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The problem isnt with a majority, but a subsection of people in social house.... the problem is what do you do with the dregs of society, where do you put them?

It used to be prison, and mental hospitals. Now it's care in the community! :(

Now my dad worked in a mental institution, for 30 years! The people in there weren't dangerous, not bad enough for prison, not mad enough for sectioning, they weren't nasty, but,

they couldn't really look after themselves, and would probably get into some sort of trouble, if left unattended.

Now the modern equivalents are begging and robbing for drugs in the street.

Who looks after them now?

Not my dad. He retired!

These "institutions" probably weren't that great, but nobody takes responsibilty for that particular problem now!

They got bed and fed, and didn't have to "perform" to sell the "Big Issue"!

What went wrong, or was it right? :(

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On the development I live in we have a number of general needs and shared ownership housing. I was talking to another resident who was out walking her dog and the topic of social housing came up. She actually lived in a general needs property, but is annoyed by the behaviour of some of the other social housing residents.

To quote her "I can tell you which are the social houses here, just from the condition of their front gardens"

We have a particular problem with a "special needs" tenant. A local drug dealer, so streams of adolescents at all hours of the day and night getting their next fix. The local policeman and the housing association are aware of the problems but seem to be frustrated in their efforts to solve the problem. Solving it for us means foisting the miscreant on others.

I agree that not all social housing occupants are a nuisance and that some perhaps the majority are thoroughly decent people. But how can some of the posters on this thread defend the nuisance makers and criticise any one who objects to the anti social behaviour of the "social" tenants. I was brought up on a council estate and yes there were a few families that behaved badly, didn't look after their houses or gardens, whose children made a nuisance of themselves. But they were met with general disapproval from the majority and they were kept in check.

From my observations mixing the social tenants in owner occupied developments has the effect of dragging every one down. It certainly doesn't have, what I presume is the desired effect, of bringing everyones behaviour up to a better standard.

So yes I think the owner occupiers of the houses from Bellway have every right to be angry.

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This has been happening for a while now. The ironic thing is that most housing associations are in deep financial trouble as well. Lots have sold bonds to the government with the most recent being Places for People selling over £150 million worth of bonds to keep itself afloat. Housing associations are no different from private landlords really apart from heavier regulation and very poor tenants. Expect some big housing associations to go bust in less than 2 years. bonds are loans and in the end must be paid back.

These estates will end up being worthless. Those 500k executive houses will be worth less than 100k in less than a year and all thanks to Brown.

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Actually it works very well in Holland. It just takes a generation for it to work, if you cancel it when the first bad headline comes around ofc it won't work...

Maybe it does work well in Holland, maybe it works well in many other countries but this is Britain. This is not new socialist dogma but failed repeated socialist dogma.

When the slums of Manchester were emptied they built the overspill estates in leafy Cheshire in the belief this would drag the scum up. It didn't hasn't worked, just getto's now of scum. Hattersley estate is a good example of building a blight in what was once a nice area.

It's BS.

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This seems to be from their last residents meeting.

Minutes – Residents Association meeting – 11th February 2009

Lindford Village Hall

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The exchange and completion of the purchase of 20 properties took place on 29 January.

Residents present once again expressed their anger at having not been notified by the developer about the decision and that the ratio of private / affordable housing was now not inline with the original plan they had agreed with when they purchased their properties. They would be taking this matter forward to the developer and East Hants District Council.

Some residents expressed their concern towards the calibre of some of the Kingfisher residents who had already moved in.

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Flooding

Some residents reported flooding on an area of the open space. At the previous meeting Ian Skelton Smith explained that a pump had been put in place to combat this problem in the event of heavy rain. Residents at this meeting however had been to look at the pump and noticed that it was not connected. Action: RP to liaise with developer to establish when the pump would be in working order.

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Commercial vehicles

Residents raised the point that there were more and more commercial vehicles appearing on the estate.

http://www.thechase.org/post/Minutes-e2809...ruary-2009.aspx

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Mileton Keenz probably

Call me heartless, but the imminent death of Jade Goody seems to represent to me an imminent broader psychological death of everything that was wrong about the last ten years, i.e the get-rich-quick-for-doing-nothing-worthwhile mentality, the culture of bling-bling, of boasting and of accumulating pointless material things, the ethos of ignorance and the "I'm all right Jack, so fock you" school of thought. I'm hoping that once we come out of the other side of this thing, then we may all return to a more sustainable, kinder, way of life. Here's hoping, anyway...

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Interestingly, from the research I have seen you are right and wrong. It seems that putting the 'scum' in next to 'decent folk' does absolutely nothing for the 'scum'. It does however do a great deal for their children. The kids mix with children who have better parents and start to realise that they can do something useful with their lives if they act like the majority of those around them instead of like their parents. So, yes you're right, it doesn't drag the scum up - but it does drag up their children. It's a great idea to mix some of the more difficult families into good areas because it lessens social issues in the future. However, like everything this government has done, it will be done badly and fail.

I suspect the 'scum' density has to be kept extremely low for anything good to come of the social housing being mixed in with the more well off housing (and no, I don't think everyone in social housing are scum).

And the effect of ones children mixing with the "council homed" ? "I want a nintendo DS, I want a Wii, I want to watch the simpsons, mummy, why can't we have SKY, is it ok to say ********" Thanks for that."

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Perfectly true. Education is the route to social mobility.

You misunderstood me

It wouldn't solve the problem, because the increased interest in social mobility would just ramp up the costs of being socially mobile by ramping up the price of real estate. This is why so many of our perverse social problems seem unaddressable and intransigent; they are actually the result of a fundamental cost -benefit problem in the real estate market.

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You misunderstood me

It wouldn't solve the problem, because the increased interest in social mobility would just ramp up the costs of being socially mobile by ramping up the price of real estate. This is why so many of our perverse social problems seem unaddressable and intransigent; they are actually the result of a fundamental cost -benefit problem in the real estate market.

Disagree.

The problem is people who won't behave in an acceptable way. Not much starvation in the UK these days, so poor people over here live in unimaginable luxury to poor people elsewhere. Even homelessness is nowhere near as bad as in other countries, even the good ol' USA - read the post about tent cities.

It is nothing to do with cost-benefit problems in real estate markets. It's about a lack of self control, lack of self discipline, a total lack of consideration for anyone else. Nothing more really than pure selfishness. It's their own fault because they lack even the will to behave responsibly and consider the consequences of their actions on others. Why you want someone or something else to excuse them from blame is an attitude I don't understand.

We all have a choice. We choose how to respond to any situation we find ourselves in. In some the choice is to become selfish, inconsiderate and excuse themselves from blame. How often we hear the lament "it's not my fault". Of course it is.

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I bet you have never lived next door to someone who doesnt give one thought for others let alone themselves (I have in the past) who take no pride in themselves so hate everyone else and cause noise,problems,and generally create an atmosphere of fear,misery and worthlesness in their immediate neighbourhood.

There are some decent and nice people in social housing but unfortunately they are worn down by the feckless,useless,uncaring,workshy donkies.

Actually, I have. So a little less of the assumtions please.

I had neighbours who's kids were nightmares - noisy, swearing, being generall obnoxious. Letting their dog wander a poo over anyone and everyone's garden. They hadley ever looked after it, so it would sit at the gate and yap for hours on end.

They ran an illegal business from their house (the missus had her own 'business' that she ran while hubby was at work)

They harrassed another neighbour so much that he suffered a heart attack. They regularly blocked people's drives, then swore at them when asked to move. They would stand in the street at night and have blazing rows about the missus' indescretions. She ran my Dad over when he was stood on the pavement, becuase he didn't immediately jump out of her way when she wanted to park there and block the neighbours drive again. We had our tyres slashed twice by them. They bought the next house along when they'd harrassed those neighbours so much that they felt they had to move. It was rented out to people who partied a lot, finally resulting in a fatal stabbing outside our house.

Oh, in in case you're wondering, they weren't 'council house scum' they were owner occupiers. So, again, fewer assumptions about who the bad neighbours are.

On the plus side, they seem to have mewed too much, and have had to move to a much cheaper house and rent out the other one to cover the mortgage. The neighbourhood breathed a sigh of relief. There may even have been a few bottles cracked open once they had gone.

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Call me heartless, but the imminent death of Jade Goody seems to represent to me an imminent broader psychological death of everything that was wrong about the last ten years, i.e the get-rich-quick-for-doing-nothing-worthwhile mentality, the culture of bling-bling, of boasting and of accumulating pointless material things, the ethos of ignorance and the "I'm all right Jack, so fock you" school of thought. I'm hoping that once we come out of the other side of this thing, then we may all return to a more sustainable, kinder, way of life. Here's hoping, anyway...

I had this same thought when I heard about Jade Goody recently, though I did not express it to anyone! Interesting that she is conducting her last days in a publicity explosion in order to raise cash to ensure her sons get a good private education. Even Jade, in her own way, realises what is important.

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I feel sorry for this guy. I'd hate to move into a new build and pay the premium for it to have some antisocial bastards turn it into an estate. Yes, estates are horrible places, I know because I spent a few years living on one.

I was in a new build renting a couple of years back and next door moved in, blatant social bastards, always loud and anti-social, dog was shitting all over our balcony shared balcony from under the partition etc.

HOW ON EARTH ARE WE GONNA GET URBAN ARMAGEDDON IF WE DONT FOLLOW THE CURRENT PATH , THERES FAR TOO MANY SNOBS AROUND , MORE NEW BUILDS,BUILT BADLY AT EXORBITANT PRICES , THE UK TAKES IT UP THE AR$E TIME AND TIME AGAIN , ALL THIS BAD STUFF WILL EVENTUALLY LEADS TO SOCIAL REVOLUTION ANARCHIC ADJUSTMENT , CMON MAKE A MOLTOV COCKTAIL TODAY ,

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Its just typical socialist engineering dogma...............Mix the scum with the middle classes and it will drag the scum up.......no it won't it creates mediocrity.

Education will drag the scum up, so give them an education.

And prison. Don't forget prison.

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Whilst I understand perfectly the pain of living next-door to "scum" having experienced it on more than one occasion myself, the ideas most people suggest as answers never really get to the root-cause of problem.

So exactly why do the "scum" behave in this way?

Well from my experience it is quite simple

(And no, I can't give those who invariably ask for citations, research links etc any "proof" of my beliefs)

They - the "scum" - simply do not know any better.

They learn it from their parents and families, who in turn learned it from theirs.

And until a method of breaking that cycle that actually works is found, it will continue ad infinitum.

As with so many problems in this country, only the symptoms are ever treated. The cause is seldom remedied, and the only reason for that from where I'm sat is short-term profit.

Education is the only way to stop the next generation emulating their parents, and the "one size fits all" style of education in this country will NEVER solve the problem.

A "scum" child may simply not be good enough to get GCSEs in the traditional subjects, so why waste both the pupil and teacher's time trying to bang it into them for 5 years of senior school...?

Find out what they are good at early, give them quality training in that/those subjects that will best suit their individual skills, and let them start work and earn money at the earliest opportunity. And yes, that means pre-16 if they are up to it, and legislate so they cannot be exploited.

Many of our most famous entrepeneurs would have been well on the "scum" radar as a child, left school with nowt at 13 or 14, and went on to great success. Find out some of what worked for them and teach it in schools to those of a similar background instead of French grammar and Periodic Tables of Elements.

Right tools for the right job - simple as...

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Hello

This is my first post even though I've been lurking on here for a couple of years. I came on here to learn (and gain enough ammo to stop my inlaws hassling me to buy a house) but I do have something to say on this subject.

I have complete sympathy for people on this development no matter how poncey and classist they seem.

My husband works frontline social housing, for a housing association repairs department, and huge swathes of these people are feckless, bludging, verbally abusive, "society owes me a living" scum.

Time and again these people issue threats to his staff, trash their flats (deliberately) in full knowedge they'll get them fixed/upgraded for free (ie, us paying for it).

My husband's staff are treated/talked to like dirt by these people, call centre girls in tears, people who deal with them face to face, grabbed, jostled, shaken (can't have windows between them and the tenants (sorry 'customers') as that makes them feel 'alienated).

Whenever staff turn down repairs claims they are over-ruled by sandal wearing do-gooding higher ups who never have to deal with them face to face. The ferals know this and they play it time and time again.

And because they're constantly on the phone, nag nag nag, I'm going to sue you, I know my rights, blah blah blah, the busdget gets used up on them so the more deserving cases, old us, people with dignity, disabled people, when they ask for help the budget's all used up

I used to be a bleeding heart liberal when it came to people on the social. Not now - not now I have to deal with his moods and his ranting when he comes home from work so frustrated and takes it out on me. These people have virtually killed my marriage - I wouldn't give them the steam off my pi$$. ANd I certainly wouldn't welcome them as neighbours.

Please don't have any pity for them

They're scum.

Great post. I have a friend who works for the council doing the same job and he says exactly the same thing F*ck political correctness the majority are scum. Watching traffic cops last night they indicated that 9/10 people on Sheffield housing estates don't have car insurance. When a policeman had the misfortune to enter an estate he was almost mobbed by scrotes banging on the windows of his car.

Working in the NHS these scrotes are the worst people to deal with, completely demanding and rude having paid nothing into the system but wanting everything handing to them on a plate. BRING BACK WORKHOUSES...

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In the "good old days" pretty much everyone started off in a council house, certainly my grandparents did. It was what the working classes did, somehow council house dweller = scum seems to have got into our mindset.

I've done some work in council housing departments and 90% of tenancies are trouble free, people pay their rent on time and look after their property well. I've seen files for families that have lived in their house for 30 years and it contains only the original rental agreement. On the other hand the 10% that cause trouble can have 400 page files from a 1 year tenancy and have involved thousands of man hours from council officers.

The councils KNOW who the trouble makers are and could quite easily ensure that the "nice" families are housed in the mixed estates - if they want to.

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Actually it works very well in Holland.

Oh dear ..... another bleeding heart liberal

Just let me explain.

The UK is, compared to other Western European countries, uniquely cursed with an irredeemable mass underclass.

I would estimate it to represent between 5% and 10% of the British population.

It is obvious to anyone who regularly travel throughout Europe.

I defy you to find the same proportion of pig-ugly and thick scum anywhere in Germany/France/Italy/Holland .......etc ..... as you do in most (well all ....) British cities.

Europeans who visit the UK, or come across holidaying chavscum in Spain, Greece or Portugal, know this fact and discuss it freely amongst themselves. Just read what the German press wrote about English football fans (and the so-called wags) at the time of the last world cup.

The question is : what do we do with this pile of human rubbish now that their financial upkeep is fast becoming unaffordable?

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Oh dear ..... another bleeding heart liberal

Just let me explain.

The UK is, compared to other Western European countries, uniquely cursed with an irredeemable mass underclass.

I would estimate it to represent between 5% and 10% of the British population.

It is obvious to anyone who regularly travel throughout Europe.

I defy you to find the same proportion of pig-ugly and thick scum anywhere in Germany/France/Italy/Holland .......etc ..... as you do in most (well all ....) British cities.

Europeans who visit the UK, or come across holidaying chavscum in Spain, Greece or Portugal, know this fact and discuss it freely amongst themselves. Just read what the German press wrote about English football fans (and the so-called wags) at the time of the last world cup.

The question is : what do we do with this pile of human rubbish now that their financial upkeep is fast becoming unaffordable?

Unfortunately there is no easy answer to this question. Thats the reason why extremists such as Hitler get into power. The public get so hacked off that a right wing, one testacled, blind, mad man that isnt even from the country of origin gains power.

Well Gordon 4 out of 5aint bad

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Oh dear ..... another bleeding heart liberal

Just let me explain.

The UK is, compared to other Western European countries, uniquely cursed with an irredeemable mass underclass.

I would estimate it to represent between 5% and 10% of the British population.

It is obvious to anyone who regularly travel throughout Europe.

I defy you to find the same proportion of pig-ugly and thick scum anywhere in Germany/France/Italy/Holland .......etc ..... as you do in most (well all ....) British cities.

Europeans who visit the UK, or come across holidaying chavscum in Spain, Greece or Portugal, know this fact and discuss it freely amongst themselves. Just read what the German press wrote about English football fans (and the so-called wags) at the time of the last world cup.

The question is : what do we do with this pile of human rubbish now that their financial upkeep is fast becoming unaffordable?

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The reason for this problem is clear to me and has been for years.

When houses in rough areas, were £30K people who earned £10k would gravitate to them. These were probably manual workers, bit rough and ready, so all your neighbours were like you.

The more well to do areas where property was around £80k, well you had to be on a reasonable salary say £25k to afford that. Chances are you'd have a good job and be reasonably educated.

Fast forward to 2001 (approx)

The 30K house inflates in price. Its now worth £100k. The guy who earns £25K can afford it easily, however he doesnt want to live next door to the rough and ready people. The house that before was £80K is now £200K, he cant really afford it, but has to (in his eyes)

Other who earn slightly less than him, cant stretch to £200K, they could just have managed £100K at maximum stretch so are doomed to join the bin men street.]

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Oh dear ..... another bleeding heart liberal

Just let me explain.

The UK is, compared to other Western European countries, uniquely cursed with an irredeemable mass underclass.

I would estimate it to represent between 5% and 10% of the British population.

It is obvious to anyone who regularly travel throughout Europe.

I defy you to find the same proportion of pig-ugly and thick scum anywhere in Germany/France/Italy/Holland .......etc ..... as you do in most (well all ....) British cities.

French underclass riot.

German underclass

"White trash" underclass

"Berlin capital of the underclass"

dutch hooligans riot

"Italy's new underclass"

"Italian males amongst the most ignorant"

Is that sufficient? I couldn't be bother spending more than a few minutes with google to come up with a more detailed response.

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