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Sky news has just referred to this article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...s-expenses.html

"Hazel Blears' resignation 'due to capital gains tax avoidance on another property'

Hazel Blears’ resignation as Communities Secretary was partly triggered by the discovery that she had allegedly avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of another property."

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What if nobody accepts offers of cabinet posts when Brown reshuffles?

It could happen. Accepting the offer of a cabinet post in a collapsing government could well be a bad career move.

Cracking comment there, Blankster. What would happen?

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I am not sure I understand what is going on.

I take it for granted that Gordon Brown is very unpopular, especially as Labour face a disaster tomorrow in the polls.

But why would Hazel Blears' resignation weaken his position?

Surely, someone who appears to have their noses in the trough, perhaps even have committed fraud, resigning from the cabinet, surely that would help Brown?

And if I wanted to strengthen my position, I would like to hear lots of proven wrongdoers and crooks all speaking against me. If Blears was praising Brown, then I could understand that he would be worried.

Interestingly enough, I reckon that whoever succeeds Brown, might actually be worth a punt to win the next election. The economy is looking as if it is performing way better than expected, and who is to say that wont continue for the next few months? Can anyone tell me the odds on Labour to win the next election? If those odds are long enough, it might well be worth a punt.

Well you are very sentimental if you think that a few positively flickering needles in the turn of events somehow indicate that the economy is performing way better an expected.

Sentiment also drives what people think of each other in politics, not rational judgements based on performance.

Does that help?

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The way I see it is that she, and everyone else, has jumped before the y were pushed. This has prevented Gordon from excercising his 'authority' from being able to sack any of them. Sacking people would make it look like he's in control.........however, he isn't.

Also, I feel there is more going on here than meets the eye?

The only positive thing I can think of is that a Labour shadow cabinet have decided on a much better way to run the party, and the economy, however all opinions other than cyclops have been utterly rubbished and vetoed?

ie- many in the party are saying- "yes we DO have a clue, but Gordon, you are such a cu nt"

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I am not sure I understand what is going on.

I take it for granted that Gordon Brown is very unpopular, especially as Labour face a disaster tomorrow in the polls.

But why would Hazel Blears' resignation weaken his position?

It's because she did it to make him look weak, which it does. It makes people think Gordon Brown has lost control and needs

to be replaced, if nobody respects him he can't lead the vote.

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Well you are very sentimental if you think that a few positively flickering needles in the turn of events somehow indicate that the economy is performing way better an expected.

Sentiment also drives what people think of each other in politics, not rational judgements based on performance.

Does that help?

Chute,

no it doesnt help. As I see it, Brown is toast anyway.

But I would have thought that any attempt by Blears to weaken his position would have ended up as been positive for him. Not very positive mind, but just a teeny weeny bit positive. I just dont see how Blears can strenghten anyone's position if she gives them her support. Likewise, if she went negative on someone, surely it would help them, just a tad?

I would compare it to throwing a tiny straw to a drowning man. It might keep them alive just a millisecond longer. Instead, most posters on here make it seem like said drowning man has been thrown the anchor.

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Dont bet on it.Youl see what a git he can be if Brown sacks him.No frightened puppy gets to the 2nd highest office in the country.If youd ever been in politics youd know,the ones who get to the top,even of councils are good at giving an image,but ruthless when needed.

Nope - that's why he's been put there. He's a placcid, maliable useless idiot who has no ruthless bone in his body

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I liked this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8080777.stm

So an incoherent plot's a possibility then...?

I like how Labour freely admit to the fact that even their plotting is uncoordinated and haphazard, for once they're being honest about their blind incompetence. Just how organised are a bunch of rats fleeing a sinking ship?

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Has anyone seen any canvassers for any of the parties?

Round here there are some LibDem posters, plus a few of the usual predictable Conservative ones put up by rich farmers in their fields alongside roads.

But no labour ones at all, anywhere.

Because broken windows are expensive

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I am not sure I understand what is going on.

I take it for granted that Gordon Brown is very unpopular, especially as Labour face a disaster tomorrow in the polls.

But why would Hazel Blears' resignation weaken his position?

Surely, someone who appears to have their noses in the trough, perhaps even have committed fraud, resigning from the cabinet, surely that would help Brown?

And if I wanted to strengthen my position, I would like to hear lots of proven wrongdoers and crooks all speaking against me. If Blears was praising Brown, then I could understand that he would be worried.

Interestingly enough, I reckon that whoever succeeds Brown, might actually be worth a punt to win the next election. The economy is looking as if it is performing way better than expected, and who is to say that wont continue for the next few months? Can anyone tell me the odds on Labour to win the next election? If those odds are long enough, it might well be worth a punt.

Its the day before the council European elections and she will be at the forefront of calling for Browns resignation on Friday, sniffing out a job with the new leader.

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Chute,

no it doesnt help. As I see it, Brown is toast anyway.

But I would have thought that any attempt by Blears to weaken his position would have ended up as been positive for him. Not very positive mind, but just a teeny weeny bit positive. I just dont see how Blears can strenghten anyone's position if she gives them her support. Likewise, if she went negative on someone, surely it would help them, just a tad?

I would compare it to throwing a tiny straw to a drowning man. It might keep them alive just a millisecond longer. Instead, most posters on here make it seem like said drowning man has been thrown the anchor.

You're missing the point that Brown's immeadiate future is determined by the Parliamentary Labour Party, not the electorate. Even if Blears is deeply unpopular in the country (and it remains to be seen if she is more unpopular than Brown himself) as one of the most prominent Blairites in cabinet she still has considerable influence within her own party. If this resignation is the opening salvo of a Blairite attack on Brown then what matters is how much support she has in the PLP. The electorate at large don't really come into it much unless Brown announces a general election and puts them all up for the vote.

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Because broken windows are expensive

There's nobody to put up Labour posters, they have no activists left, most left a long time ago, the final hardcore of sandal wielding muesli munching apologists finally woke up and refuse to do work for the banker bailing piggies. So it's just MP's and candidates left going door to door, and they've all had a weekend of door slamming "engagement" with the public, that's why so many decided to quit this week.

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This is the end now for Brown and Labour.Half the cabinet resigns in two days.They know their vote is going to collapse tomorrow.

We now have no government.Only Brown.The Labour party itself is about to collapse.They will split right down the middle,the left blaming new labour,new labour blaming the left.

The deficit will crack soon.Darling wont go without laying the blame where it lies.With Brown.I think Darling has done the best he could from what Brown left him.Darling ,if he is sacked will be the man who brings Brown down.

If and when he makes that speech,the government collapses and we will have an election.

This cant go on,much longer and Labour will cease to exist as a party.

This is the biggest political event of 100 years.Brown has destroyed Labour.The Libdems are now the opposition.

This is the end of socialism in the UK.Cameron will have a huge majority.I would think the situation will be so bad he will make a very shrewd political move.Hel put a couple of Libdems in his cabinet.That way he highlights Labour destroyed the economy pushes them out of the equation....forever.

Indeed. Has been a fascinating day so far.

Looks like my wish of the LibDems becoming the second party in the UK is coming off.

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Let joy be unconfined!! :D:D:D

When Brown goes I wonder if they will save a place for him at "the priory"? :huh: That personality of his was never very firmly held together - disintegration imminent. :ph34r:

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