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Not too clear on the policies of UKIP, but what now seperates Conservatives from UKIP ?

Why not a coalition, and the disgraced Tory Grandee's are replaced in a Tory Government with UKIP MP's.

I think UKIP would just push for separation whereas the tories would ask us first.

If the voters thought about it though ( and three labour terms show theres little chance of that) then they wouldn't vote for UKIP at all in the euro elections... how useful is a UKIP MP going to be in europe when they are effectively a single issue party who don't believe europe should exist at all.

If there are those who place leaving europe at the top of their agenda then they should be voting for UKIP at the national elections... and in the euro's vote for someone whose policies might make europe less bad.

Europe could be good for the UK.... but federalism surely can't be.....which leads me onto to this issue of the treaty etc... now that europe has decided that the way around getting it ratified is to knock it down a level so it doesn't need to be ratified there seems to be little point in having a referendum on the issue as there is no vote.

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Not too clear on the policies of UKIP, but what now seperates Conservatives from UKIP ?

Why not a coalition, and the disgraced Tory Grandee's are replaced in a Tory Government with UKIP MP's.

UKIP is the only political party that has a policy to withdraw from European political union and renegotiate a purely trade agreement along the lines of Norway and, also, in line with the Common Market that we voted to join in the first place. We never voted to join a political union.

I don't think UKIP would do very well in a General Election but I think they could easily take Conservative and Labour votes in the European Elections and put Labour in third or fourth place, as well as taking Conservative votes.

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Now that is what I call being in touch with the people.

If the Tories can put this one out, they will obliterate the opposition.

Mr Cameron warned that voting for the minor parties would be "letting the Government off the hook" over the issue of a referendum on the European constitution.

"In terms of rebuilding trust, I think this issue of when you make a promise, sticking to that promise, like the promise we have all made about having a referendum on the constitution, is as important as anything else," he told GMTV.

He said he was publishing a Bill today which would allow for a referendum to be passed through Parliament with a vote on the same day in the autumn as the Irish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nstitution.html

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Now that is what I call being in touch with the people.

If the Tories can put this one out, they will obliterate the opposition.

Mr Cameron warned that voting for the minor parties would be "letting the Government off the hook" over the issue of a referendum on the European constitution.

"In terms of rebuilding trust, I think this issue of when you make a promise, sticking to that promise, like the promise we have all made about having a referendum on the constitution, is as important as anything else," he told GMTV.

He said he was publishing a Bill today which would allow for a referendum to be passed through Parliament with a vote on the same day in the autumn as the Irish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nstitution.html

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Now that is what I call being in touch with the people.

If the Tories can put this one out, they will obliterate the opposition.

Mr Cameron warned that voting for the minor parties would be "letting the Government off the hook" over the issue of a referendum on the European constitution.

"In terms of rebuilding trust, I think this issue of when you make a promise, sticking to that promise, like the promise we have all made about having a referendum on the constitution, is as important as anything else," he told GMTV.

He said he was publishing a Bill today which would allow for a referendum to be passed through Parliament with a vote on the same day in the autumn as the Irish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nstitution.html

Hmm, that was the only thing he could have done to prevent a good part of the Conservative vote going to UKIP in the European elections on Thursday.

How do we know this isn't just pie-in-the-sky, though? Suppose the government does not allow the Bill to be debated or, suppose the Government uses its still substantial majority to defeat the Bill? I'm not sure it's enough. He should have come out with this months ago, not when his back's against the wall and the Conservatives look likely to lose a lot of votes to UKIP. It looks a little opportunistic.

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Let's hope Cameron can pull this off.

How bloody fantastic.

We get rid of the Labour Party forever, and the public finally get to judge those greedy, robbing, criminal, b'stards in the EU.

FFS even the European Minister for Justice has a criminal record!!!!!!!

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Hmm, that was the only thing he could have done to prevent a good part of the Conservative vote going to UKIP in the European elections on Thursday.

How do we know this isn't just pie-in-the-sky, though? Suppose the government does not allow the Bill to be debated or, suppose the Government uses its still substantial majority to defeat the Bill? I'm not sure it's enough. He should have come out with this months ago, not when his back's against the wall and the Conservatives look likely to lose a lot of votes to UKIP. It looks a little opportunistic.

Not too clear on the policies of UKIP, but what now seperates Conservatives from UKIP ?

Why not a coalition, and the disgraced Tory Grandee's are replaced in a Tory Government with UKIP MP's.

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Not too clear on the policies of UKIP, but what now seperates Conservatives from UKIP ?

Why not a coalition, and the disgraced Tory Grandee's are replaced in a Tory Government with UKIP MP's.

what seperates conservative from labour, nothing.

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I think UKIP would just push for separation whereas the tories would ask us first.

If the voters thought about it though ( and three labour terms show theres little chance of that) then they wouldn't vote for UKIP at all in the euro elections... how useful is a UKIP MP going to be in europe when they are effectively a single issue party who don't believe europe should exist at all.

If there are those who place leaving europe at the top of their agenda then they should be voting for UKIP at the national elections... and in the euro's vote for someone whose policies might make europe less bad.

Europe could be good for the UK.... but federalism surely can't be.....which leads me onto to this issue of the treaty etc... now that europe has decided that the way around getting it ratified is to knock it down a level so it doesn't need to be ratified there seems to be little point in having a referendum on the issue as there is no vote.

Ooooooohhhhhh Not sure I like the idea of someone telling me there is little point in having democracy, if its not a big deal then why not have a referendum, is it the cost...................if it is dont worry, we just payed Bankers Billions in Bonus's and bailouts, spending money on the working classes to have a vote on Europe is now small change given the figures Labour banter on about as though a handfull of billion is nothing.

Been told that a few times by the EU and we seem to be ruled by them, indeed they are the highest court in our land.

I think the public need to air their views on the subject, from what I read 80% of the UK public do not want EU membership, thats a huge number to ignore.

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Is this the same Cameron who's detected the dissent over the EU and now wishes to score election points in the run up to the big one next May?

It was his party who signed away our constitution in 1992 by signing the Maastricht treaty. It was his party who took us in to the EEC in the first place. He has a nerve if he thinks people believe his party is seriously eurosceptic. He just wants to make sure UKIP don't steal all his precious tory votes down south. Shiny faced, toffy nosed C**t.

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Is this the same Cameron who's detected the dissent over the EU and now wishes to score election points in the run up to the big one next May?

It was his party who signed away our constitution in 1992 by signing the Maastricht treaty. It was his party who took us in to the EEC in the first place. He has a nerve if he thinks people believe his party is seriously eurosceptic. He just wants to make sure UKIP don't steal all his precious tory votes down south. Shiny faced, toffy nosed C**t.

Of course.

His job is to tell you what you want to hea so things can carry on exactly as they are.

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The fact is we cant afford to be a part of the EU anymore. Cameron knows this and will take steps to stop wasting the money asap

you will be part of the eu, no matter who wins election

did yo know that cameron was the 5th cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II and King William IV was his 4th Great Grandfather,

what a thieving wan*er

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Is this the same Cameron who's detected the dissent over the EU and now wishes to score election points in the run up to the big one next May?

It was his party who signed away our constitution in 1992 by signing the Maastricht treaty. It was his party who took us in to the EEC in the first place. He has a nerve if he thinks people believe his party is seriously eurosceptic. He just wants to make sure UKIP don't steal all his precious tory votes down south. Shiny faced, toffy nosed C**t.

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The fact is we cant afford to be a part of the EU anymore. Cameron knows this and will take steps to stop wasting the money asap

you really believe that?

conservatives and labour are the same party , kirstie allsop is the conservatives housing advisor ffs.if conservatives had been in power the past 12 years instead of nu labour then we'd be in exactly the same position.

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No way this will happen, as much as I'd like to see it. Whats stopping the EU from saying "wrong answer assholes! vote again", or obfuscating the matter like they did with the constitution?

However on the upside Cameron does know how to smile unlike that Scottish chap who brought in the minimum wage, an independant bank of England, billions in financial services revenue (for a while there we didn't even have to listen to Scottish oil being our number 1 export!), a better NHS, kept us out of the single currency by ignoring his colleagues and people like me, got us out of Iraq and finally dodged the depression bullet to such an extent that we're talking about a 1990's or 1980's style recession and not the 1930's!

The "independent" Bank of England that trashed the pound and kept interest rates artificially low to create a huge housing bubble - which is practically New Labour policy... The MRSA riddled NHS... Kept us out of the single currency?! ********, the UK wouldn't be allowed in anyway. The blessed financial services, oh what a boon for the UK! He voted to put the UK into Iraq! Dodged the depression bullet! :blink:

All Gordon Brown has given Britain is crippling levels of public and private debt and a police state!

With people as confused and deluded as you its no surprise the political classes have managed to run rings round the public for so long!

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Let's hope Cameron can pull this off.

Please be serious and stop falling for all the spin. This is the same master of spin Cameron who 2 months ago wanted to cut costs by scrapping regional assemblies and 1 week ago decided he wanted to empower the people by rolling out more power locally in the form of Mayors. The chap will say anything to anyone.

However on the upside Cameron does know how to smile unlike that Scottish chap who brought in the minimum wage, an independant bank of England, billions in financial services revenue (for a while there we didn't even have to listen to Scottish oil being our number 1 export!), a better NHS, kept us out of the single currency by ignoring his colleagues and people like me, got us out of Iraq and finally dodged the depression bullet to such an extent that we're talking about a 1990's or 1980's style recession and not the 1930's!

Another plus for Cameron is that he had the brains to pay off the 90K mortgage of his main house when he got the tax payer funded interest free mortgage for his second home. All Gordon could manage was splitting a cleaning bill with his brother.

ps. I don't even know why i'm defending Brown, i'm a Lib Dem voter. They where the only people to point out that the little people like where getting ripped off and left behind in the buy to let boom! I just read so much biased one sided commentary on the man it just gets my sense of fairness riled up.

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The Tories trying to steal UKIP votes now that UKIP is a threat to them....

Who would have thunk it? :blink:

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you will be part of the eu, no matter who wins election

So you're suggesting that Cameron will say hes in favour of a vote on EU and then get into power and not give one?

I think the question will be, which country will get out first? Italy? Spain? Us?

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So you're suggesting that Cameron will say hes in favour of a vote on EU and then get into power and not give one?

I think the question will be, which country will get out first? Italy? Spain? Us?

People talk about the EU as if it covers the whole world and by wanting to consider leaving that we're somehow bonkers (3 million jobs blah blah blah).

Norway & Switzerland - not members,but clearly European countries and quite happy trading with the EU but not being run by the EU (I accept they have to follow EU product directives but this must hold true for sales to US too)

Denmark - member but not in Euro zone - when did you last hear about Denmark being criticised for not being a good EU member state?

In reality the EU is run by national failures like Kinnock and Mandelbum with a permanent lib-lab bias (much like having the BBC running the EU). Who needs to listen to these failures?

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People talk about the EU as if it covers the whole world and by wanting to consider leaving that we're somehow bonkers (3 million jobs blah blah blah).

Norway & Switzerland - not members,but clearly European countries and quite happy trading with the EU but not being run by the EU (I accept they have to follow EU product directives but this must hold true for sales to US too)

Denmark - member but not in Euro zone - when did you last hear about Denmark being criticised for not being a good EU member state?

In reality the EU is run by national failures like Kinnock and Mandelbum with a permanent lib-lab bias (much like having the BBC running the EU). Who needs to listen to these failures?

In fact there are times when I think that the EU exists so that the EU Commission can exist as a porovider of sinecures for failed, generaly left wing, politicians.

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The "independent" Bank of England that trashed the pound and kept interest rates artificially low to create a huge housing bubble - which is practically New Labour policy... The MRSA riddled NHS... Kept us out of the single currency?! ********, the UK wouldn't be allowed in anyway. The blessed financial services, oh what a boon for the UK! He voted to put the UK into Iraq! Dodged the depression bullet! :blink:

Wow you seem be desputing what most people would treat as facts, take a step back and conisder the following:

1) The BOE made the same policy decision as most of the G8 (& the world for that matter), point of fact Mervyn King et al have never been slow to disagree or contradict the chancellor. The move from CPI to RPI was not to my taste but overall surely it can't be disputed that economists and not ambitous politcians are best placed to guide interest rates.

2) The pound is hovering back at 1.60 to 1.70 a dollar from highs of 2 dollars per pound 2 years back. It goes up, it goes down, 2.00 dollars and 1.30 dollars where both extremes but saying the pound is trashed is not in any way an accurate statement.

3) Yes MRSA is a problem but the nhs has improved alot from 15 years ago, however i'm not saying its more value for money that 15 years ago. Its just better.

4) Point of fact, despite avid pro single currency support in Labour Brown and his five unknown criteria have kept Sterling alive. I used to be pro single currency but seeing the speed our policy reaction when compared to poor Germany has changed my mind. A lesson learnt for me there. Germany who didn't even participate in the heart of financial services boom has seen its GDP drop nearly twice that of the UK. Seems a bit ironic that we raked in the cash but dodged the worse of the consequences.

5) Yip he voted us into Iraq along with the Tories, atleast however he doesn't k1ss USA ass. Tony Blair was embarrassing, thank god Brown didn't follow his style and fawn over Obama, that would be enough to make me eat in the kitchen instead of infront of the TV.

Look bottom line is the Tories will win but lets give Brown the credit he deserves along with the abuse he deserves, at the moment i see lots of simple people treating Browns performance as its a black and white story and clearly there is much more to it than that. Clinton got this type of bitter treatment during his last days and history has judged him well. Lets hope Cameron does not follow Bush's foot steps. For its worth i don't think he will, hes just putting on a big show, he will basically stick with most of the plans Labour leave him [except for that cut in inheritance tax all his Eton buddies want!].

Cheers and take care, remember don't believe everything you read in the papers and try to be objective.

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