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How the Labour party rules protect Gordon

How the Labour party rules protect Gordon

Here is Section D, subsection ii) of the Labour party rules:

"Timing of an Election [for party leader]

When the Parliamentary Labour Party is in Government and leader and deputy leader are in the Cabinet, an election shall proceed only if requested by a majority of party conference on a card vote"

Given the party conference isn't until September, that would require a special party conference - and that can only be convened by the ruling NEC. The NEC is packed with people loyal to G Brown and so rebels can only dream they would convene such a conference.

It's true that the rules are more favourable to the rebels once a vacancy arises. But if Gordon says sod off to the rebel MPs, then there's nothing they can do about it.

Of course, as with IDS and with Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell, it's not the rules that trigger the ousting of a leader. It's the draining away of support from allies. Lets see if that happens....

He isn't leaving, not unless he's had a spiritual awakening...but his "Presbeterian concious" is as altruistic as Hitler was a Catholic.

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Of course, as with IDS and with Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell, it's not the rules that trigger the ousting of a leader. It's the draining away of support from allies. Lets see if that happens....

Oooh, the buggers. Here was I about to post something about party leadership being something that's granted by more than just a voting process, and the bugger's already mentioned it.

Suffice to say, if enough Labour MPs decide they don't want him around and (crucially) make their opinions public, he'll be in a seriously awkward position. If those dissenting voices can get together to present something akin to a united front, then I think he'll be out over the summer with a new leader elected at the Autumn conference (which is effectively the only time they can do it).

Suffice to say, we'll know within the month.

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It is not just the cabinet rebelling now. The breaking news on the BBC is from an MP saying that Gordos great YouTube video massively angered the PLP.

Anger the cabinet you have a problem anger the PLP you get a visit from a grandee and told to go.

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Suffice to say, if enough Labour MPs decide they don't want him around and (crucially) make their opinions public, he'll be in a seriously awkward position.

No. He wont. The only way to get him out would be with a vote of no confidence forcing a general elections, which many labours MPs would lose their seat in.

TURKEYS DON'T VOTE FOR CHRISTMAS.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/a...1X8b1v6zSvrOOuw

34 minutes ago

One former minister said there was "huge" desire in the party for a change of leadership, but MPs were waiting to see whether a "heavyweight" challenger would come forward. Another backbencher suggested there could be an impromptu vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister when the Parliamentary Labour Party meets on Monday.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/james_kirkup/...ry_labour_party

Others wanted to know exactly what powers the PLP and Labour's "star chamber" have over those caught out over their exes. I wonder why they were asking that?

Miss Harman was left to offer some crumbs of comfort, telling members in best matronly terms about the pastoral care and support available from the Labour machine. "We can get through this. It is going to be tough," she said.

Labour officials later briefed hacks that she'd told MPs to have "iron in their souls." They didn't mention the muttering and shaking of heads that greeted this suggestion.

"It's all coming apart," said one former minister afterwards. Another predicted that MPs' mood of "incoherent fear and anger" will crystallise in a "revolution" against Gordon Brown after this week's elections. All expect next Monday's PLP session to be explosive.

Let's not forget since the two Labour peers who were suspended for taking cash, or the Speaker being kicked out, first time in 300 years.

They can get rid of Brown if need be.

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No. He wont. The only way to get him out would be with a vote of no confidence forcing a general elections, which many labours MPs would lose their seat in.

TURKEYS DON'T VOTE FOR CHRISTMAS.

Nah, they can get shot of him without the need for a GE. They just need a leadership election, which they will get if enough of them stand up. All that's needed is a decent sized group of Labour MPs to get sufficiently organised and it'll happen, timed for the conference season.

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Nah, they can get shot of him without the need for a GE. They just need a leadership election, which they will get if enough of them stand up. All that's needed is a decent sized group of Labour MPs to get sufficiently organised and it'll happen, timed for the conference season.

That makes me think if they made an announcement saying there was going to be a leadership change and in the same announcement set a date for the general election

6 months away that would satisfy the public, Labour and the opposition to give time to prepare the campaign.

Edited by Tom Peters

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I don't think Labour can get away with two unelected PM's. Whoever takes over will have to go to the country fast.

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