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they should have concentrated their engineering skills on producing and exporting quality affordable, economical family cars.

not rich mans playthings.

serves them right for attempting to be oh so 'exclusive'

id expect bently and the like to follow suit.

id rather have bailed rover than jaguar.

we seem to make every wrong decision in the book of common sense.

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It was good fun when they could "Go" where other car producers could not. Sadly like TVR & Lotus they discovered that unless you have a large MAJOR car producer behind you, your in trouble. I mean at the end of the day they send their cars to Car mags to test, EG Track day type thing.

£90 K worth of Aston gets killed by £50k worth of GTR, or Porsche.

Nope, no furture.

Mike

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It was good fun when they could "Go" where other car producers could not. Sadly like TVR & Lotus they discovered that unless you have a large MAJOR car producer behind you, your in trouble. I mean at the end of the day they send their cars to Car mags to test, EG Track day type thing.

£90 K worth of Aston gets killed by £50k worth of GTR, or Porsche.

Nope, no furture.

Mike

Nothing wrong with Lotus last i heard.

Lotus

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Oh No! Does that mean 007 will have to go back to a BMW?!!

no a bicycle. but with fireworks for rockets and 2x airguns on each mudguard.

plus a changing serial number to fool police and skis on a back rack.

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they should have concentrated their engineering skills on producing and exporting quality affordable, economical family cars.

That is like saying Bolinger should forget about champagne and concentrate on wholesome fruit juice.

Maybe the market can no longer support high-prestige luxury cars but they would do better to fold than contaminate the brand and the reputation on some half-assed notion of building something of which they have no experience, and is not much in demand even from the manufacturers who currently do it pretty well, such as Honda.

Looks as though you take the view that if a product is unaffordable to you, then nobody else should have it either.

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That is like saying Bolinger should forget about champagne and concentrate on wholesome fruit juice.

Maybe the market can no longer support high-prestige luxury cars but they would do better to fold than contaminate the brand and the reputation on some half-assed notion of building something of which they have no experience, and is not much in demand even from the manufacturers who currently do it pretty well, such as Honda.

Looks as though you take the view that if a product is unaffordable to you, then nobody else should have it either.

I agree, why the hell would a prestige marque want to build family cars?

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That is like saying Bolinger should forget about champagne and concentrate on wholesome fruit juice.

Maybe the market can no longer support high-prestige luxury cars but they would do better to fold than contaminate the brand and the reputation on some half-assed notion of building something of which they have no experience, and is not much in demand even from the manufacturers who currently do it pretty well, such as Honda.

Looks as though you take the view that if a product is unaffordable to you, then nobody else should have it either.

some half-assed notion of building something of which they have no experience

rather than basing something on sheer boastful stupidity. an aston can only go as fast as a ford escort. 70mph.

perhaps they should have used the workers experience to make something of popular 'use' ?

just how do you think 'bolinger' sales will be doing in the next 5-10 years.?

can you short them ?

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they should have concentrated their engineering skills on producing and exporting quality affordable, economical family cars.

not rich mans playthings.

serves them right for attempting to be oh so 'exclusive'

id expect bently and the like to follow suit.

id rather have bailed rover than jaguar.

we seem to make every wrong decision in the book of common sense.

Aston Martin aren't exclusive.

Anyone can get one just as long as they have the money.

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i have the same sympathy for aston martin as i would for makers of diamond encrusted washing machines.

i just feel sorry for the workers. they dont care if its a sports car or the market leading 4 door saloon.

they only go there to service a mortgage. there not volunteers.

also - what a snob, and btw. i could just about scrape the cost of a new low range aston.

but then, id look like a dick with no dick. so i wont.

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they are still about to go where good clever manufacturers cannot.

= bust.

Isn't there a Russian Oligarch's son who just lost a bundle in sportscars?

I remember working at an ad agency years ago that pitched for DeLorean. The numbers in luxury sportscars are so tiny that profit is a remote possibility. Someone here posted the other day that Ferrari revenues come from merchandising deals.

The DeLorean was a great car. The scam (while it lasted) was that the revenue came from sales to a holding company in the middle, not from actual buyers. I remember the account guys being baffled by the numbers - in one year in the early '80s, Jaguar sold just 17 (seventeen) cars in France.

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i have the same sympathy for aston martin as i would for makers of diamond encrusted washing machines.

i just feel sorry for the workers. they dont care if its a sports car or the market leading 4 door saloon.

they only go there to service a mortgage. there not volunteers.

also - what a snob, and btw. i could just about scrape the cost of a new low range aston.

but then, id look like a dick with no dick. so i wont.

I would think that a lot of Aston Martin employees are more likely to be enthusiasts, compared to say an employee working for Nissan.

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Oh No - All Top Gear programs will end up like the special in Vietnam: on Mopeds.

I suppose at least then I will be finally able to cancel the DDD - Disinformtion Direct Debit

(Edit - Man Flu)

Edited by togger

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I would think that a lot of Aston Martin employees are more likely to be enthusiasts, compared to say an employee working for Nissan.

then they can volunteer cant they and the plant can stay open yeah ?

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i have the same sympathy for aston martin as i would for makers of diamond encrusted washing machines.

i just feel sorry for the workers. they dont care if its a sports car or the market leading 4 door saloon.

they only go there to service a mortgage. there not volunteers.

also - what a snob, and btw. i could just about scrape the cost of a new low range aston.

but then, id look like a dick with no dick. so i wont.

The market is very chicken and egg.

Consider BMW. The car that built its reputation was the 2002. For people who wanted something nippy but with very understated looks and build quality.

I think people who buy BMWs now want to look like a dick. What's a manufacturer to do?

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I remember the account guys being baffled by the numbers - in one year in the early '80s, Jaguar sold just 17 (seventeen) cars in France.

I think I can explain that one: years ago, French road tax was lethal to any car with an engine above a certain size. That 'certain size' was coincidentally slightly above what French car manufacturers offered. So if you fancied a jag (min. 3.6l engine, IIRC), you had to be ready to write a big cheque every year...

Jaguars still are a rare sight on French roads.

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The market is very chicken and egg.

Consider BMW. The car that built its reputation was the 2002. For people who wanted something nippy but with very understated looks and build quality.

I think people who buy BMWs now want to look like a dick. What's a manufacturer to do?

i dont think they want to look like a prat, but because of the nature of the one uppishness of a bmw,

it comes with the plates.

i doubt many top car drivers realise what prats they look like sat in traffic like everyone else.

im my mind theres nothing dumber looking that an old fart in a yellow ferrari passing by all driving gloves and magnum sunglasses. a spent force. or a porsche driver who thinks the car reflects his ambition, when all it reflects to me is selfishness and hubris.

granted, once i had a beemer and a good one, i had it a year. brilliant drive granted, but at the lights i felt i was trying to portray an image of what i wasnt. after all, most of the money i spent on the BMW was on the outside for everyone elses benefit. i couldnt see it form the plastic inside. and it still only could go 70mph same as a £400 used escort. all the engine money was wasted. as was the upped handling etc, cos when i needed the bend blend the speed limit was 30mph, not 90mph like it was engineered for corners like that. in order to feel the engineering benefit i had to drive it illegally.

i looked like a tit.

and i lost 8k.

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i dont think they want to look like a prat, but because of the nature of the one uppishness of a bmw,

it comes with the plates.

i doubt many top car drivers realise what prats they look like sat in traffic like everyone else.

im my mind theres nothing dumber looking that an old fart in a yellow ferrari passing by all driving gloves and magnum sunglasses. a spent force. or a porsche driver who thinks the car reflects his ambition, when all it reflects to me is selfishness and hubris.

granted, once i had a beemer and a good one, i had it a year. brilliant drive granted, but at the lights i felt i was trying to portray an image of what i wasnt. after all, most of the money i spent on the BMW was on the outside for everyone elses benefit. i couldnt see it form the plastic inside. and it still only could go 70mph same as a £400 used escort. all the engine money was wasted. as was the upped handling etc, cos when i needed the bend blend the speed limit was 30mph, not 90mph like it was engineered for corners like that. in order to feel the engineering benefit i had to drive it illegally.

i looked like a tit.

and i lost 8k.

What do you drive now to make you look cool then?

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who are owned by Proton ???

so a family car with a side order of small ***** mobiles.

its probably proton holding them up.

Ferrari are owned by Fiat, so the same applies here, yeah???

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Wasn't there a story about Aston Martin in the 60's where the owner showed around the factory another wealthy individual and at the end he ask if he could buy a car at cost which ultimately was more expensive than the showroom price?

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i dont think they want to look like a prat, but because of the nature of the one uppishness of a bmw,

it comes with the plates.

i doubt many top car drivers realise what prats they look like sat in traffic like everyone else.

im my mind theres nothing dumber looking that an old fart in a yellow ferrari passing by all driving gloves and magnum sunglasses. a spent force. or a porsche driver who thinks the car reflects his ambition, when all it reflects to me is selfishness and hubris.

granted, once i had a beemer and a good one, i had it a year. brilliant drive granted, but at the lights i felt i was trying to portray an image of what i wasnt. after all, most of the money i spent on the BMW was on the outside for everyone elses benefit. i couldnt see it form the plastic inside. and it still only could go 70mph same as a £400 used escort. all the engine money was wasted. as was the upped handling etc, cos when i needed the bend blend the speed limit was 30mph, not 90mph like it was engineered for corners like that. in order to feel the engineering benefit i had to drive it illegally.

i looked like a tit.

and i lost 8k.

I do wonder if sometimes there's any way past this perception thing.

I drive a Subaru Impreza. Not the Sti but the nice little 2.0l turbo WRX. It's not aspiration but yet I'm still entirely sure it's a cocks car. But it is better to drive than my bird's renault clio. Which quite frankly is like driving a hairdryer.

You may not get to enjoy the top end in a better car but it's not all about top end is it?

To me if someone can genuinely afford to buy a porsche, ferrari, Aston whatever it's up to them. It's the twats that borrow in order to do so that get on my wick. There's a bloke at my work who owns a Range Rover sport. He earns 20k a year. He is also a complete ****.

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