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Should Classroom Punishment Be Like This?

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Expulsion from the education system, three strikes and you're out. No signing up to the other comp down the road once you've been expelled. Your education at that point is over.

This is the only punishment fit in today's society. Resources should be allocated to those who want to learn, not to those who couldn't give a toss. I'd argue we should be letting them out at 15 again, as I doubt a few GCSE F's and G's would make much of a difference to their employment prospects as opposed to leaving school with none.

Get them to do something else. If they don't, then they will not qualify for benefits once they turn 18, EVER.

Something has got to give.

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Growing up in the late 60's/early 70's every school had teachers like that, often blokes who had fought in the war and weren't scared to put the boot in.

My woodwork teacher had a large, metal plate in his skull from WW2, he would think nothing of belting you, yet we thought he was a right character.

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Expulsion from the education system, three strikes and you're out. No signing up to the other comp down the road once you've been expelled. Your education at that point is over.

This is the only punishment fit in today's society. Resources should be allocated to those who want to learn, not to those who couldn't give a toss. I'd argue we should be letting them out at 15 again, as I doubt a few GCSE F's and G's would make much of a difference to their employment prospects as opposed to leaving school with none.

Get them to do something else. If they don't, then they will not qualify for benefits once they turn 18, EVER.

Something has got to give.

+1

What is really annoying is that often the expelled pupils get moved to the good/oversubscribed schools, which have been forced to turn away plenty of willing pupils.

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Funny on a video, but not funny if you were an orphan in an Irish Industrial School 10-20 years ago.

Strange comparison. :unsure: That guy doing all the acting up did not look vulnerable to me. He looked a real *rse. So he cannot complain when someone draws the line closer than he'd like. It wasn't as tho' he had no warning.

I sometimes wonder if we'd still have all terrible vandalism - where they film someone getting their head kicked in - if a few more of them had that to look forward to. :ph34r:

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Yes, the best way to turn out a balanced human being is to use violence on them, it's for their own good.

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Yes, the best way to turn out a balanced human being is to use violence on them, it's for their own good.

We had corporal punishment at my school growing up in the 50's/60's. Did it do me any harm? Nope because I wasn't daft enough to get it-I was a good little chap. The ones who did get the wack didn't generally re-offend.

We have had no punishment in schools since the 70's generally. In my book it's been given enough time. Has it failed? Results speak for themselves. "Spare the rod spoil the child". Sorry if this offends you and maybe it never worked and never will on a few psychos but that's not the point. If it sorts out the other 99% then it's a price worth paying. I accept that parents play a role (mine did) but most parents of my generation were happy to hand over the discipline to teachers from 9 till 4.

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We had corporal punishment at my school growing up in the 50's/60's. Did it do me any harm? Nope because I wasn't daft enough to get it-I was a good little chap. The ones who did get the wack didn't generally re-offend.

We have had no punishment in schools since the 70's generally. In my book it's been given enough time. Has it failed? Results speak for themselves. "Spare the rod spoil the child". Sorry if this offends you and maybe it never worked and never will on a few psychos but that's not the point. If it sorts out the other 99% then it's a price worth paying. I accept that parents play a role (mine did) but most parents of my generation were happy to hand over the discipline to teachers from 9 till 4.

I agree entirely. The trouble is that many of the "good" teachers (the ones who were able to keep discipline when they had the tools in the box) have become disillusioned at the lack of discipline encouraged by the nanny system they have to work in and have retired early or taken work which doesn't involve the same hassle/lack of respect.

We will need to get out of europe and change our views on human rights before a return to the good old days will become a reality.........sadly.

I would love to see the change brought about - to never again have to hear a miscreant saying: "I know my rights!"

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I used to be thrashed with a wooden spoon, hairbrush, anything solid really, whenever I lied. Did it stop me being a liar or turn me into a better liar? The latter.

I don't think it did my confidence any good and it certainly didn't stop me playing up. I'm now of the opinion that use of force on children is wrong, and usually only applied because the parent has lost control of their emotions.

I know kids can wind you up to unbelievable levels of anger, but that's no excuse for resorting to violence. You wouldn't do it to another adult.

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I used to be thrashed with a wooden spoon, hairbrush, anything solid really, whenever I lied. Did it stop me being a liar or turn me into a better liar? The latter.

I don't think it did my confidence any good and it certainly didn't stop me playing up. I'm now of the opinion that use of force on children is wrong, and usually only applied because the parent has lost control of their emotions.

I know kids can wind you up to unbelievable levels of anger, but that's no excuse for resorting to violence. You wouldn't do it to another adult.

Actually, looking at the case of Baby P's mother - I would. :ph34r:

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Growing up in the late 60's/early 70's every school had teachers like that, often blokes who had fought in the war and weren't scared to put the boot in.

My woodwork teacher had a large, metal plate in his skull from WW2, he would think nothing of belting you, yet we thought he was a right character.

Yes I remember teachers like that!

My woodwork teacher had nine and a half fingers. Put me off woodwork! :(

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I think that punishment - whether physical or not - won't work unless it is FAIR. Like the time I got the cane for supposedly talking in class but it was the girl behind me.

I did NOT resent it more than the week's detention I got, for denying that I had copied my homework off my friend - If truth be known we had both used MY encyclopedia to get the answer.

The teacher who imposed the latter on me, I hated for the rest of my time at school - even tho' he had always hitherto made a huge fuss of me - earning me the label of 'teacher's pet'.

I think ids can accept a punishment, if it is seen as deserved.

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classes need to implement a progressive 3 strikes rule

Offence 1: Talk to child

Offence 2: Kneecap child

Offence 3: Decapitate child

This will also have the benefit of getting rid of the misbehaving from the general populus

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I used to be thrashed with a wooden spoon, hairbrush, anything solid really, whenever I lied. Did it stop me being a liar or turn me into a better liar? The latter.

I don't think it did my confidence any good and it certainly didn't stop me playing up. I'm now of the opinion that use of force on children is wrong, and usually only applied because the parent has lost control of their emotions.

I know kids can wind you up to unbelievable levels of anger, but that's no excuse for resorting to violence. You wouldn't do it to another adult.

I am really interested in this. 'Scuse me it is my specialist background. :unsure: I am more intrigued as to the circs. in which you lied, and WHY you lied., ans how old you were, as kids don't always see lies as wrong...just different. It also sounds parentally administered.

Yup I'd be interested in the answers with my therapist's hat on - I really would. B)

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I am really interested in this. 'Scuse me it is my specialist background. :unsure: I am more intrigued as to the circs. in which you lied, and WHY you lied., ans how old you were, as kids don't always see lies as wrong...just different. It also sounds parentally administered.

Yup I'd be interested in the answers with my therapist's hat on - I really would. B)

Yes, this was parental discipline. My mother was the one who applied the physical punishment, Dad tried it once but his heart wasn't in it. As to when it began, I don't know for sure, but certainly as far back as my memory goes...certainly from 3 or 4 years old, up until I was in my early teens.

The lies were sometimes trivial, excuses for being late back from playing outside, sometimes more important, about having lost something valuable, or completing homework.

Basically, Mum and Dad are good folks, but I think they applied far too much "micro-management" on me and I pushed back. I don't blame them entirely, I was a lazy kid sometimes and it must've been frustrating when my school report came back with "Must try harder".

I'm of the opinion that we lost respect for each other at some point and that was that. It didn't return until I left home and made my own way in life.

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