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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8066615.stm

North Korea says it has has staged a "successful" underground nuclear test, prompting international condemnation.

The state says it was more powerful than the previous one in October 2006.

A number of external agencies have confirmed a powerful explosion took place, suspected to be associated with a nuclear test.

US President Barack Obama described the North Korean action as a threat to international peace. Crisis talks were being held in South Korea.

An emergency session of the UN Security Council is being convened by Russia, which currently occupies the council's rotating presidency.

BBC world affairs correspondent David Loyn says North Korea appears to have moved from a posture of negotiation to confrontation over the nuclear issue.

An official communique read out on North Korean state radio said another round of underground nuclear testing had been "successfully conducted... as part of measures to enhance the Republic's self-defensive nuclear deterrent in all directions".

It said the test had been "safely conducted at a new high level in terms of explosive power and control technology".

The test would "contribute to safeguard the sovereignty of the country and the nation and socialism", the communique said.

The North gave no details of the test location, but South Korean officials said that a seismic tremor was detected in the north-eastern part around the town of Kilju - the site of North Korea's first nuclear test.

The US Geological Survey said a 4.7-magnitude quake was detected at 0054 GMT, 10km (six miles) underground.

Geological agencies in both South Korea and the US said the tremor indicated a nuclear explosion.

Russian news agencies quoted the defence ministry as saying said its systems had detected a blast of "between 10 and 20 kilotons" - making it much bigger than the 2006 test, which the US said was less than a kiloton.

Just hours after the test, North Korea appeared to have test-fired a short-range missile, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

Pyongyang has so far not commented on Yonhap's report.

The US state department said it was still analysing the available data from the test.

But in a strongly worded statement, President Obama said the North's pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatened peace and was in "blatant defiance of the United Nations Security Council".

"The danger posed by North Korea's threatening activities warrants action by the international community. We have been and will continue working with our allies and partners in the six-party talks as well as other members of the UN Security Council in the days ahead," his statement said.

A spokesman for the South Korean President Lee Myung-bak said the test was a "grave challenge" to international non-proliferation efforts, while Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura said any nuclear test by the North would be "unacceptable".

Both have formed crisis management teams, and said they would ask for action from the UN Security Council.

The UK Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, said he condemned the test "in the strongest terms" and said it would "undermine prospects for peace on the Korean peninsula".

South Korea's stock market fell 4% on the news, over fears that regional tensions would rise.

Rocket condemnation

The North says it remains under military threat from its historic rival, South Korea, and South Korea's allies, primarily the US - citing such examples as the annual US-South Korean military exercises undertaken in South Korea.

BBC correspondant says -

When it meets later on Monday, the UN Security Council will issue a strong statement of condemnation. President Obama is threatening action, but there are very few options left short of war.

Dead ex president says -

I can't imagine the countless agonies down the road/

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They have 1.2 million military personnel, war with these guys would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

Thank fk Dick & George aren't running the Whitehouse now..

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this was allegedly an underground explosion. despite this, the BBC have been running constant footage of large missiles which may or may not be North Korean... then wheeling some minister or other on to say 'ooh look at the bad pointy missile' or similar

yesterday it was some scammer taking a leak in the Royal garage or whatever, with some pundit on babbling about terrorists

let's not forget that the vast majority of our 'democratically elected' 'leaders' have been caught with their hands in the till.

the Queen has not spoken up because for her to speak out on this issue in particular would be hypocricy of a sufficient size to eclipse the sun

i mean does anyone believe any of this sh!t any more?

citizen, stay in the box. do not move, do not think

AR5EHOLES

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They have 1.2 million military personnel, war with these guys would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

Thank fk Dick & George aren't running the Whitehouse now..

They also have good hardware. Their special forces units are some of the most feared in the world.

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What do people reckon the upper age for conscription will be?

Given the current demographic profile I can't see it being anywhere near 25.

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They also have good hardware. Their special forces units are some of the most feared in the world.

Source? Every country says that about their special forces.

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The army places great emphasis on special operations and has the 2nd largest special operations forces in the world — tailored to meet the distinct requirements of mountainous Korean terrain.

Wikipedia.

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The army places great emphasis on special operations and has the 2nd largest special operations forces in the world — tailored to meet the distinct requirements of mountainous Korean terrain.

Wikipedia.

That sounds a bit more threatening.

But as I've been paying my taxes for Trident all these years I have a natty way of getting rid of them.

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Ultimately you'd still have to go in on the ground to win the war though. Unless you're prepared to kill tens of millions of people with nuclear weapons etc.

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The UK could easily fight North Korea, we have our own special forces.

At the very least Gordon Brown could break them down by inflitrating their financial system and selling them the Trojan Horse of an Economic Miracle, then we could send in Hazel Bleers who would bankrupt their public services with her expense claims, then we could send in the Party Failthfull from the Labour Heartlands to poison the population.

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... then we could send in Hazel Bleers who would bankrupt their public services with her expense claims ...

Deploying Hazel Blears would constitute a war crime.

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Ultimately you'd still have to go in on the ground to win the war though. Unless you're prepared to kill tens of millions of people with nuclear weapons etc.

No they wouldn't. Ground invasion in Iraq was necessary to secure to oil assets, the same in Afghanistan to take and hold the ground for the route of a major oil pipeline out of Kazakhstan or wherever. Ground invasion's are only ever about securing an asset. NK has no such asset we need or require.

We and the Americans have spent ££Billions developing precision guided nuclear weapons and we know they have the ability to put a missile onto a target the size of a tennis court from many hundreds of miles away.

NK is only a threat if it is able to develop nuclear technology with a delivery system to threaten it's neighbours. Surgical strikes possibly Nuclear will take out the key infrastructure before it gets anywhere near that bad. All that will be needed is a tacit nod from the Russians and the Chinese who as I understand it want the crisis solved too. I wouldn't be surprised if it even became a bi or tri lateral operation.

Don't forget the strikes that took place to destroy Saddam's WMD program by and large worked even though they didn't want us to know (and it didn't suit them to tell us) at the time.

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Hi Injin. ;)

Hope I haven't pulled you too far down into the tarry gloompit of my despair...

... but I hope you're starting to see why I think the theatre this time around will be the battle for launch capability/ air superiority...

... and why I think General Dynamics and Raytheon will glow twice as bright (well, until they're nationalised along with Boeng that is).

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Hi Injin. ;)

Hope I haven't pulled you too far down into the tarry gloompit of my despair...

... but I hope you're starting to see why I think the theatre this time around will be the battle for launch capability/ air superiority...

... and why I think General Dynamics and Raytheon will glow twice as bright (well, until they're nationalised along with Boeng that is).

Your logic is impeccable.

I am hoping for total state failures accorss the board before it gets that bad. It'll be shitty, but not "death from above" shitty.

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Oh they might well....... This is one of the last bastions against Globalism (not that I agree with their socialism in any case) - the Globalists will be looking to teach someone else a lesson not to resist their undemocratic advances.

No they wouldn't. Ground invasion in Iraq was necessary to secure to oil assets, the same in Afghanistan to take and hold the ground for the route of a major oil pipeline out of Kazakhstan or wherever. Ground invasion's are only ever about securing an asset. NK has no such asset we need or require.

We and the Americans have spent ££Billions developing precision guided nuclear weapons and we know they have the ability to put a missile onto a target the size of a tennis court from many hundreds of miles away.

NK is only a threat if it is able to develop nuclear technology with a delivery system to threaten it's neighbours. Surgical strikes possibly Nuclear will take out the key infrastructure before it gets anywhere near that bad. All that will be needed is a tacit nod from the Russians and the Chinese who as I understand it want the crisis solved too. I wouldn't be surprised if it even became a bi or tri lateral operation.

Don't forget the strikes that took place to destroy Saddam's WMD program by and large worked even though they didn't want us to know (and it didn't suit them to tell us) at the time.

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this was allegedly an underground explosion. despite this, the BBC have been running constant footage of large missiles which may or may not be North Korean... then wheeling some minister or other on to say 'ooh look at the bad pointy missile' or similar

yesterday it was some scammer taking a leak in the Royal garage or whatever, with some pundit on babbling about terrorists

let's not forget that the vast majority of our 'democratically elected' 'leaders' have been caught with their hands in the till.

the Queen has not spoken up because for her to speak out on this issue in particular would be hypocricy of a sufficient size to eclipse the sun

i mean does anyone believe any of this sh!t any more?

citizen, stay in the box. do not move, do not think

AR5EHOLES

Shedders, if I remember correctly there was suspicion that the previous 'nuke test' was later believed to be a lot of high powered explosives, not a nuclear device.

I believe zero too.

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They have 1.2 million military personnel, war with these guys would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

Thank fk Dick & George aren't running the Whitehouse now..

The war with Iraq was a walk in the park... just 3 weeks to defeat an army half a million strong, with supply lines running halfway round the world.

If Iraq teaches us anything, it's that headcount counts for little if your army is ill-equipped, poorly trained and unmotivated.

North Korea is just being dressed up as Iraq's replacement, the next panto baddy.

FFS, the country survives on international food aid.

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No they wouldn't. Ground invasion in Iraq was necessary to secure to oil assets, the same in Afghanistan to take and hold the ground for the route of a major oil pipeline out of Kazakhstan or wherever. Ground invasion's are only ever about securing an asset. NK has no such asset we need or require.

We and the Americans have spent ££Billions developing precision guided nuclear weapons and we know they have the ability to put a missile onto a target the size of a tennis court from many hundreds of miles away.

NK is only a threat if it is able to develop nuclear technology with a delivery system to threaten it's neighbours. Surgical strikes possibly Nuclear will take out the key infrastructure before it gets anywhere near that bad. All that will be needed is a tacit nod from the Russians and the Chinese who as I understand it want the crisis solved too. I wouldn't be surprised if it even became a bi or tri lateral operation.

Don't forget the strikes that took place to destroy Saddam's WMD program by and large worked even though they didn't want us to know (and it didn't suit them to tell us) at the time.

Nukes would be largely ineffective against NKs key military facilities.

North Korea began to build fortifications in 1960s. All key military facilities are built underground to withstand American bunker-buster bombs. North Korea has 8,236 underground facilities that are linked by 547 km of tunnels. Beneath Pyongyang are a huge underground stadium and other facilities. About 1.2 million tons of food, 1.46 million tons of fuel, and 1.67 million tons of ammunition are stored in underground storage areas for wartime use.

Most of the underground facilities are drilled into granite rocks and the entrances face north in order to avoid direct hits by American bombs and missiles. The B-61 Mod 11 is the main bunker buster in the US arsenal. A recent test showed that this buster could penetrate only 6 meters of rock. The latest GBU-28 laser-guided bunker-buster can penetrate to 30m. North Korean bunkers have at least 80 m of top-cover of solid rocks. North Korea has many false caves that emit heats that will misdirect unwary GBU-28/37 and BKU-113 bunker-busters.

They are also armed to the teeth.

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1361.html

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they can test a hundred times if they want, as long as they test it in their on soil/sea...

this is just a propaganda, remember if the tank is noisy, its probably empty...

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The best thing to do with NK is simply not sell or give them any food. They haven't been able to feed their own population for years.

If no-one trades with them at all, they will starve in large numbers. Not so long ago there were reports of cannibalism in parts of that country.

They WANT to be self sufficient, but they are not. So, the rest of the world can simply totally stop trading and giving them aid.

If they fire one of their primitive nukes at another country, particularly one back by the US, then America can turn their cities into radioactive car-parks.

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