panj1 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 It is globalisation that built the British Empire. There is no doubt that over the last 200+ years standards of living have improved in Europe as a result of European's going out and trading internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a+b+c+d Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Time for a simple poll which I ran a few months back - I want to see if attitudes have changed in the interim. I would be very grateful for your comments (neg or positive) in order to keep this topic near the top for as long as possible to get as big a sample as possible - I think it is important to test peoples opinions on this matter that in my opinion has its filthy hands in every aspect of the collapse of the United Kingdom.I contend that Globalism is Treason - our parliament and our sovereignty is not for sale or discussion without our say - we the people have not been consulted on this the most basic of inalienable rights - our rights to be British and our rights to have and control our own Government. Our rights to control our own destiny. The Lisbon Treaty and others have flown in the face of our most basic democratic rights. VicMac, You better tell me what you mean by 'Globalism'. Is it something to do with a free market in which there are no hindrances to trade nor protectionism? Is it something that 'they' (whoever they are) organise against the wishes of the 'people'? (I don't know how anyone knows what we, the individual members of the general public, want in any case.) The tone of your post suggests to me that you want some Little England in which we grow and sell our own, bent, bananas and cucumbers and keep the filthy foreign stuff out. Never mind efficiency or competition. 'Lets re-start the Triumph and BSA motorbike factories and put punitive customs duties on 'orrible imports. Let's all write with Parker Pens made Somewhere in England and send letters on Basildon Bond letter paper.' Is that what you're on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I have already answered that question in an earlier conversation - there is a very detailed description of Globalism on Wikipedia - look it up. Now you might do me the courtesy of explaining what so called 'free trade is' and while you are at it you might explain to our posters the calamity it has caused to our manufacturing base and to our nation in general. Free trade is like a lot of free things (when you investigate further noting is for free - free trade so called comes with price attached that our nation simply cannot afford to pay................. VicMac,You better tell me what you mean by 'Globalism'. Is it something to do with a free market in which there are no hindrances to trade nor protectionism? Is it something that 'they' (whoever they are) organise against the wishes of the 'people'? (I don't know how anyone knows what we, the individual members of the general public, want in any case.) The tone of your post suggests to me that you want some Little England in which we grow and sell our own, bent, bananas and cucumbers and keep the filthy foreign stuff out. Never mind efficiency or competition. 'Lets re-start the Triumph and BSA motorbike factories and put punitive customs duties on 'orrible imports. Let's all write with Parker Pens made Somewhere in England and send letters on Basildon Bond letter paper.' Is that what you're on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Globalisation is not what Britain was doing - it was creating an Empire. Globalisation by its nature has no national identity - and seeks to remove national identity. Indeed it may well be construed that this was the UK trying to protect her interests (from other coutries that were simultaneously empire building - though that is indeed very debatable. Was it right or was it wrong? That is an entirely different debate (to which I have very many misgivings). That was then this is now. Globalisation on the other hand relies on British Subjects for whatever reason betraying their national interest - therin lieth the difference. It is globalisation that built the British Empire. There is no doubt that over the last 200+ years standards of living have improved in Europe as a result of European's going out and trading internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well there is certainly a difference in ideaology about how such global society should be run. even within the EU there is a stand-off between a more free-market "british" version and a heavily socialised "german" model. that's always been there,and right now there does seem to be a real battle of wills going on...with a few dirty tricks thrown in. Personally I think it's a mistake neglecting the rest of our buddies in the commonwealth like the canadians and the aussies. WHY do we have to partition them into different gorups like NAU/Eurozone etc when the solution seems perfectly clear... we are all NATO countries,already have a mutual defence pact....so why not go one step further and have the trade and monetary union too??.......the NATOzone. if germany wishes to have a more micromanaged style of governance then the UN model probably suits her best and and she could join that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 How about we just be British and look after our own interests - and if the Aussies and Canadians and whoever wish to step back from Globalisation and seek closer links with the UK so be it. But lets not have any entangling alliances with Globalist money sucking plots be they NATO or the EU. Lets have Govt of the people for the people and by the people of the United Kingdom. Have we not faith in our own abilities to move forward without the assistance of corrupt Globalism? Well there is certainly a difference in ideaology about how such global society should be run.even within the EU there is a stand-off between a more free-market "british" version and a heavily socialised "german" model. that's always been there,and right now there does seem to be a real battle of wills going on...with a few dirty tricks thrown in. Personally I think it's a mistake neglecting the rest of our buddies in the commonwealth like the canadians and the aussies. WHY do we have to partition them into different gorups like NAU/Eurozone etc when the solution seems perfectly clear... we are all NATO countries,already have a mutual defence pact....so why not go one step further and have the trade and monetary union too??.......the NATOzone. if germany wishes to have a more micromanaged style of governance then the UN model probably suits her best and and she could join that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpe Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Time for a simple poll which I ran a few months back - I want to see if attitudes have changed in the interim. I would be very grateful for your comments (neg or positive) in order to keep this topic near the top for as long as possible to get as big a sample as possible - I think it is important to test peoples opinions on this matter that in my opinion has its filthy hands in every aspect of the collapse of the United Kingdom.I contend that Globalism is Treason - our parliament and our sovereignty is not for sale or discussion without our say - we the people have not been consulted on this the most basic of inalienable rights - our rights to be British and our rights to have and control our own Government. Our rights to control our own destiny. The Lisbon Treaty and others have flown in the face of our most basic democratic rights. It all depends what you call Globalism? Can an elected government not sign any trade agreement with a foreign country? The current situation where people in the US or Japan can make huge decisions based on things like exchange rates that affect factories in the UK is fairly unacceptable. I support a truly democratic Globalism. (I would not consider our Parliament Democratic - it is a polyarchy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Does anyone here imagine for a moment that the leadership of China would allow their own nation to be done over the way the UK has been by cheap foreign labour and outsourcing? Of course not- the Chinese leadership put the interests of their nation first- unlike the corrupt scum that lead us, who are too busy planning their post political careers on the boards of the corporations. We have been sold the idea that what is good for the corporations is good for the nation- that all that wealth would 'trickle down' to the 'flexible' workforce. 'Globalisation' is just a fancy wrapper for good old exploitation, both of the home population and the poor bastards in the sweatshops abroad- it lends a spurious legitimacy to the ongoing transfer of wealth to the top 1% of the population. And that 1% are too blinded by greed to work out that sooner of later they will have extracted so much wealth out the system that it cease to function and will fall, taking them down with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 You have hit the nail on the head - which is why their actions in support for Globalism are undemocratic and in the cases of some 'treasonable' - we have never been given an opportunity to debate this most iniquitous destroyer of the United Kingdom, its laws, its parliamentary democracy, its employment and its people. Please start to identify the source of all our problems, and not the problems themselves. It is only when you can destroy the source that you can begin to rebuild our once great nation. Perhaps I could be so bold as to suggest the source of the problem is our individual reluctance to see the nature of the problem and to set a course to defeat those that so boldly destroy our country. What is it that they say - 'all that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing' Does anyone here imagine for a moment that the leadership of China would allow their own nation to be done over the way the UK has been by cheap foreign labour and outsourcing?Of course not- the Chinese leadership put the interests of their nation first- unlike the corrupt scum that lead us, who are too busy planning their post political careers on the boards of the corporations. We have been sold the idea that what is good for the corporations is good for the nation- that all that wealth would 'trickle down' to the 'flexible' workforce. 'Globalisation' is just a fancy wrapper for good old exploitation, both of the home population and the poor bastards in the sweatshops abroad- it lends a spurious legitimacy to the ongoing transfer of wealth to the top 1% of the population. And that 1% are too blinded by greed to work out that sooner of later they will have extracted so much wealth out the system that it cease to function and will fall, taking them down with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Once again the majority of respondents to this post have voted in their opinion that Gobalism is a form of treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vicmac64 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 This post is now off topic. And thats OK - thanks for giving it airspace - the results are telling again - - - the majority of those that took the poll agree with the statement 'In your opinion is Globalism is a form of High Treason?' I haven't given up on my country yet - there are still too many good people about to give up on this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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