andykn Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Our investment is out of London and out of the UK.I would be interested in finding out the demographics of those leaving the UK (if these figures exist somewhere) and if it is similar to what I am witnessing on the ground. A mass youth exodus. Good, because from my London centric point of view, half the problem in the past has been a mass youth influx into London. About half my London based friends over the last 20 years have been from the North or Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonBrownSpentMyFuture Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I can't say I blame you. I hope it all works out for you both! The amount you've saved now is the target we hope to achieve come 2011/2012 when we aim to buy, get married and start a family. If house prices aren't affordable by then (3.5x average) and there has been no indication of financial or political reform/change in this country for the better then we may very well emigrate too (girlf is Canadian so probably head there). There are many things that seriously need to change in this country following the credit bubble of the last decade, the financial collapse and the exposed VI of our MPs and if these changes aren't implemented by 2011/2012 then I doubt they ever will be and I'm certainly not going to wait forever. I appreciate we don't have it THAT bad compared with, say, our grandparent's generation: they were, after all, living through a world war at our age - but at least then everyone was in the same boat and had a sense of unity. It's quite clear how this country now operates. There's one boat: you're either on it or you "missed it" and that's the way they want it to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 If people want to leave the UK, that's OK, but stop pretending that everywhere abroad is somehow a magical land of opportunity - it isn't. It's the local youth who will suffer when the p*ssed off Brits arrive and drive up house prices, colonise the local bars while refusing to learn the language etc. That's the problem with some of this whiny generation. They think they are something special. They need to come to terms with their mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 If I spoke Swedish I'd be off to Sweden asafp. As it is I don't speak nowt but English. I do ponder Canada a bit but enh, it doesn't really appeal. I might end up in Sweden regardless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshmonsta Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 Think everywhere will have serious problems in the next few years. This isn't about how "good" or "bad" the UK is, it's about leveraging what assets you have to get a better lifestyle.i.e. it's selfishness - a cheap lifestyle in other people's misery. If people want to leave the UK, that's OK, but stop pretending that everywhere abroad is somehow a magical land of opportunity - it isn't. It's the local youth who will suffer when the p*ssed off Brits arrive and drive up house prices, colonise the local bars while refusing to learn the language etc. This does have a ring of truth to it. However, my boyfreind already has family over there, and I would never dream of going anywhere to colonise it. nor would I refuse to learn the language. Being half foreigh myself, and seeing how that kind of behaviour pisses me off anyway in ANY country by ANY national I doubt I would submit to that. In leaving the UK I would be full agreeing to live by another countries standards. I'd also hate to think that I'm driving up their own house prices (though I believe that Polish property is also going through a boom). I'd hate to expoert everything I hate about the UK to another country. For this reason we will not buy until we are well settled and I can speak the language enough to get by well (so at least 3years). We are lucky in the fact that we already have somewhere to move to and some kind of support network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedup Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I would be interested in finding out the demographics of those leaving the UK (if these figures exist somewhere) and if it is similar to what I am witnessing on the ground. A mass youth exodus. I am 28 and have one year left until my girlfriend finishes her degree (she is 22), and then we are planning on leaving also But why will anywhere else be better? Much more space, lack of queues, lack of congestion, bigger houses, true wilderness, lack of CCTV/DNA taking/ID Cards/Databases. The econonmic problems the UK has at the minute are quite low down the list of my concerns. Perhaps i'm lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piece of paper Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I work 'remotely' most of the time anyway. So long as I move to a place with good airport links with London and good broadband, I'm fine. Choose somewhere with a much lower cost of living and you're sorted! And LOWER taxes! If you get the opp to work remotely, would you choose Cadiz, Chartres, Cracow, Cardiff or Chelmsford? Do you actually do it though? I've been looking at this for a long time and the proportion of overseas clients is increasing. It is an attractive proposition. What are the downsides? p-o-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonToManchester Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 DO NOT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT!! I'm part of the demographic you talk about I am 28. Non of my friends uni graduates have left the UK apart from 1 who went to spain. Most of them are also on the property ladder. when you get a 2:2 in a shit degree what do you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 This does have a ring of truth to it.However, my boyfreind already has family over there, and I would never dream of going anywhere to colonise it. nor would I refuse to learn the language. Being half foreigh myself, and seeing how that kind of behaviour pisses me off anyway in ANY country by ANY national I doubt I would submit to that. In leaving the UK I would be full agreeing to live by another countries standards. I'd also hate to think that I'm driving up their own house prices (though I believe that Polish property is also going through a boom). I'd hate to expoert everything I hate about the UK to another country. For this reason we will not buy until we are well settled and I can speak the language enough to get by well (so at least 3years). We are lucky in the fact that we already have somewhere to move to and some kind of support network. Fair enough. I just wish that when people came out with all this cr@p about leaving the UK they would just be honest and say "I'm doing it because I selfishly want a better lifestyle with my high-value Pounds Sterling" rather than a lot of absurd hyperbole running the UK down as though it is North Korea with high house prices. People leave the UK for their own selfish financial good. Not as part of some noble self-sacrifice, as they would like you to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'd hate to expoert everything I hate about the UK to another country. I'm quite happy to have some of the things I dislike about the UK exported to Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedup Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 People leave the UK for their own selfish financial good. Not as part of some noble self-sacrifice, as they would like you to believe. Life isn't all about monetary wealth. I put much higher emphasis on quality of life, so I guess I am leaving the UK for my own, selfish, quality of life expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) If I spoke Swedish I'd be off to Sweden asafp.As it is I don't speak nowt but English. I do ponder Canada a bit but enh, it doesn't really appeal. I might end up in Sweden regardless... IMO - don't do it! I lived there for 21 years, and I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there! The things I really hated about Sweden: * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * Lack of employment opportunities in IT. E.g. the county I come from had two linux jobs advertised last time I looked (two months back) - no good for me! * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * Smug Swedes who think they're oh-so-great * "reverse-snobbery" - "who does he think he is buying xxxx", "who does he think he is doing xxxxx for a living" etc etc * and finally, the sodding, f-in weather in spring, autumn and winter (9 months out of the year) I've lived in the UK for 8 years now, and I'd gladly leave for almost anywhere else, but no way am ever going back to that socialist shit hole. Edit: Go to finland instead, at least they have proper weather Edited June 4, 2009 by Henrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Yep, but it's not just money. I was on well over £100k in the UK. So what? What the hell do I need all that for? It's about living life . . . . now. I still earn enough to live comfortably, I really don't need any more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DissipatedYouthIsValuable Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 When did the young become so dreary? When they started having £20k of debt before they started work, piss poor starting salaries, house prices way in excess of any sensible multiple, no final salary pension schemes, see most of the uneducated breeders be handed everything, constant work micromanagement by grinning faced managers whose only remit is to ****** you over paying less and making you do more, ******** terror propaganda and bombings probably set up by their own government, and not being able to protest without being thugged by some spastic 3 GCSE thinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Life isn't all about monetary wealth. I put much higher emphasis on quality of life, so I guess I am leaving the UK for my own, selfish, quality of life expectations. Yes but you need the additional purchasing power your pounds sterling give you to enjoy this quality. And (depending where you are going) this may not be available to the locals. Essentially, many Brits emigrate to climb up the class structure. Though they'd never admit this, of course..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 IMO - don't do it! I lived there for 21 years, and I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there!The things I really hated about Sweden: * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * Lack of employment opportunities in IT. E.g. the county I come from had two linux jobs advertised last time I looked (two months back) - no good for me! * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * the sodding winters and miserable weather in autumn / spring * Smug Swedes who think they're oh-so-great * "reverse-snobbery" - "who does he think he is buying xxxx", "who does he think he is doing xxxxx for a living" etc etc * and finally, the sodding, f-in weather in spring, autumn and winter (9 months out of the year) I've lived in the UK for 8 years now, and I'd gladly leave for almost anywhere else, but no way am ever going back to that socialist shit hole. Come on don't burst the bubble. Fabulous people should live in fabulous Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 When they started having £20k of debt before they started work, piss poor starting salaries, house prices way in excess of any sensible multiple, no final salary pension schemes, see most of the uneducated breeders be handed everything, constant work micromanagement by grinning faced managers whose only remit is to ****** you over paying less and making you do more, ******** terror propaganda and bombings probably set up by their own government, and not being able to protest without being thugged by some spastic 3 GCSE thinker. Stop moaning. Use paragraphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Twin Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 DO NOT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT!!I'm part of the demographic you talk about I am 28. Non of my friends uni graduates have left the UK apart from 1 who went to spain. Most of them are also on the property ladder. when you get a 2:2 in a shit degree what do you expect? What a nice young man. Your mum must be so proud she shat out someone who grew up to be such a fine upstanding person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 What a nice young man. Your mum must be so proud she shat out someone who grew up to be such a fine upstanding person. +1, ST. Really isn't necessary to be abusive on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 When they started having £20k of debt before they started work, piss poor starting salaries, house prices way in excess of any sensible multiple, no final salary pension schemes, see most of the uneducated breeders be handed everything, constant work micromanagement by grinning faced managers whose only remit is to ****** you over paying less and making you do more, ******** terror propaganda and bombings probably set up by their own government, and not being able to protest without being thugged by some spastic 3 GCSE thinker. Doc, who forced them to leave university with £20K debt? Who forced them into university in the first place? If earnings / house prices are out of kilter, they will correct. If some still can't afford a place of their own, I'm afraid that's hard luck. Generations before didn't really have everything handed to them on a plate. As for the rest of what you said, I can't disagree with you. However, if you don't like it organize yourselves and change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzly bear Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 DO NOT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT!!I'm part of the demographic you talk about I am 28. Non of my friends uni graduates have left the UK apart from 1 who went to spain. Most of them are also on the property ladder. when you get a 2:2 in a shit degree what do you expect? for those who are 5 years younger, eg 23 finishing uni now with student debt, much more limited job options and house prices still very high, it'll be tough even for those with good degrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Come on don't burst the bubble. Fabulous people should live in fabulous Sweden. Having said that, one of my best friends moved from England to Sweden, and he absolutely loves it over there. Massive house for what seems like a pittance compared to the UK, no crazy hours in the office etc. Granted, he doesn't earn half of what I earnt last year, but he's loving it over there. Your mileage may vary, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 What a nice young man. Your mum must be so proud she shat out someone who grew up to be such a fine upstanding person. I don't think the reproductive process works that way, but feel free to keep trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshmonsta Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Fair enough.I just wish that when people came out with all this cr@p about leaving the UK they would just be honest and say "I'm doing it because I selfishly want a better lifestyle with my high-value Pounds Sterling" rather than a lot of absurd hyperbole running the UK down as though it is North Korea with high house prices. People leave the UK for their own selfish financial good. Not as part of some noble self-sacrifice, as they would like you to believe. I don't think people always leave for financial purposes. Finances are part of the reason, but other reasons include a sense of culture (and one that I understand most importantly), a sense of community, a more relaxed lifestyle. Somewhere on the thread I said that the standard of living to wage ratio anywhere abroad is generally lower; that doesn't bother me so much, as long as the majority of people live at the same standard and there isn't the gaping gap between the haves and have-nots, as is becomming more and more apparent in the UK. I think should I have no savings I would be even more inclined to leave -although it makes the situation less secure. People generally always do things selfishly. I know that I am looking for a better life (and by better life I don't mean I want to be stinking rich), personally I always live by the rule that I treat others I would like to be treated myself. So I'd hope that any impact I make is minimal to the native community. It would also be a great oppotunity for me to learn another language (another selfish gain I suppose). While the UK isn't North Korea, it certainly isn't perfect; and I really do think that it should address it's youth policey (if indeed it has one), I certianly don't think comments like "whinging youth", or "don't hit your **** on the way out" are a helpful addition to what I feel may become a serioius issue in the future. I also believe that the people making these comments are the "haves" and generally couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves as is evident by sweeping statements with very little fact to back themup like "crap degrees". I'm sure the derogatory term "media studies" will rear it's ugly head somewhere. If this genuinely is the start of a mass youth exodus (and from what I am seeing through my circles- it is) then it may be a time to start genuinley debating new youth and young adult polices. Edited June 4, 2009 by moshmonsta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonToManchester Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 +1, ST.Really isn't necessary to be abusive on this board. I get tired of these silly winging posts the UK is one of the best places to live in the world! There are people attempting to swim over the channel to get here! If you can't make yourself a good life with all the Opportunities the UK offers what makes you think you will do better anywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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