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Navy warships dispatched as Spain invades seas around Gibraltar

Royal Navy warships have forced heavily armed Spanish ships to retreat from British waters around Gibraltar.

Relations between the 30,000 residents of the British outpost and mainland Spain have become strained following what the Foreign Office described as 'a violation of British sovereignty'.

The warships were dispatched after Spanish ships sent boarding parties to inspect fishing boats in British waters, despite having no authority to do so.

The Rock of Gibraltar

DISPUTE: Inhabitants are concerned the Spanish authorities want to control the British outpost of Gibraltar

The Rock's inhabitants fear Spain could damage their economy by making moves to seize control of its sea and air traffic.

The incident on May 8 is the latest in a long series since Britain was handed Gibraltar in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht.

The Spanish Government has refused to recognise that territorial waters were a part of that agreement and made repeated attempts to reclaim them.

For centuries Gibraltar has been a key strategic base for the Royal Navy.

The latest incident followed a day after Gibraltar's government vowed to block EU moves to give responsibility for the environment around the Rock to Spain.

A spokesman for Gibraltar's opposition GSLP/Liberal party said: 'The latest incident is far more serious than anything that has happened before. It represents a frontal challenge to British sovereignty, jurisdiction and control over Gibraltar's territorial sea.

'As such the UK must not only respond to Spain, but must also extract guarantees from Madrid that it will never happen again.'

Royal Navy warship HMS St Albans

STAND-OFF: The Royal Navy sent warships to see off Spanish vessels which had entered Gibraltar's waters

The Government said it had made strong protests to Madrid.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: 'It's a violation of British sovereignty and something we take very seriously indeed.

'We hope they will stop doing it.'

Madrid has not yet reacted.

A week before the latest incident a Spanish launch manned by paramilitary police was sent into Gibraltar's waters before being seen off by a Royal Navy patrol boat.

Weakness in the economy, government, military.... time for Gordon to step down.

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What a great way to take the Spanish and British people's minds off the economic disaster that their respective governments have caused.

They make encroaches upon Gib, we start sabre rattling. Both governments call on their people to "support the present government in this moment of crisis" and they both swing a few extra votes in the European elections.

Then after June 4th it all rapidly winds down.

Sorted.

Unfortunately Gordo I've already completed my postal vote. Otherwise I'd have voted for you. Honest.

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The Spaniards are not without some decent toys. The frigate you showed does have Harpoons, a very deadly ship sinking missile.

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Builders: NAVANTIA-IZAR, Astillero Ferrol

Operators: Naval flag of Spain Spanish Navy

Subclasses: Fridtjof Nansen class frigate

Hobart class destroyer

In commission: 4

Building: 2

Planned: 6

Active: Álvaro de Bazán

Almirante Juan de Borbón

Blas de Lezo

Méndez Núñez

General characteristics

Type: Guided missile frigate

Displacement: 6,250 tons full load

Length: 147m

Beam: 18.6m

Draft: 4.75m

Propulsion: CODAG

2 × General Electric LM2500 gas turbines

2 × Caterpillar 3600 diesel engines

Speed: 29+ knots

Range: 5000 mi

Complement: 240 (35 officers)

Sensors and

processing systems: Lockheed Martin AN/SPY-1D 3-D multifunction radar

Raytheon SPS-67(V)4 surface search radar

Raytheon DE1160 LF active and passive sonar

Thales Scout navigation radar

2 × Raytheon SPG-62 Mk99 radar illuminator

Electronic warfare

and decoys: 4 × FMC SRBOC Mk36 flare launchers

SLQ-25A Enhanced Nixie torpedo countermeasures

Indra SLQ-380 EW suite

CESELSA Elnath Mk 9000 interceptor

Armament: 1 × 5-inch/54 Mk45 Mod 2 gun

Provision for one CIWS FABA 20mm/120 Meroka system.

1 48 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems

32 × Standard SM-2MR Block IIIA

64 × RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile

8 × McDonnell Douglas RGM-84 Harpoon anti-shipping missile

4 × 324 mm Mk32 Mod 9 triple Torpedo launchers with 12 Honeywell Mk46 mod 5 Torpedo

Aircraft carried: 1 × Sikorsky SH-60B LAMPS III Seahawk

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Name: SPS Santa María (F81)

Laid down: 22 May 1982

Launched: 11 November 1984

Commissioned: 12 October 1986

Homeport: Rota, Cádiz

Fate: Active in service as of 2009

General characteristics

Class and type: Santa Maria-class frigate

Displacement: 2,851 long tons (2,897 t) light

3,610 long tons (3,668 t) standard

4,177 long tons (4,244 t) full load

Length: 138.8 m (455 ft 5 in)

Beam: 14.3 m (46 ft 11 in)

Draft: 8.6 m (28 ft 3 in)

Propulsion: 2 × General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines generating 41,000 shp (31 MW) coupled to a single shaft and controllable pitch propeller

Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)+

Armament: • OTO Melara Mk 75 76 mm/62 caliber naval gun

• Mk 32 triple-tube (324 mm) launcher for Mark 46 torpedoes

• Mk 13 Missile Launcher for RGM-84 Harpoon SSM and SM-1MR Block VIB SAM

• 20 mm Meroka CIWS 12 barrel AA system

Aircraft carried: SH-60 Seahawk LAMPS III helicopter

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Namesake: Prince of Asturias

Ordered: 29 May 1977

Builder: Bazán, Ferrol

Laid down: 8 October 1979

Launched: 22 May 1982

Sponsored by: Queen Sofía of Spain

Commissioned: 30 May 1988

Homeport: Rota naval air base

Status: Active

General characteristics

Displacement: 15,912 tons standard,

16,700 tons loaded

Length: 195.9 metres (643 ft)

Beam: 24.3 metres (80 ft)

Draught: 9.4 metres (31 ft)

Propulsion: 2 × General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines in COGAG configuration, one shaft, 46,400 shp

Speed: 26 knots (48 km/h)

Range: 6,500 nautical miles (12,000 km) at 20 knots (37 km/h)

Complement: 763 (total); 600 ship crew, 230 air crew

Sensors and

processing systems: Raytheon SPS-52C/D 3D air search radar, ISC Cardion SPS-55 surface search radar, ITT SPN-35A aircraft control radar, FABA SPG-M2B fire control radar, SELEX Sistemi Integrati RTN-11L/X missile approach warning radar, Selex RAN 12 L target designation radar

Electronic warfare

and decoys: Nettunel electronic countermeasures unit, Super RBOC, Sensytech AN/SLQ-25 Nixie decoy

Armament: 4 x FABA Meroka Mod 2B CIWS, 12 × Oerlikon L120 20 mm guns

Aircraft carried: 29 fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft

Aviation facilities: 12° ski jump 46.5 m in length

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Operators: Naval flag of France French Navy

Naval flag of Spain Spanish Navy

Naval flag of Pakistan Pakistan Navy

Preceded by: Daphné class submarine

Succeeded by: Rubis class submarine

Scorpène class submarine

In commission: 1977 - Active in service in Spain and Pakistan

General characteristics

Class and type: submarine

Displacement:

Geneva: 1,230 long tons Surface displacement: 1,500 long tons

Submerged displacement: 2,050 long tons (Pakistan), 1,760 long tons (France, Spain)

Length:

67 metres (France, Spain)

76 metres (Pakistan)

Beam: 6.80 metres

Speed: 20.5 kt

Snorting speed: 10.5 kt

Surfaced speed: 12 kt

Test depth:

300 metres (France, Spain)

350 metres (Pakistan)

Complement:

5 officers

36 men

Sensors and

processing systems:

Thomson CSF DRUA 33 Radar Thomson Sintra DSUV 22 DUUA 2D Sonar DUUA 1D Sonar DUUX 2 Sonar

DSUV 62A towed array

Armament:

SM 39 Exocet 4 × 550 mm bow torpedo tubes.

ECAN L5 Mod 3 & ECAN Fl7 Mod 2 torpedoes

Notes:

Ships in class include: France: Agosta, Bévéziers, La Praya, OuessantSpain: Galerna, Siroco, Mistral, Tramontana

Pakistan:

Hashmat, Hurmat, Khalid, Saad, Hamza

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SPECIFICATIONS

Displacement: 2,000 tons submerged

Dimensions: 76 x 7.8 x ?? meters.

Propulsion: AIP Bazan/DCN MESMA, 1 shaft, 20 knots

Crew: 32

Sonar: Thomson Sintra DMUX 20 multifunction bow, TSM DSUV 62C towed?

Radar: TSM DRUA 33C?

Fire control : SAT and DLA-3 ?

Armament: 6 torpedo tubes (18 torpedoes and missiles)

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We urgently need to send thousands of young men and women to mainland Spain and the Islands that fly the Spanish flag. We must destroy the coastal areas. We must let them know we are strong. Piss in the street, fight the locals, cause mayhem.

It is important that you let your fellow Brits know you are there and strike fear into the Spanish cowards.

Hang Union Flags from balconies. I know the mission will be difficult and sometimes it makes the bravest sick but it`s ok to be sick for your country.

Make us proud.

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As far as I can make out the Spanish do not put guns on their frigates.

Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Numvenezia.jpg

Guns are only useful for providing cheap artillery support to ground troops close to coastal areas.. Most navies have removed them completely. However the RN found the capability useful in the Falklands and have included small guns in even the newest frigate design.

Builders: BVT Surface Fleet

Operators: Royal Navy

Preceded by: Type 42

In commission: 2009

Building: 4

Planned: 6

Completed: 2 (1 x Delivered; 1 x Sea trials)

General characteristics

Type: Guided missile destroyer

Displacement: 7,205 tonnes Light Seagoing

(8,092 tonnes Deep load)

(both figures are 'start of life')

Length: 152.4 m (500 ft)

Beam: 21.2 m (69.5 ft)

Draught: 7.4 m (16.4 ft)

Propulsion: 2 shafts Integrated Electric Propulsion;

2 Rolls-Royce WR-21 gas turbines (21.5 MW)

2 Converteam electric motors (20 MW)

Speed: 29+ knots[1]

Range: 7,000 nautical miles (13,000 km) at economical speed

Complement: 190 (accommodation for up to 235)

Sensors and

processing systems: SAMPSON multi-function air tracking radar

S1850M 3-D air surveillance radar

2 x Raytheon X-band Radar

(Type 1047)

1 x Raytheon S-band Radar

(Type 1048)[2]

MFS-7000 sonar

Armament: SYLVER missile launcher

48 x MBDA Aster missiles

(Aster 15 and Aster 30)

2 x Phalanx 20 mm close-in weapons systems

1 x 4.5 inch (113 mm) Mk 8 mod 1 gun

2 x Oerlikon 30 mm KCB guns on DS-30B mounts

NATO Seagnat countermeasures launchers

SSTDS underwater decoy

Aircraft carried: 1 x Lynx HMA 8 helicopter

or 1 x Merlin HM1 helicopter[3]

Aviation facilities: Hangar & flightdeck

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Nah, the only thing the Dons have is a long and noble tradition of getting stuffed by us at sea.

Idiot’s fleet strength comparison

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy#Fleet_composition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Navy#Current_Fleet

And remember Benidorm gets burned shortly after kicking out time on night one. The ICF, the Head Hunters, the Zulus and all the other crews will make the Madrid bombings look like a teddy bear’s pick nick.

By the end of the week we’ll be going over by the bus load to smash up Barcelona.

A scrawny little junkie tried to mug me in Barcelona on New Years Eve 2001/2. Sometimes Christmas does come twice a year.

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And on the rubbish,

“Guns are only useful for providing cheap artillery support to ground troops close to coastal areas …”

That is exactly what the Argentines at Grvtviken said in April 1982 after the Antrim and Portsmouth had done their stuff.

“Cheap”?

Looks to me like someone knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

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“The Spaniards are not without some decent toys.”

Yeah, they share their toys with Pakistan, a world class blue water navy if ever there was one.

“Ships in class include: France: Agosta, Bévéziers, La Praya, OuessantSpain: Galerna, Siroco, Mistral, Tramontana

Pakistan: Hashmat, Hurmat, Khalid, Saad, Hamza”

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Could be Gordon's 'Falklands' moment. A way to unite the country behind our 'glorious' leader.

It would be easier than Argy bashing coz Spains a lot nearer.

And the UK is going to ... defeat Spain? :lol:

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We urgently need to send thousands of young men and women to mainland Spain and the Islands that fly the Spanish flag. We must destroy the coastal areas. We must let them know we are strong. Piss in the street, fight the locals, cause mayhem.

It is important that you let your fellow Brits know you are there and strike fear into the Spanish cowards.

Hang Union Flags from balconies. I know the mission will be difficult and sometimes it makes the bravest sick but it`s ok to be sick for your country.

Make us proud.

You are taking the piss. Right?

Video record of a previous Anglo-Irish attempt that ended in a drunken piss up:

UK devalues its currency against its main trading partners, despite being part of a customs union. Then it uses "anti-terror" legislation against an ally - Iceland. Then it threatens territorial aggression against another ally - Spain.

Time to get out of the EU and admit to the rest of the world that we hate them and are fully intent on defaulting on all our debt. Plain sailing ... to third world status.

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And the French. Last time we had a run in with the French, at Mers el Kebir, the French didn’t even shoot back. Not that it makes much difference, we stuff the French whether they shoot or not but personally I would not want to be playing with loser’s kit.

In his book, the Cruel Sea, Nicholas Monsarrat did not have much that was nice to say about the free French navy and that was the part of their navy that was willing to fight, well …. sort of.

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And on the rubbish,

“Guns are only useful for providing cheap artillery support to ground troops close to coastal areas …”

That is exactly what the Argentines at Grvtviken said in April 1982 after the Antrim and Portsmouth had done their stuff.

“Cheap”?

Looks to me like someone knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Errrr which is why I said... "However the RN found the capability useful in the Falklands and have included small guns in even the newest frigate design."

And yes it's cheap, incredibly so... cheaper than CAS and much more cost effective than transporting, setting up and protecting traditional land based artillery.

But is it an effective substitue for CAS or real heavy naval artillery support? Ba-Boom - ummm no - it's only a peashooter in comparison.

But the concept might get a lease of life thanks to the Yanks who sorely miss the heavy battlewagons..

AGS

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And the French. Last time we had a run in with the French, at Mers el Kebir, the French didn’t even shoot back. Not that it makes much difference, we stuff the French whether they shoot or not but personally I would not want to be playing with loser’s kit.

In his book, the Cruel Sea, Nicholas Monsarrat did not have much that was nice to say about the free French navy and that was the part of their navy that was willing to fight, well …. sort of.

And as for rubbish..

Maybe they didn't shoot back because France was not at war with Britain and indeed was conducting negotations..

"Before negotiations were formally terminated, British Fairey Swordfish planes escorted by obsolete Blackburn Skuas were dispatched from the carrier Ark Royal to drop magnetic mines in the path of the French ships' route to sea. This force was intercepted by French Curtiss H-75 fighters. While none of the Swordfish were lost, thanks to the escorting Skuas, one of the Skuas was shot down by French fighters and crashed into the sea, killing its crew. Those were the only fatalities of the conflict for the British [5].

A short while later, on Churchill's instructions, the British ships opened fire against their former ally. [4]

Not exatly an honorable act and possibly a war crime if you think about it.

"The British opened fire at extreme range on 3 July 1940 at 16:56. The French eventually replied but ineffectively. The third salvo from the British force and the first to hit resulted in a magazine explosion aboard Bretagne, which sank with 977 of her crew dead at 17:09. After some thirty salvos, the French ships stopped firing."

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“Errrr which is why I said... "However the RN found the capability useful in the Falklands and have included small guns in even the newest frigate design."

And yes it's cheap, incredibly so... cheaper than CAS and much more cost effective than transporting, setting up and protecting traditional land based artillery.

But is it an effective substitue for CAS or real heavy naval artillery support? Ba-Boom - ummm no - it's only a peashooter in comparison.

But the concept might get a lease of life thanks to the Yanks who sorely miss the heavy battlewagons..

AGS”

Crap.

You were just trying to have a cheap dig at the senior service while hedging in an instinctively ill informed and cowardly fashion.

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“Maybe they didn't shoot back because …. “

How naïve can you get?

France capitulates. France has a powerful Mediterranean fleet.

If you were in command of that fleet you would not let it just sit idle at anchor while your erstwhile ally circles your harbour with murderous intent buckling itself up for its date with destiny.

You would have your shore based aircraft primed and ready to go. You would have your shore batteries twitching at readiness, hopefully only just able to control the white hot hatred that is necessary to be controlled to be at your most effective in combat. You would have your sailors itching to prove that just because the Army of France has collapsed, the navy is full of men in possession of courage and honour. Men that will not be pushed around by Germans or Brits or anyone else.

If you were in command of that fleet you would have made sure that if the Royal Navy

were thinking of bossing you about by sailing around somewhere outside your harbour

the Royal Navy would have been sailing around in a trap!

The second the Royal navy opened fire on your ships and on your boys you would have hit them with a well primed, well prepared sledge hammer and sent them skulking back off beyond the horizon.

Luckily for all of us, you were not in command of that fleet.

It was some dim French fanny who was not prepared and did not expect to have to do any duty and so a lot of decent geysers got killed in very sad circumstances.

What’s the point of all of this?

The point is the Royal Navy is a superb navy with a tradition of victory and the French navy has always been a waste of money and space.

And you want to nail your colours to their mast.

Maybe, in a previous life you were in command at Mers el Kebir. Or at the least some staff officer who made a serious contribution to that fleet being useless.

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If anyone is interested in this stuff, have a look at Percy Hobart, Ralph Alger Bagnold, J F C Fuller, Liddell Hart and Orde Wingate.

Interesting geysers.

I think you will find that is geezers,old yiddisher word.A geyser is a hot water spout.

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