Uk Brain Drain Is Going To Kill Any Recovery.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

The last couple of months I have been trying to source some talented individuals covering a broad spectrum of disciplines for a project I and my business partners are working on. As 4 of the 6 people involved in this venture are based in the UK we decided that basing operations here would be our best bet. All we've had is fresh faced graduates who don't have the necessary experience to be of much benefit to the project. It seems anyone with marketable experience in the areas of interest to us has decamped to fairer shores. The upshot being it seems unlikely we will be able to start-up in the UK as the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

[non frog]

... the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

Clearly they are more intelligent than you then mate

Chris

[cashinmattress]

The last couple of months I have been trying to source some talented individuals covering a broad spectrum of disciplines for a project I and my business partners are working on. As 4 of the 6 people involved in this venture are based in the UK we decided that basing operations here would be our best bet. All we've had is fresh faced graduates who don't have the necessary experience to be of much benefit to the project. It seems anyone with marketable experience in the areas of interest to us has decamped to fairer shores. The upshot being it seems unlikely we will be able to start-up in the UK as the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

Well, if you are young, talented, and ambitious, why the hell would you stay here? Punishing taxes, crippling intellectual property laws, the list goes on....

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Clearly they are more intelligent than you then mate

Chris

I live in Germany, but spend time working in the UK, USA and Japan.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Well, if you are young, talented, and ambitious, why the hell would you stay here? Punishing taxes, crippling intellectual property laws, the list goes on....

See reply to other poster. The bulk of our consortium is based in the UK.

[CokeSnortingTory]

The last couple of months I have been trying to source some talented individuals covering a broad spectrum of disciplines for a project I and my business partners are working on. As 4 of the 6 people involved in this venture are based in the UK we decided that basing operations here would be our best bet. All we've had is fresh faced graduates who don't have the necessary experience to be of much benefit to the project. It seems anyone with marketable experience in the areas of interest to us has decamped to fairer shores. The upshot being it seems unlikely we will be able to start-up in the UK as the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

That's all a bit vague. What do you actually do?

I think the problem with UK employers is that they always seem to have a very narrow idea of the kind of people they want. For example, I'm a degree-qualified design engineer who spent 10 years designing internal combustion engines, but if I apply for any technical/engineering role outside the narrow confines of my discipline (for example civil engineering) I never even get an interview, despite being pretty sure I could pick it up quite easily.

In the 1950's when my father was on the jobs market, everything seemed much more open-minded - as long as you were bright enough and confident enough, you could apparently get in anywhere.

Both employers and employees in this country have become far too focused on the tyranny of qualifications.

[tim123]

The last couple of months I have been trying to source some talented individuals covering a broad spectrum of disciplines for a project I and my business partners are working on. As 4 of the 6 people involved in this venture are based in the UK we decided that basing operations here would be our best bet. All we've had is fresh faced graduates who don't have the necessary experience to be of much benefit to the project. It seems anyone with marketable experience in the areas of interest to us has decamped to fairer shores. The upshot being it seems unlikely we will be able to start-up in the UK as the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

Unless your requirements are very niche, I think that your assessment is wrong and you are recruiting the wrong way.

I have not seen people leaving in droves in what I do.

tim

[Johnny Storm]

Well, if you are young, talented, and ambitious, why the hell would you stay here? Punishing taxes, crippling intellectual property laws, the list goes on....

Equally if you could set up a business anywhere, why would you set it up here?

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

That's all a bit vague. What do you actually do?

I think the problem with UK employers is that they always seem to have a very narrow idea of the kind of people they want. For example, I'm a degree-qualified design engineer who spent 10 years designing internal combustion engines, but if I apply for any technical/engineering role outside the narrow confines of my discipline (for example civil engineering) I never even get an interview, despite being pretty sure I could pick it up quite easily.

In the 1950's when my father was on the jobs market, everything seemed much more open-minded - as long as you were bright enough and confident enough, you could apparently get in anywhere.

Both employers and employees in this country have become far too focused on the tyranny of qualifications.

I am a mathematician and engineer. The project for which we are trying to recruit talent is an advanced arm prosthetic, very advanced.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Equally if you could set up a business anywhere, why would you set it up here?

I think we all have a desire to see some cutting edge manufacturing being done in the UK

[OnlyMe]

I think we all have a desire to see some cutting edge manufacturing being done in the UK

Would the salary being offered gain the employee an average priced house at 3x salary in the locality?

[CokeSnortingTory]

I am a mathematician and engineer. The project for which we are trying to recruit talent is an advanced arm prosthetic, very advanced.

Ha! I worked with someone who used to design prosthetic arms - he preferred engines.

tbh, I'd be surprised if that many people globally have the required experience for that kind of advanced project - you'd be better off thinking outside the box - which kind of industries employ specialists in detailed engineering etc. and how transferable their skills/intelligence would be.

i.e. - you're looking for evidence of ability as much as "experience" or qualifications. Maybe people who design precision machine tools, or cameras etc.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Would the salary being offered gain the employee an average priced house at 3x salary in the locality?

£70k a year + 20% target based bonus (lowest)

£100k a year +20% target based bonus (highest)

[50%deposit]

I am a mathematician and engineer. The project for which we are trying to recruit talent is an advanced arm prosthetic, very advanced.

lol

you mean BIONIC?

must agree with cokesnortingtory, what you say sounds pretty vague. are you saying you've been hanging about in the job center looking for a biotechnologicalengineer to pop by?

if its as advanced as you say, they your really country independent, surely there are professional bodies like the medical council and the bionic limbs institute that will have lists of fellows and doctorates that would have the requestite number of brains for your project? Just hang about outside their annual conference and bundle a few into a black van and whisk them off to your reclusive underground research lab.

Where have you been advertising? Trawling? Searching? Tried a head hunter?

[Gideon Gono]

The last couple of months I have been trying to source some talented individuals covering a broad spectrum of disciplines for a project I and my business partners are working on. As 4 of the 6 people involved in this venture are based in the UK we decided that basing operations here would be our best bet. All we've had is fresh faced graduates who don't have the necessary experience to be of much benefit to the project. It seems anyone with marketable experience in the areas of interest to us has decamped to fairer shores. The upshot being it seems unlikely we will be able to start-up in the UK as the people with the requsite skills are leaving in droves.

Maybe you should try offering more than that commie "citizens wage" as pay........

[libspero]

I am a mathematician and engineer. The project for which we are trying to recruit talent is an advanced arm prosthetic, very advanced.

£70k a year + 20% target based bonus (lowest)

£100k a year +20% target based bonus (highest)

Sounds very niche. You would probably do better to poach from a competitor.. which might not be impossible with those amounts.

Failing that, you could always train up someone yourself from a similar field (and probably pay them less as well!).

[OnlyMe]

£70k a year + 20% target based bonus (lowest)

£100k a year +20% target based bonus (highest)

Good wages.

Weird you've had no response.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Ha! I worked with someone who used to design prosthetic arms - he preferred engines.

tbh, I'd be surprised if that many people globally have the required experience for that kind of advanced project - you'd be better off thinking outside the box - which kind of industries employ specialists in detailed engineering etc. and how transferable their skills/intelligence would be.

i.e. - you're looking for evidence of ability as much as "experience" or qualifications. Maybe people who design precision machine tools, or cameras etc.

Our goals mean we are looking for quite a diverse group of people.

Ultracapacitor power source and kinetic charging

Mobility, dexterity and strength exceeding the original biological component,

Flesh covered

Thermoception, proprioception and noiception.

The required technologies either exist or are a couple of years away from being mature enough. The tricky bit is bringing everything together into a device that is affordable. Not much point in a superprosthetic if it costs 10 million pounds a unit.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

Good wages.

Weird you've had no response.

We've had responses, from good people too, but they just don't have sufficent experience to be useful to us.

[libspero]

Ultracapacitor power source and kinetic charging

Mobility, dexterity and strength exceeding the original biological component,

Flesh covered

Thermoception, proprioception and noiception.

I think you need to speak to Sarah Connor

Best of luck

[cashinmattress]

We've had responses, from good people too, but they just don't have sufficent experience to be useful to us.

Tell me about it. I work in the North Sea, and we get endless CV's with lots of qualifications on them....but so many people are full of shit about what they actually have done. Finding talent in Britain in the engineering field is bloody well difficult.

For the most part, we have stopped looking at UK lifers and are having to look Europeans, Ozzies, and Asians for talent, or at least those Britons who have spend a good portion of their career working outside of the continental UK., as they seem have a better work ethic. Having half Fridays and lost productivity from hungover Mondays is not great for any business, so no wonder we struggle here.

People think that just gaining a piece of paper grants them the usual sense of British entitlement. And the worst bit is, if they decide they don't want to pull their weight, or are unable to, it's bloody difficult and expensive to sack them here.

Nanny state BS.

"Times, they are a-changing."

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

lol

you mean BIONIC?

must agree with cokesnortingtory, what you say sounds pretty vague. are you saying you've been hanging about in the job center looking for a biotechnologicalengineer to pop by?

if its as advanced as you say, they your really country independent, surely there are professional bodies like the medical council and the bionic limbs institute that will have lists of fellows and doctorates that would have the requestite number of brains for your project? Just hang about outside their annual conference and bundle a few into a black van and whisk them off to your reclusive underground research lab.

Where have you been advertising? Trawling? Searching? Tried a head hunter?

Well 'prosthetic' is more accurate as it replaces a biological component. A knife could be described as bionic as it allows a human to perform a task better.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

I think you need to speak to Sarah Connor

Best of luck

Yes we've had that. I actually wanted to call the company Cyberdyne, but the others were not so keen on the idea.

[Guest BoomBoomCrash]

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar08/6069

Just in case anyone thought this was pie in the sky stuff

[50%deposit]

whats the point of covering a limb with flesh?

sounds like your trying to create cyborgs.

advertised in New Scientis? Nature? Robotic Conspiracy Automated World Domination Quartertly?

these are all quality journals/rags read by the right people, ie, undergrads who believe theres a job at the end of a 6 year degree in molecular biotechnology.