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The More I See/hear About The Mps 2nd Home Expenses

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I feel REAL anger.

House Prices were TAKEN OUT of the INFLATION figures.....

Therefore ordinary mortals doing ORDINARY JOBS - earning ORDINARY incomes --- found their housing costs going and up and up --- UNCHECKED.

THE WHOLE THING WAS A FIDDLE...... JUST LIKE - THE WHOLE MPs "EXPENSES" SYSTEM WAS/IS A FIDDLE

I.E. THERE IS A RASH OF DISHONESTY WHEREVER YOU LOOK... THE WHOLE "ECONOMY" IS BASED ON DISHONESTY AND FRAUD.

LIAR LOANS

LIAR BANKS

LIAR UTILITY COMPANIES

LIAR SALESMEN

LIAR EXPENSES

LIAR MPs

etc etc.

NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP FRAUDULENT & DAMAGING/RUINOUS HOUSE "PRICE" INFLATION.

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I feel REAL anger.

House Prices were TAKEN OUT of the INFLATION figures.....

Therefore ordinary mortals doing ORDINARY JOBS - earning ORDINARY incomes --- found their housing costs going and up and up --- UNCHECKED.

THE WHOLE THING WAS A FIDDLE...... JUST LIKE - THE WHOLE MPs "EXPENSES" SYSTEM WAS/IS A FIDDLE

I.E. THERE IS A RASH OF DISHONESTY WHEREVER YOU LOOK... THE WHOLE "ECONOMY" IS BASED ON DISHONESTY AND FRAUD.

LIAR LOANS

LIAR BANKS

LIAR UTILITY COMPANIES

LIAR SALESMEN

LIAR EXPENSES

LIAR MPs

etc etc.

NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP FRAUDULENT & DAMAGING/RUINOUS HOUSE "PRICE" INFLATION.

With house-prices not reflected in CPI and MPs getting allowances for rent/mortgage interest, council tax, utility bills, travel, furniture, food, telephone, newspapers, it is small wonder that the political classes were completely our of touch with the reality of trying to make an honest living and keep body and soul together over the past ten years.

I mean, what was left for them to spend their salaries on? That which we spend 99% of our salaries on was covered by MP's allowances. They wouldn't have a clue how to make ends meet on the average salary. And even their salaries are three X the average!

Yes, I'm angry, too. "Do as I say not as I do" doesn't begin to describe their hypocrisy. Not only have they fleeced the taxpayer and in the process become divorced from the reality of daily life, they have also subjected us to more legislation than any government before, have interefered in our daily lives with ever more intrusive and petty regulations, and have collected more information about us than could ever be warranted by their cover-story of "security" while withholding information about their expenses claims which ARE of public interest.

Double-dealing, power-crazed, arrogant fascists - that's what they are. A pox on the lot of them!

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I feel REAL anger.

You are not alone.

A very real threat to our way of life is under way.

Our politicians have been so heavily corrupted and our financial system is so indebted that we would count ourselves lucky to be called a banana republic. For the next few years we can expect to see our nation tumbling down the world lead table and potentially into obscurity. I fear the worst is yet to come as the apparatus of the police state has been supplanted within society over the last decade, right under our noses.

We will not see any real growth until there is a complete clean out of the three houses of parliament, and a very strong regulatory framework put in place to hold elected officials accountable, under the same rule of law as every citizen. Sustaining a democracy as envisioned by the working class through the Reform Acts of 1832 and 1867 will be nigh impossible as the government has granted itself too my out clauses with respect to moral and responsible behaviour. We need a written constitution, which is really only possible if we see a revolution or national anarchy.

Put it this way, if we do not prosecute and imprison the worst of the offenders, we are defeated. Forever.

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Even fiddled CGT, effectively introduced retrospective taxation. This has had an enormous effect. Just look at this chart and check the date the tax change occurs.

One of the reasons I know there is going to be no recovereh, they've shot investors and business in the back right at the point where any new businesses might get started off.

Also one of the reasons why I think London as a financial centre is going to do particularly badly and is in for a long protracted long term decline, how can you invest in a climate where this sort of thing happens? You can't and there is no point in doing so. Jobs and investment and any chance of new businesses taking up even a fraction of the slack has gone.

And guess who were the big winners - property speculators and fiddlers all at the expense of long term investment.

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Jan 2008

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax...icle3255967.ece

Capital gains tax chaos: will you be better or worse off?

Many investors are expected to rush to sell their assets ahead of a punitive new regime in April. Clare Francis works out if you are a winner or loser

HUNDREDS of thousands of ordinary investors will face higher tax on their profits from April, despite the government’s climbdown on capital-gains-tax (CGT) reform last week.

Chancellor Alistair Darling announced last October he would sweep away the complex CGT system and replace it with one flat rate of 18%. This prompted howls of protest from business owners who would have faced an 80% increase in their tax bills when they sold their firms. Under the current system, they pay a CGT rate of just 10% once they have owned the business for two years.

Last week the chancellor announced a partial climbdown when he unveiled plans for entrepreneurs’ relief. Business owners - those with a stake of more than 5% in the company they work for – will pay only 10% tax on gains up to £1m. This is a lifetime limit, so while individuals will be able to claim relief for gains made on multiple occasions, they cannot exceed the £1m barrier.

Accountants, however, have criticised the new allowance for not helping ordinary savers. Thousands of people who have invested in the companies for which they work through share schemes could still see a sharp rise in their tax bills, as could investors in stocks listed on the Alternative Investment Market (AIM) who own less than 5%.

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There are big winners, too. Most higher-rate taxpayers with nonbusiness assets, which include second homes, buy-to-lets and shares listed on the main market, will have their CGT cut from a minimum of 24% to 18%.

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I feel REAL anger.

House Prices were TAKEN OUT of the INFLATION figures.....

Therefore ordinary mortals doing ORDINARY JOBS - earning ORDINARY incomes --- found their housing costs going and up and up --- UNCHECKED.

THE WHOLE THING WAS A FIDDLE...... JUST LIKE - THE WHOLE MPs "EXPENSES" SYSTEM WAS/IS A FIDDLE

I.E. THERE IS A RASH OF DISHONESTY WHEREVER YOU LOOK... THE WHOLE "ECONOMY" IS BASED ON DISHONESTY AND FRAUD.

LIAR LOANS

LIAR BANKS

LIAR UTILITY COMPANIES

LIAR SALESMEN

LIAR EXPENSES

LIAR MPs

etc etc.

NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP FRAUDULENT & DAMAGING/RUINOUS HOUSE "PRICE" INFLATION.

Hear, Hear. The B@stards need stringing up.

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I share your anger Eric. :angry:

Yes it is the ordinary people doing the ordinary jobs, who have been fleeced, and treated as mugs, by those in power.

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You are not alone.

A very real threat to our way of life is under way.

Our politicians have been so heavily corrupted and our financial system is so indebted that we would count ourselves lucky to be called a banana republic. For the next few years we can expect to see our nation tumbling down the world lead table and potentially into obscurity. I fear the worst is yet to come as the apparatus of the police state has been supplanted within society over the last decade, right under our noses.

We will not see any real growth until there is a complete clean out of the three houses of parliament, and a very strong regulatory framework put in place to hold elected officials accountable, under the same rule of law as every citizen. Sustaining a democracy as envisioned by the working class through the Reform Acts of 1832 and 1867 will be nigh impossible as the government has granted itself too my out clauses with respect to moral and responsible behaviour. We need a written constitution, which is really only possible if we see a revolution or national anarchy.

Put it this way, if we do not prosecute and imprison the worst of the offenders, we are defeated. Forever.

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In my view, this whole attitude to high remuneration, youknow, 60K basic plus expenses, or allowances, as these are not even genuine expenses, more for ministers and the like, led to the severe mistakes with bankers being let off and being able to keep their ill gotten gains.

If you are living in an environment where the money your take is DESERVED, not by your skill, but because of your POSITION, then the concept of recompense for losing your position becomes quite logical. Failure and retribution do not come into the equation... the LOSER is the one losing his privilege, his power and his position, he NEEDS compensation.

Sir Fred, walked rings around the people who also were living according to their position, he KNEW how they thought, he was able to convince them the rightness of the compo he deserved.

Now we all know, that this is EXACTLY how MPS think.

Note also that many have said they are to step down at the next election.....this, according to the MSM, entitles them to another 50-100K of Exit expenses and allowances, those of course meant ot pay off staff and close down offices etc etc.

NExt Cameron is on the box now about July Kirkbride and her husband and their second home allowance claims....MARRIED, and both claiming different second homes, yet CAmeron says the cases are entirely separate.....CAMERON STILL DOES NOT GET IT DOES HE

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Angry aint the f ucking word for it Eric.

They talk about restoring the publics faith in MP's and the system, well sorry this is TERMINAL.

The only thing that would restore what little faith I had would be for the ones involved to step down immediatly or preferably for their leaders to sack them and a total reform of the expenses system.

Just having an election and or a reform doesn't cut it.

Furthermore we've got Widdecombe, the possible new speaker saying that she wasn't aware that anyone did fiddle their expences. She says do you think any of them would go round telling people. Well where did the expression flipping come from then , If everyone had kept their expenses activity to themselves ?

She's a lying cow.

Sack the lot, all parties must have new young blood waiting in the wings.

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Buying a few porn vids or £18k book case at tax payers exspence is nothing compared to the back handers these people are getting from contractors building things like the doom or tesco's demanding more cheap immigrant labour is let in to the country.

The word is called treason but our leaders think they have the system so sown up they can continue to get away with it.

Where were the police when 2 MP's got caught taking money for question who only got a suspension ! Don't tell me i know they were trying to dig dirt on the BNP or UKIP.

The illusion of democracy is wearing very thin indeed but maybe it's what the people deserve and if you don't start to stand up then the internet will be the next thing that gets taken over by these theives.

A vote for anyone but the 3 main parties is a vote for democracy not that the numbers can not be crunched

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....... they have the system so sown up they can continue to get away with it.

Where were the police when 2 MP's got caught taking money for question who only got a suspension ! Don't tell me i know they were trying to dig dirt on the BNP or UKIP.

Yup -- all true.....

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Buying a few porn vids or £18k book case at tax payers exspence is nothing compared to the back handers these people are getting from contractors building things like the doom or tesco's demanding more cheap immigrant labour is let in to the country.

Agreed I cant begin to imagine what goes on at a number of levels of politics. Of course they're all at it.

And we can still see the sh1t train rolls on, still dont get why we should pay Cameron's 1000+ mortgage interest, and wtf is Eric Pickles doing on the front page. Wouldn't have voted for em anyway but less so now.

http://www.conservatives.com/expenses/expensesPopup.html

Edit: (Liam Fox £698 mobile+data bill wtf)

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Yeah it makes me mad too, supposed to be the guardians of the nation, more like guardians of their own greed :angry:

And don't forget the Liar Claims

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One of the most brilliant articles I have ever read in a newspaper - here - http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/featur...er_disaster.php

"The housing boom begat the debt bubble, which begat the construction boom. The mania for property diverted investment from productive activity into real estate on a colossal scale. From Riga to Dublin, European cities are surrounded by thousands of acres of unfinished developments, many of which face being demolished because there's no money to complete them.

The housing boom has inflicted the devastation of a small war on the national finances of European countries from Spain to the Baltic. Vast sums of public money are being wasted by central banks buying toxic mortgage bonds from insolvent banks."

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One of the most brilliant articles I have ever read in a newspaper - here - http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/featur...er_disaster.php

"The housing boom begat the debt bubble, which begat the construction boom. The mania for property diverted investment from productive activity into real estate on a colossal scale. From Riga to Dublin, European cities are surrounded by thousands of acres of unfinished developments, many of which face being demolished because there's no money to complete them.

The housing boom has inflicted the devastation of a small war on the national finances of European countries from Spain to the Baltic. Vast sums of public money are being wasted by central banks buying toxic mortgage bonds from insolvent banks."

nothing new here about toxic waste....governments pay for ALL toxic waste to be disposed off....nuclear, coal sludge, pollutants.....the producer should pay.

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One of the most brilliant articles I have ever read in a newspaper - here - http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/featur...er_disaster.php

Iain Macwhirter's one of the few journalists that's been consistently on the ball about this. He had another piece in yesterday's Sunday Herald: How greed became God. It's largely about MP's expenses and ends

Some time after the turn of the century, as the property boom began in the south-east of England and bankers started paying themselves colossal bonuses, MPs stopped measuring themselves against the standards of their constituents and took to comparing themselves to the financial types they had taken to rubbing shoulders with in the City. From Tony Blair down, they resented seeing people with no better qualifications than they had earning mega-salaries. Unable to afford decent London houses, they used their flexible friend, the expense account, to even the score, surfing the housing boom to make themselves feel just that little bit richer. What never seems to have occurred to them was that the property bubble they were benefiting from was crucifying young families with debt.

Now the property bubble has burst and so has their credibility. Labour was captured by the financial interests in the City in much the same way as were the regulators in the Financial Services Authority. They felt both financially and intellectually inferior to the money managers, which is why they allowed the credit and property bubble to inflate to disastrous proportions. Tony Blair, true to form, got out when the going was good, and now has a comfortable sinecure in JP Morgan bank. But the rest of them, now dreading the prospect of having to face the voters in an election, have been left high and dry.

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I agree totally with the sentiment of this thread.

It is becoming clear that the bubble with all of its disastrous and destructive consequences was allowed to develop because the people in charge of the policies that should have prevented such obvious madness could play the property game - and enrich themselves - at the expense of the taxpayer.

No matter what they outcome for ordinary people this despicable bunch of thieves will get away with it because they will have already trousered the money, and the system protects them.

I would add too that this cancer will have reached out beyond parliament and the Lords, into the various public sector bodies and quangos where flawed policy and schemes are thought up and implemented. Biased by the prevalent VI.

Nobody asking: do we want this; is this the best thing for the country?

How on earth can HPI of 300% in a decade and having an economy based on selling overpriced houses to each other and racking up mind-boggling debt be a good thing, or healthy for the economy and its people - and more particularly the generations that are to follow.

I'm so angry. What these people have done is treasonable - they simply have not acted in the best interests of the country and they people they are supposed to serve.

<and breathes>

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I agree totally with the sentiment of this thread.

It is becoming clear that the bubble with all of its disastrous and destructive consequences was allowed to develop because the people in charge of the policies that should have prevented such obvious madness could play the property game - and enrich themselves - at the expense of the taxpayer.

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Many people feel the same. They are the silent majority imo.

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