secrets To China For Debt Forgiveness?

Monday, June 01, 2009 3:57 PM

istockanalyst

Ran across this article posted in Jumping In Pools. Not sure how credible it is, but allegedly Barack Obama will provide the blueprints for the B-2 stealth bomber to China in exchange for $50 billion in debt relief. According to author Richard Hogarty:

According to the Administration, this proposal will help the United States resolve its debt issues. They point out their belief that the B-2 bomber is "strategically obsolete", according to a source in the White House Press Office. In addition, the source claims that the Chinese would be unable to create their own functioning stealth bomber fleet for "at least eight years."

American allies Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are very wary of the proposal. Koo Syi, a geopolitical analyst from South Korea, points out that this technology could be passed to China's allies. This was the case when Chinese nuclear technology was transferred to Pakistan and North Korea. According to Koo, Obama has rendered US allies' opinions as "irrelevant."

While this proposal is controversial, it is not being presented to Congress, where it could meet with stern opposition. Instead, the State Department has been informed to assisted the Defense Department with the transfer of materials.

A little skeptical here as frankly $50 billion is less than a drop in the bucket of Chinese Treasury holdings which are easily well over $1 trillion. The economic impact of this transaction would be negligible to zero. On the other hand, if this ends up being true, it is quite frightening, as it merely demonstrates, aside from all the scary geo-political considerations, just how bad of a dealmaker our President is.

In other China-related news, Reuters reporting that Tim Geithner's soothing words from his Beijing whirlwind tour that "Chinese assets are very safe," drew loud laughter from the audience.

"Chinese assets are very safe," Geithner said in response to a question after a speech at Peking University, where he studied Chinese as a student in the 1980s.

His answer drew loud laughter from his student audience, reflecting scepticism in China about the wisdom of a developing country accumulating a vast stockpile of foreign reserves instead of spending the money to raise living standards at home.

Alas, laughter is more and more the traditional response when other economies consider the sustainability of the ongoing economic fiasco developing before our eyes (and this author's response to the continued market manipulation).

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewa...ticleid/3251903

If this is true, all I can say is WOW!

If not, it's a great bit of tittle tattle! :lol:

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It's the paint on the B2 that's secret... the design is decades old... it's basically a rehash of the vulcan bomber.

The other stealth planes (F117???) are based on a design published by a russian university professor.

Given how old both designs are they are probably easy to defeat now.... modern computers are more sensetive radar can probably find them.

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It's the paint on the B2 that's secret... the design is decades old... it's basically a rehash of the vulcan bomber.

The other stealth planes (F117???) are based on a design published by a russian university professor.

Given how old both designs are they are probably easy to defeat now.... modern computers are more sensetive radar can probably find them.

Possibly. The article mentions the fact that they are "strategically obsolete". If this is true, I wonder what the Skunkworks replacement looks like? We probably won't be allowed to see it until it's almost obsolete anyway! :lol:

I saw this pretty cool photo recently of a B-2 breaking the sound barrier:

B2_approaching_soundbarrier.jpg

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if china made their own b2 it would fall to pieces just after takeoff

If the secret is in the paint, the US could even sell them unpainted B-2s at a huge markup and not let on! :lol:

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if china made their own b2 it would fall to pieces just after takeoff

People used to say that about Japanese cars...

If the "ufo" watchers in the deserts of southern California, Nevada, and Arizona are to be believed they have some crazy new kit.... jury's out on that one although it would explain some of the US budget deficit :lol:

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People used to say that about Japanese cars...

sure they did , but the the japs started worrying abou quality control and paying higher wages

now the japs make some of the best stuff in the world

china is still at the low quality low wage stage

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People used to say that about Japanese cars...

If the "ufo" watchers in the deserts of southern California, Nevada, and Arizona are to be believed they have some crazy new kit.... jury's out on that one although it would explain some of the US budget deficit :lol:

Funny you should mention that, Obama has just passed the largest ever military budget for black projects:

For black-budget watchers, the FY2010 budget is a revolution. Spending on classified programs and activities is listed as such, by category. Goodbye, 0207424F Evaluation and Analysis Program. So long, 0207248F Special Evaluation Program. These long-running budget lines, with their ever-changing names, have disappeared, along with the chore of wading through the USAF's Operational Systems Development budget, counting what is there and calculating what is missing.

In the R-1 (research and development), P-1 (procurement) and O-1 (operations) budgets for 2010, just over $50 billion is listed for classified programs, the largest-ever sum. The Pentagon's "black" operations, including the intelligence budgets nested inside it, are roughly equal in magnitude to the entire defense budgets of the UK, France or Japan, and 10 per cent of the total.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defen...eStampAscending

50 billion this year! :blink: No wonder people are seeing crazy shit in the skies over Nevada and Arizona!

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sure they did , but the the japs started worrying abou quality control and paying higher wages

now the japs make some of the best stuff in the world

china is still at the low quality low wage stage

+1

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Funny you should mention that, Obama has just passed the largest ever military budget for black projects:

:ph34r::)

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defen...eStampAscending

50 billion this year! :blink: No wonder people are seeing crazy shit in the skies over Nevada and Arizona!

Exactly... It really does make the mind boggle at what they might have now when, as mentioned earlier in the thread, you look at the age of the current stealth craft.

... and added to the fact they are happy to sell it to the Chinese

Edited by Bubble&Squeak

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Exactly... It really does make the mind boggle at what they might have now when, as mentioned earlier in the thread, you look at the age of the current stealth craft.

... and added to the fact they are happy to sell it to the Chinese

Maybe they have something more advanced, or maybe they are a spent force. There are a variety of aeronautical triumphs of the past that have not been surpassed, and which cannot even be matched right now, to name a few, Concorde, Apollo going to the moon, the SR71, the XB70 Valkarie and the various very fast high Mach planes they had in the 60s. Plane technology is not improving at a fast rate, it is unlikely they have anything that is fundamentally different from what has gone before.

Edited by Della

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Presumably these 'stealth bomber blueprints' would be sent in an empty envelope?

I see what you did there! :lol:

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Maybe they have something more advanced, or maybe they are a spent force. There are a variety of aeronautical triumphs of the past that have not been surpassed, and which cannot even be matched right now, to name a few, Concorde, Apollo going to the moon, the SR71, the XB70 Valkarie and the various very fast high Mach planes they had in the 60s. Plane technology is not improving at a fast rate, it is unlikely they have anything that is fundamentally different from what has gone before.

How do you explain the spectacular sightings over the desert testing areas of the US then? I doubt they are spending a $50,000,000,000 black budget on conventional aircraft this year?

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How do you explain the spectacular sightings over the desert testing areas of the US then? I doubt they are spending a $50,000,000,000 black budget on conventional aircraft this year?

Over active imagination? A desire to see their government as a God, whether that be as a good God or a bad God?

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What I love about so called stealth technology is the huge costs. Billions to develop and build and then the UK simply knock together a new radar for a few million and it's all visible again. That's what happened last time, hilarious stuff. :P:P

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How do you explain the spectacular sightings over the desert testing areas of the US then? I doubt they are spending a $50,000,000,000 black budget on conventional aircraft this year?

Spectacular sightings???

Doesnt sound very stealthy to me.

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These are just R&D departments, just because they have R&D departments and spend a lot of money on them, that doesn't mean they will get utterly transformative results.

For example, will they (as happens with computers) create a plane that is twice as fast in 18 months? And then repeat the trick? No they won't, planes actually seem to be slowing down, there's different ideas of techniques that could do exciting stuff, but most of it requires too much energy, or would cause problems in other areas, and as such is impractical.

What the US seems to be concentrating on right now is creating remote control and robotic autonomous planes with rather pedestrian performance characteristics.

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Spectacular sightings???

Doesnt sound very stealthy to me.

:lol: classic

Stealth planes are electronically/electromagnetically stealthy but are visible (for the time being)

Invisible tanks

Maybe they have something more advanced, or maybe they are a spent force. There are a variety of aeronautical triumphs of the past that have not been surpassed, and which cannot even be matched right now, to name a few, Concorde, Apollo going to the moon, the SR71, the XB70 Valkarie and the various very fast high Mach planes they had in the 60s. Plane technology is not improving at a fast rate,

This is because they hit up on the physical limits of the technology and the physiology of the human pilot

The next developments, if they come, will be large and will possibly find some way around these limitations. It would explain the amount of time it has taken for the next step and the immense cost

it is unlikely they have anything that is fundamentally different from what has gone before.

It will have to be to get around the fundamental limitations of pushing a big lump of metal through a fluid

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What I love about so called stealth technology is the huge costs. Billions to develop and build and then the UK simply knock together a new radar for a few million and it's all visible again. That's what happened last time, hilarious stuff. :P:P

The Russians didn't even do that. They retuned there old kit. Ping!, there it is!

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it's basically a rehash of the vulcan bomber.

oh dear. I'll bear in mind not to believe anything you ever say again.

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Possibly. The article mentions the fact that they are "strategically obsolete". If this is true, I wonder what the Skunkworks replacement looks like? We probably won't be allowed to see it until it's almost obsolete anyway! :lol:

I saw this pretty cool photo recently of a B-2 breaking the sound barrier:

B2_approaching_soundbarrier.jpg

Sorry to be a pedant, but the B2 is not supersonic. Max speed is around M 0.8. Whaty you are witnessing is localised supersonic flow. You can have air travelling over such shapes above the speed of sound well before the jet goes supersonic.

BTW, (according to Wiki :rolleyes: ) Stealth aircraft are not stealthy across the whole RF spectrum. Its about knowing which frequencies to use.

One F-117 has been lost in combat, to the Yugoslav Army. On 27 March 1999, during the Kosovo War, the 3rd Battalion of the 250th Air Defence Missile Brigade under the command of Colonel Zoltán Dani[34], equipped with the Isayev S-125 'Neva' (NATO designation SA-3 'Goa') anti-aircraft missile system, downed a F-117A callsign "Vega 31," AF Serial Number 82-0806, with a Serbian improved Neva-M missile.[35][36] According to NATO Commander Wesley Clark and other NATO generals, Yugoslav air defences detected F-117s by operating their radars on unusually long wavelengths, making them visible to radar for brief periods.
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