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The Labour part will have rebuild itself.

Working people need to get involved at a local grass roots level again and take back the party from the

middle class career politicians.

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The Labour part will have rebuild itself.

Working people need to get involved at a local grass roots level again and take back the party from the

middle class career politicians.

You don't seriously think ordinary people have a say do you?

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We've all that mainly at the hands of the lobby system and votes for favours. The election bit is a bit of a sham.

Personally I favor the Swiss system of democracy over our failed system. The Swiss get to vote by canton each and every law proposed! Oh and they can also smoke pot legally too ;)

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You don't seriously think ordinary people have a say do you?

Well thats the theory.

Governments are meant to be a selection of the great and good that are meant to lead the rest of us into the promised land.

Not feather their nests with money filched from the people they are meant to look out for whilst leading them into another great depression.

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Well thats the theory.

Governments are meant to be a selection of the great and good that are meant to lead the rest of us into the promised land.

Not feather their nests with money filched from the people they are meant to look out for whilst leading them into another great depression.

Agreed, and guess what..................... they are human self interested controlling scum

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They are also talking about bringing in PR so the Conservatives can't win an outright majority.

I wondered about this. It is probably the only way they could guarantee a continued presence.

Though probably fairer than the current fiddled boundaries, it would be seen as very cynical pre-election move.

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The same fate could befall the Labour Party, reducing it to 3rd or even 4th party status, behind UKIP.

That bit kind of strains credibility. ;)

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During the eighties and nineties, the capitalists persuaded everyone that what was in their interest was in everyone's interest. All real politics ended.

The current ideology of the labour party is a weird mix of support for the land-owners and capitialists, identity politics (to distract the old left) and authoritarianism. Its very sad, because all the traditional institutions that gave some power back to ordinary people, however flawed they were, are now gone or irrelevant.

The idea that we don't need them anymore is rubbish. Just because you work in an office, just because you have a mortgage and went to university, it doesn't mean that you aren't working class. One of Tony Blair's greatest tricks was to pursuade people that they were all middle class now, whilst at the same time destroying the middle class. How many children of teachers and doctors are now working in call centres to pay off their student debts, and pay the rent on their flat in what used to be seen as a 'poor area'? The original working class has been largely replaced with a benefit dependent underclass.

The worst possible political situation is when one interest group, backed by one ideology, retains all the power and uses it soley in their own interests. This is what we have now.

the capitalists arent in charge

big business and bankers are in charge we have a sort of fascist business state and that is the problem

the party politcial system encourages this - by restricting choice, encouraging cronyism, dogma and lobbying.

bankers are the drug pushers and debt is the drug that most have become addicted too

not to worry the debt burden has reached its limit and now comes crashing down - either by the biggest deflationary bust the world has seen or (more likely) the destruction of the currency due to governments continuing to spend money they havent got

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The Labour part will have rebuild itself.

Working people need to get involved at a local grass roots level again and take back the party from the

middle class career politicians.

I work. Am I working people? I think that term is used far too nostalgically, and is the point of the original post. These are all old ways of thinking which should be consigned to the skip - they are no longer relevant. All the class struggle invective is equivalent to liking steam engines or old cars - they don't make 'em like that any more.

Too many people (working or not) are far too comfortable and cushioned to bother with politics. That's the problem

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For them to insist that the last 10 years was the 'nice' decade sums it up really because personally I think its been hell under this hopeless government.

I agree.

The last 10 years were also the enslavement by stealth years and now they say future years are going to be even worse than that. In other words people will realise their enslavement.

They truly have a lot to answer for.

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