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Anyone with half an ounce of common sense in government knows Labour are dead men walking, their era is over, they're over. We simply wait for the few remaining grains of sand in the egg timer to tick away, like the final days of Major.

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Anyone with half an ounce of common sense in government knows Labour are dead men walking, their era is over, they're over. We simply wait for the few remaining grains of sand in the egg timer to tick away, like the final days of Major.

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Anyone with half an ounce of common sense in government knows Labour are dead men walking, their era is over, they're over. We simply wait for the few remaining grains of sand in the egg timer to tick away, like the final days of Major.

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Anyone with half an ounce of common sense in government knows Labour are dead men walking, their era is over, they're over. We simply wait for the few remaining grains of sand in the egg timer to tick away, like the final days of Major.

Are those the final days of Major in 1991 or 1996?

If they can keep the gloom up long enough don't rule out the effectiveness of "this is no time for a novice".

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Anyone with half an ounce of common sense in government knows Labour are dead men walking, their era is over, they're over. We simply wait for the few remaining grains of sand in the egg timer to tick away, like the final days of Major.

and then what .... ?

expect cameron to change things.?

cameron will inherit the 900,000 buy to let speculators still demanding a free profit.

he will inherit the banks toxic habits as brown has. thier debts and the bailout payments

he has NO NEW solutions to the crisis and the people are so stupid they want even more interest rate cuts.

the public will still expect a free lunch and will still expect their houses to retrun to 'normal' ie 10%+ rises per year.

cameron hasnt the balls to tell the public they cant have all this.

so theres not even any point changing governments at the moment, in fact to bring in some etonite will ZERO experience of anything would be a dire mistake right now. the only replacement is a split with the libs making up 40% to block idiotic labour policies, but dont look to the conservatives for an answer.

your house and your employment prospect and the currency is going down full stop.

nor brown, cameron or even vince cable can stop it now.

so lets stop bullsh1tting ourselves than an election will make any difference to the now pre-set outcome.

we are going into a heavy recession / depression no matter what.

and lets stop trying to put the blame on one man.hes made some stupid mistakes, but overall its the greed of all of our home owning, mew mad neghbours thats the main concern, combined with a banking system that got out of control fueled by a blemished media.

its the fault of almost every home owner this depression.

swap one person and the helm for another without a major shake up of the british home over

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From the article -

"The tone towards the banks is becoming more aggressive. Gordon Brown and a phalanx of ministers will say they share the frustration of the public at the irresponsibility of past lending practices, the slowness with which they have revealed their debts and their stubborn refusal in the past few months to release credit."

Anyone notice a contradiction?

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and then what .... ?

expect cameron to change things.?

cameron will inherit the 900,000 buy to let speculators still demanding a free profit.

he will inherit the banks toxic habits as brown has. thier debts and the bailout payments

he has NO NEW solutions to the crisis and the people are so stupid they want even more interest rate cuts.

the public will still expect a free lunch and will still expect their houses to retrun to 'normal' ie 10%+ rises per year.

cameron hasnt the balls to tell the public they cant have all this.

so theres not even any point changing governments at the moment, in fact to bring in some etonite will ZERO experience of anything would be a dire mistake right now. the only replacement is a split with the libs making up 40% to block idiotic labour policies, but dont look to the conservatives for an answer.

your house and your employment prospect and the currency is going down full stop.

nor brown, cameron or even vince cable can stop it now.

so lets stop bullsh1tting ourselves than an election will make any difference to the now pre-set outcome.

we are going into a heavy recession / depression no matter what.

and lets stop trying to put the blame on one man.hes made some stupid mistakes, but overall its the greed of all of our home owning, mew mad neghbours thats the main concern, combined with a banking system that got out of control fueled by a blemished media.

its the fault of almost every home owner this depression.

swap one person and the helm for another without a major shake up of the british home over

They joked on Bremner, Bird & Fortune the other week that anyone who has a mortgage is f ucked. There might be some truth in that :huh:

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From the article -

"The tone towards the banks is becoming more aggressive. Gordon Brown and a phalanx of ministers will say they share the frustration of the public at the irresponsibility of past lending practices, the slowness with which they have revealed their debts and their stubborn refusal in the past few months to release credit."

Anyone notice a contradiction?

Yes.

This is a tired, exhausted 'government' chasing its own tail. Sign Jacker says Cameron's not got any ideas, well heck neither has Labour, so let someone new have a chance. "No time for a novice"? Ask any driving instructor if he'd rather trust a careful learner or an over-confident experienced driver with several rear-ends to his record.

Look at Darling and look carefully at Brown. They're both exhausted. Darling looks like he needs a big hug, some cake and a pot of tea, the mess has been thrown in his lap and he doesn't need the strain. Brown's the architect partially of this mess, and he needs to have his desk cleared.

That's it, quite simple, the British public shout "Next!"

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From the article -

"The tone towards the banks is becoming more aggressive. Gordon Brown and a phalanx of ministers will say they share the frustration of the public at the irresponsibility of past lending practices, the slowness with which they have revealed their debts and their stubborn refusal in the past few months to release credit."

Anyone notice a contradiction?

War is peace. Double plus good.

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If any one can source and confirm that Grauniad quote from "a cabinet minister" i would probably wet my pants.

Getting that as an atributable quote in the press would be amazing, though the person concerned should avoid hillwalking.

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Yes.

This is a tired, exhausted 'government' chasing its own tail. Sign Jacker says Cameron's not got any ideas, well heck neither has Labour, so let someone new have a chance. "No time for a novice"? Ask any driving instructor if he'd rather trust a careful learner or an over-confident experienced driver with several rear-ends to his record.

Look at Darling and look carefully at Brown. They're both exhausted. Darling looks like he needs a big hug, some cake and a pot of tea, the mess has been thrown in his lap and he doesn't need the strain. Brown's the architect partially of this mess, and he needs to have his desk cleared.

That's it, quite simple, the British public shout "Next!"

If you heard Gordon Brown on the Today programme on Friday (also written up in today's Times), he takes full credit for a period of economic expansion that started on 2nd May 1997 until 2007. The bust that "started in America" was a completely random event which he neither caused nor could have predicted.

Judge me on 1997 to 2007, he asks, not on the current situation.

Evan Davies was growing quite exasperated by Brown's refusal to acknowledge even the tiniest error of judgement or responsibility for the current malaise.

Brown actually believes this (remember "We have saved the world"?), demonstrating how out of touch he is. He must go and go now.

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and lets stop trying to put the blame on one man.hes made some stupid mistakes, but overall its the greed of all of our home owning, mew mad neghbours thats the main concern, combined with a banking system that got out of control fueled by a blemished media.

My sentiments exactly. The fallout of any pyramid scheme is always borne by the people who bought in last and with the most leverage. The problem was that few realised the housing market was a pyramid scam and quite how much more extreme it was than the last one. The extremity is entirely the fault of zero controls on lending combined with greed, fear and corruption. Heads should truly roll for this but they have merely escaped to more pleasant climes while the UK goes to hell.

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and then what .... ?

expect cameron to change things.?

cameron will inherit the 900,000 buy to let speculators still demanding a free profit.

he will inherit the banks toxic habits as brown has. thier debts and the bailout payments

he has NO NEW solutions to the crisis and the people are so stupid they want even more interest rate cuts.

the public will still expect a free lunch and will still expect their houses to retrun to 'normal' ie 10%+ rises per year.

cameron hasnt the balls to tell the public they cant have all this.

so theres not even any point changing governments at the moment, in fact to bring in some etonite will ZERO experience of anything would be a dire mistake right now. the only replacement is a split with the libs making up 40% to block idiotic labour policies, but dont look to the conservatives for an answer.

your house and your employment prospect and the currency is going down full stop.

nor brown, cameron or even vince cable can stop it now.

so lets stop bullsh1tting ourselves than an election will make any difference to the now pre-set outcome.

we are going into a heavy recession / depression no matter what.

and lets stop trying to put the blame on one man.hes made some stupid mistakes, but overall its the greed of all of our home owning, mew mad neghbours thats the main concern, combined with a banking system that got out of control fueled by a blemished media.

its the fault of almost every home owner this depression.

swap one person and the helm for another without a major shake up of the british home over

I think you're right, a change of government now would not stop anything, clealry that is true.

But to see this lot win again would be almost morally wrong. They deserve to be kicked out of office almost irrespective of the alternative.

In fact anythign less than an absolute electoral humiliation would be insufficient for me. :P

I think the tories will be slightly better, and will naturally be less inclined to run a deficit even in good times, but events have overtaken party politics now.

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At the Fabian conference, Ed Miliband and James Purnell likened the last six months to the winter of discontent in 1979. An ideological watershed had been reached, they argued.

"I think there is no question that 2008 will be seen as a similar historical moment," said Miliband. "This is a moment of profound crisis for the idea that, in economics, as far as possible we should leave markets to their own devices; the idea that government is the problem not the solution."

Purnell, from a more New Labour position, said: "For the last 30 or so years, politics in Britain has been determined by the image of the winter of discontent. The idea of achieving a fairer society through state action was damaged. I think that unbalanced politics. I don't think we will rebalance to the other side, where markets are entirely dismissed, but I think we can have a more balanced politics as a result."

Douglas Alexander, the international development secretary, added: "I think the real opportunity for the Labour party is to say that we did not just witness the demise of individual institutions, we ultimately witnessed the demise of an ideology that says that the only role for government is always to get out of the way and that the right response to a financial crisis is to nudge, privatise and deregulate."

Well hor-bloody-ray! Finally, they realise that pigs will keep eating the swill you put on front of them until they become too fat to move. And it only took the end of everything to get them to see it. They are absolutely right though (I hope). This is another turning point after the last biggie in 1979. They need to start regulating how much swill the fat pigs get.

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and then what .... ?

expect cameron to change things.?

Nope, this country is ruined for at least a generation, that will be Brown's legacy. The course is set, our fate is sealed, Gordy will make things worse of course, so he isn't see as a "do nothing" type of guy.

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