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Ukip Believes Climate Change A Hoax

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I would have thought Kilroy-Silk's tan was a sign of global warming :o

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I like many others on here, am concerned about climate change, so very interested in looking at each of the party's policies on this issue.

I was shocked to learn UKIPs view:

http://www.ukip.org/content/features/552-c...ant-you-to-hear

Their views come directly from The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change. By the International Climate Science Coalition.

This organisation lists all the people on their Science and Policy board:

http://www.climatescienceinternational.org...5&Itemid=28

All of these people listed again by Exxonsrcrets. You can click on each of their names and see other organisations they are involved with. They ALL are funded by EXXONMOBIL

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=147

I was just shocked to see this view from the party, and didn't want anyone else to make the mistake of voting for a party who might have extremely conflicting views to yourself.

This post isn't meant to be another argument, just an awareness thing.

Kara Gee

What are you so shocked about

Man made global warming is one of the biggest porkies ever told

It's all about control and just another way to levy taxes against people.

If you look at long term fluctuations in global temperature, their is no long term warming trend. The world has been getting cooler for the last 5 years. Global warming is bull$hit.

What isn't in doubt is that there are too many people on the planet and resources are finite

Global warming is just a myth perpetrated by scumbags like Al Gore to make sure they get to keep their bourgeois, champagne socialist utopia and plenty of space on the road for their Volvos while the rest of us are taxed into oblivion and forced to live as paupers. Global warming is the biggest myth since socialists claimed they supported the ordinary working folks.

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Are you sure some of it is not a hoax ?

Last time i went to the beach i could not see the tide being higher and for this time of years it's not so warm dontyathink

and we are build coal power stations and flying all over the place.

Could it just be Brown & Co are only paying grants to sientists who toe the party line so he can put taxes up.

i'm not saying i know your wrong but i would be a little less sure and with the mejai, police, GCHQ watching the likes of the BNP and UKIP 24/7 i'm sure they will find something now and then to talk about.

i'm voting BNP but would vote UKIP long before i'll vote for any of the 3 main parties

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I'm going to regret this, but what the hell....

So are you saying there is no climate change at all? Or just that humans aren't to blame?

I think the climate naturally changes, I think it has been warmer than it is now, and colder. I think thats natural, possibly from sun spots.

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Perhaps the reality that Fat Al has improved his personal fortune from $2 million to $100 million on the back of the reality that he owns major shares in a large Carbon Trading Exchange, might just have a tad do with his current campaign.

And this is not the first time of course that Gore has ignored inconvenient facts: like his earlier claim that he "Invented the internet".......................

What increasingly amazes me is how increasing numbers of people actually believe blatant lies, promolgated by propogandists.

But then having studied the works of one Dr. Joseph Goebbals, Reich Minister of Information and Propoganda and his brilliantly successful Big Lie Strategy, I suppose it ought not.

Im sort of at the point where if the government says one thing, I think probably the opposite is actually the truth.

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Im sort of at the point where if the government says one thing, I think probably the opposite is actually the truth.

I prefer to not let them guide my thinking.

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I like many others on here, am concerned about climate change, so very interested in looking at each of the party's policies on this issue.

I was shocked to learn UKIPs view:

http://www.ukip.org/content/features/552-c...ant-you-to-hear

Their views come directly from The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change. By the International Climate Science Coalition.

This organisation lists all the people on their Science and Policy board:

http://www.climatescienceinternational.org...5&Itemid=28

All of these people listed again by Exxonsrcrets. You can click on each of their names and see other organisations they are involved with. They ALL are funded by EXXONMOBIL

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=147

I was just shocked to see this view from the party, and didn't want anyone else to make the mistake of voting for a party who might have extremely conflicting views to yourself.

This post isn't meant to be another argument, just an awareness thing.

Kara Gee

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What's your new avatar holding? Is it a large piece of anorthosite?

No, just a prop made by a very cheeky set designer on the original Star Trek:

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there is no man made climate change, kara. you are being suckered by the government in order to squeeze taxes out of you. just like people were suckered into buying a twenty grand terrace house for one hundred grand so the politicians could flip houses on expenses .

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What are you so shocked about

Man made global warming is one of the biggest porkies ever told

It's all about control and just another way to levy taxes against people.

If you look at long term fluctuations in global temperature, their is no long term warming trend. The world has been getting cooler for the last 5 years. Global warming is bull$hit.

What isn't in doubt is that there are too many people on the planet and resources are finite

Global warming is just a myth perpetrated by scumbags like Al Gore to make sure they get to keep their bourgeois, champagne socialist utopia and plenty of space on the road for their Volvos while the rest of us are taxed into oblivion and forced to live as paupers. Global warming is the biggest myth since socialists claimed they supported the ordinary working folks.

And I sincerely hope YOU are right and the IPCC are wrong!

As I said in my OP, this isn't meant to be another climate argument. Just an awareness post to those like me who are concerned about consequenses of climate change.

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I was just shocked to see this view from the party, and didn't want anyone else to make the mistake of voting for a party who might have extremely conflicting views to yourself.

This post isn't meant to be another argument, just an awareness thing.

Kara Gee

If there really was such a thing as climate change, the answer would not be to raise more taxes or to keep emissions at the same level by trading them. The answer would be a limit on number of children people could have.

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If there really was such a thing as climate change, the answer would not be to raise more taxes or to keep emissions at the same level by trading them. The answer would be a limit on number of children people could have.

I'm going to regret this, but what the hell....

So are you saying there is no climate change at all? Or just that humans aren't to blame?

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What are you so shocked about

Global warming is just a myth perpetrated by scumbags like Al Gore to make sure they get to keep their bourgeois, champagne socialist utopia and plenty of space on the road for their Volvos while the rest of us are taxed into oblivion and forced to live as paupers. Global warming is the biggest myth since socialists claimed they supported the ordinary working folks.

Perhaps the reality that Fat Al has improved his personal fortune from $2 million to $100 million on the back of the reality that he owns major shares in a large Carbon Trading Exchange, might just have a tad do with his current campaign.

And this is not the first time of course that Gore has ignored inconvenient facts: like his earlier claim that he "Invented the internet".......................

What increasingly amazes me is how increasing numbers of people actually believe blatant lies, promolgated by propogandists.

But then having studied the works of one Dr. Joseph Goebbals, Reich Minister of Information and Propoganda and his brilliantly successful Big Lie Strategy, I suppose it ought not.

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I think the climate naturally changes, I think it has been warmer than it is now, and colder. I think thats natural, possibly from sun spots.

So when you say "if there is such a thing as climate change", you mean man made climate change?

Incidentally, to say that you think it is "possibly from sun spots", that suggets you haven't even begun to look at the subject. There are a number of factors, including the composition of the earth's atmosphere and Milankovitch cycles that explain it a lot more than sunspots. Sunspots do very little more than provide short term variation, there are other, much larger factors at work with natural climate change, as the sun is actually quite stable.

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I like many others on here, am concerned about climate change, so very interested in looking at each of the party's policies on this issue.

I was shocked to learn UKIPs view:

http://www.ukip.org/content/features/552-c...ant-you-to-hear

Their views come directly from The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change. By the International Climate Science Coalition.

This organisation lists all the people on their Science and Policy board:

http://www.climatescienceinternational.org...5&Itemid=28

All of these people listed again by Exxonsrcrets. You can click on each of their names and see other organisations they are involved with. They ALL are funded by EXXONMOBIL

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=147

I was just shocked to see this view from the party, and didn't want anyone else to make the mistake of voting for a party who might have extremely conflicting views to yourself.

This post isn't meant to be another argument, just an awareness thing.

Kara Gee

Cheers. I wasn't going to vote for them but it's interesting to know anyway.

I'll be voting Green.

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What are you so shocked about

Man made global warming is one of the biggest porkies ever told

It's all about control and just another way to levy taxes against people.

If you look at long term fluctuations in global temperature, their is no long term warming trend. The world has been getting cooler for the last 5 years. Global warming is bull$hit.

What isn't in doubt is that there are too many people on the planet and resources are finite

Global warming is just a myth perpetrated by scumbags like Al Gore to make sure they get to keep their bourgeois, champagne socialist utopia and plenty of space on the road for their Volvos while the rest of us are taxed into oblivion and forced to live as paupers. Global warming is the biggest myth since socialists claimed they supported the ordinary working folks.

We haven't agreed on much on here but I'm with you on this one. Not sure that I agree that we have too many people, as such, but everything else you say is spot on.

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So when you say "if there is such a thing as climate change", you mean man made climate change?

Incidentally, to say that you think it is "possibly from sun spots", that suggets you haven't even begun to look at the subject. There are a number of factors, including the composition of the earth's atmosphere and Milankovitch cycles that explain it a lot more than sunspots. Sunspots do very little more than provide short term variation, there are other, much larger factors at work with natural climate change, as the sun is actually quite stable.

Well, the erff is flat. Obvious, innit?

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Well, the erff is flat. Obvious, innit?

Just as well the BNP have a different stance on the environment - they want to bury all the power cables :lol::lol:

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I don't think anyone denies the climate is changing, but that's what climates do.

It is indeed getting fractionally COLDER, but there is also evidence to show that in the so called medieval warm period, there were vineyards in Northumberland - so it ebbs and flows.

What is completely bonkers, is the idea that it's all our fault?? - ask most people how much Co2 there is in the atmoshpere, and they'll say something crazy like 20% as the fear's been put into them from the taxers... the reality is that C02 makes up 0.3% (yes , a third of one percent) or the atmosphere, and whilst the ludicrous 'hocky-stick' graph from Mr Gore does look scary, when you look at in in more detail, it shows that Co2 change FOLLOWS an increase in temperature, and IS NOT led by it. So the whole theory about us polluting, and Co2 then growing is completely back-to-front.

One final thing, there is evidence from nasa (though I can't find the link now) that shows the surface of the planet Mars is going through the exact same percentage of temperature changes (both up & down) that the Earth is.... So I ask you this: If Man-made global warming is true - are we selling too many range rovers to the Martians?

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I dont know much at all about the UKIP but having watched a few speeches by Nigel Farage I must say I liked his style and think he is a good public speaker quite nejoyed listening to him actually. I can also see that he is not from the left as he is against nationalism and totalariasm and the AGW guff.

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Yes, becuase 0.3% can't have an effect can it? Do you have any idea what would happen if 0.3% of the molecules in your blood were suddenly made of cyanide?

Erm, are you being a dimwit on purpose? - you're not really saying that Co2 is as dangerous as cyanide are you? We need Co2 to live! - without it all the trees and most vegetation will die, then you will die soon after (though that will hardly be a loss to the scientific community)

So are you saying that in the past, people have burnt more fossil fuels after the temperature increased? Because the CO2 that has been added to the atmosphere recently comes from burning fossil fuels, we can tell this from isotope data.

The whole premise of the climate change lobby (remember when they were called "global warming lobby?") is that temperature is going up, because we're increasing output of Co2. THIS IS FALSE. And that is the real hoax. Also, you seem to be suggesting that the worldwide population at that time (AD 800-1300) which would have been a fraction of what it is now, (and the ability to only create small camp fires) would have been capable of polluting the atmosphere to an extent greater than the global industry that supports the 6bn of us today!

And as for Mars, are all the other planets & moons warming as well?

Oddly enough, we don't have data from every planet and moon in the solar system, on account of it being rather tricky to get the equipment needed to them...

My point is that it's all down to what the Sun is kicking out, it all revolves around that gigantic ball of flames - quite literally in this case! and anyone who thinks otherwise is the same sort of person that believes governments are there to help us...

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