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The Associated Press

Published: January 23, 2009

ATHENS, Greece: Greek farmers demanding government action to help the industry have intensified nationwide protests despite the offer of a €500 million (US$645 million) aid package.

Police say farmers on Friday blocked a highway linking Greece and Turkey and increased the number of roadblocks on several of the country's busiest roads. Two busy border crossings with Bulgaria have been closed to truck deliveries since the protests began Tuesday.

Farmers say an aid package announced by the government Thursday fails to address several of their key demands including setting minimum sale prices for various crops. Government officials on Friday ruled out providing additional aid.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/23/...er-Protests.php

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Greek farmers extend highway blockades

The Associated Press

Published: January 23, 2009

ATHENS, Greece: Greek farmers demanding government action to help the industry have intensified nationwide protests despite the offer of a €500 million (US$645 million) aid package.

Police say farmers on Friday blocked a highway linking Greece and Turkey and increased the number of roadblocks on several of the country's busiest roads. Two busy border crossings with Bulgaria have been closed to truck deliveries since the protests began Tuesday.

Farmers say an aid package announced by the government Thursday fails to address several of their key demands including setting minimum sale prices for various crops. Government officials on Friday ruled out providing additional aid.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/23/...er-Protests.php

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Here in Crete last week they took over the airport at Iralion for 24 hours following a blockade of the roads...took their tractors onto the runway. Farmers are agrieved that they are getting such poor prices for their crops but especially the Olive Oil, which is considered to be the best in the world. My friend who was due to fly to Paris had to take the overnight ferry to Athens for her connecting flight due to runway being closed, they are still blocking roads and say they will resume the airport blockade if their demands are not met............at least they get off their bottoms and do something.

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What bloody idiots.

if they put a price floor on their goods.

one it will piss off the public when bread goes from 1 Euro to 1.5euro.

two, foreigners will sell their highest quality goods at the price floor to the big Greek buyers (why accept the medium or shit stuff if your forced to buy at a minimum price). that will force a lot of the Greeks to seek foreign buyers who will have no price floor.

three, it will lower demand for the goods and hence the farmer will have a surplus they need to burn or export at shit prices.

four, it will create a black market where people buy and sell below the price floors undermining the whole thing.

socialists sure are ******ing retarded.

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What do you do if your farmers are losing money, if they go burst the country goes hungry. They talk about all these banks being to big to fail, and the men/women at the top need to be paid obscene amount of money to stay, you would say that greece's farms are much more important to their survival than banks and bankers.

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What do you do if your farmers are losing money, if they go burst the country goes hungry. They talk about all these banks being to big to fail, and the men/women at the top need to be paid obscene amount of money to stay, you would say that greece's farms are much more important to their survival than banks and bankers.

Idiotic post. Only a certain number will go bust (the worst ones). Once the spare capacity is out of the system the others will do fine as prices increase. Setting price floors and ceilings causes hunger and poverty.

It was done in America in the 30s, the government bought wheat off the market to set a price floor and then burnt it or dumped it in the sea. At the same time hundreds of thousands where starving. Similar with Russia and many many countries.

anyway, i cant be bothered with you socialists. ignorance is bliss and logic is sin for you lot.

Goodnight

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Thanks Old Eddy for the info, very interesting. Greece seems very unstable at the moment moreso than normal. :unsure:

Cheers ;)

Be very dubious about reading too much into Greek protests, especially anything you might read in the Guardian. Protests are a way of life in Greece and any Athenian can tell you how life is constantly disrupted by protests, sit-ins and strikes. Quite often, the protesters' reasons and demands are extremely nebulous. Protest frequently precedes dialogue. Strikes that inconvenience millions of people are accepted as a minor annoyance and an unavoidable fact of life.

With the case of the recent youth riots, foreign (especially left-leaning) journalists have interpreted them as an expression of dissatisfaction with the current economic situation. Well, perhaps some demonstrators are unhappy with the situation but largely the demonstrators were school kids of 15-16 yrs old whose biggest concerns in life are who got off with who at the weekend and who is No 1 in the download charts.

Also, when compared to western europe, the economic situation in Greece has never been particularly strong. Greece has had a poor credit rating for years and constantly skirts on the edge of European standards. However, this largely does not worry the Greeks. They are used to making do and getting by and, I tell you now, would get by a lot better than the average brit in case of economic meltdown. Afterall, most Greeks have a house and land somewhere in a village and even if they've never so much as grown a potplant, they'd not flinch at skinning a rabbit if the need arose.

Greece also has a large black economy. The people expect very little in terms of public services and get very little state help. Greek economics do not work on paper since many many Greeks supplement their income with a little 'black money'.

So, when guilable Guardian journalists look at the Greek situation and report a society in meltdown I'd say they fail to understand the fundamentals of Greek society.

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What bloody idiots.

if they put a price floor on their goods.

one it will piss off the public when bread goes from 1 Euro to 1.5euro.

two, foreigners will sell their highest quality goods at the price floor to the big Greek buyers

Greek consumers are extremely particular about food produce. The majority of Greek will NOT buy fruit/veg, meat or dairy produce from abroad.

The discount stores, such as LIDL and ALDI, are frequented largely by immigrant populations. Greeks would rather pay much higher retails prices than buy foreign food products.

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Idiotic post. Only a certain number will go bust (the worst ones). Once the spare capacity is out of the system the others will do fine as prices increase. Setting price floors and ceilings causes hunger and poverty.

It was done in America in the 30s, the government bought wheat off the market to set a price floor and then burnt it or dumped it in the sea. At the same time hundreds of thousands where starving. Similar with Russia and many many countries.

anyway, i cant be bothered with you socialists. ignorance is bliss and logic is sin for you lot.

Goodnight

Oooh who rattled your cage.

It seems a reasonable enough point to me.

Governments seem happy to spend billions bailing out bankers who have led the western world to disaster but none at areas of the economy that actually put food on the table.

At the very least they could be consistent.

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Idiotic post. Only a certain number will go bust (the worst ones). Once the spare capacity is out of the system the others will do fine as prices increase. Setting price floors and ceilings causes hunger and poverty.

It was done in America in the 30s, the government bought wheat off the market to set a price floor and then burnt it or dumped it in the sea. At the same time hundreds of thousands where starving. Similar with Russia and many many countries.

anyway, i cant be bothered with you socialists. ignorance is bliss and logic is sin for you lot.

Goodnight

Mate I agree with you socialism stinks, I was trying to say thing have got so corrupt that the bankers are bailed out before our basic needs are covered, though we should have never gotten here in the first place.

As a farmers son I can see the benifits a free market without subsides would bring to farming. A hillside farmer in Italy, would no longer be paid by the goverment (EU) to grow wheat in a field that he could not normally grow wheat profitably without state aid. If you add up all the end produce from these subsided farmers ( that shouldn't be growing wheat ) it dramaticly reduces the final selling price for your wheat.

I hate socialism, especially the type that bails out banks and props up house prices. <_<

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What bloody idiots.

if they put a price floor on their goods.

one it will piss off the public when bread goes from 1 Euro to 1.5euro.

two, foreigners will sell their highest quality goods at the price floor to the big Greek buyers (why accept the medium or shit stuff if your forced to buy at a minimum price). that will force a lot of the Greeks to seek foreign buyers who will have no price floor.

three, it will lower demand for the goods and hence the farmer will have a surplus they need to burn or export at shit prices.

four, it will create a black market where people buy and sell below the price floors undermining the whole thing.

socialists sure are ******ing retarded.

At least they have the balls to stand up for themselves ... Greece funnily enough (and unlike UKplc) is a very proud nation,

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Greece funnily enough (and unlike UKplc) is a very proud nation,

Sure -and how many times have they been invaded in the last 500 years - meanwhile we have seen off the French , Spanish and Germans at their peak - never underestimate good Old Blighty when our backs are against the wall ...

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Sure -and how many times have they been invaded in the last 500 years - meanwhile we have seen off the French , Spanish and Germans at their peak - never underestimate good Old Blighty when our backs are against the wall ...

A tiny matter of the Channel.

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Idiotic post. Only a certain number will go bust (the worst ones). Once the spare capacity is out of the system the others will do fine as prices increase. Setting price floors and ceilings causes hunger and poverty.

It was done in America in the 30s, the government bought wheat off the market to set a price floor and then burnt it or dumped it in the sea. At the same time hundreds of thousands where starving. Similar with Russia and many many countries.

anyway, i cant be bothered with you socialists. ignorance is bliss and logic is sin for you lot.

Goodnight

Wouldn't it be nice if such free-market principles were applied to banks? which are themselves

private profit-making concerns?

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Wouldn't it be nice if such free-market principles were applied to banks? which are themselves

private profit-making concerns?

Oh no you see banks are different. (this time.)

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Sure -and how many times have they been invaded in the last 500 years - meanwhile we have seen off the French , Spanish and Germans at their peak - never underestimate good Old Blighty when our backs are against the wall ...

****** ... visit the commenwealth grave in Hania and then some of the many WW2 memorials in Cretan villages ... then you will appreciate how many lives were lost in Crete supporting the British as they escaped into Northern africa.

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****** ... visit the commenwealth grave in Hania and then some of the many WW2 memorials in Cretan villages ... then you will appreciate how many lives were lost in Crete supporting the British as they escaped into Northern africa.

Yes and why don`t you stop posting crap on an internet forum at half past midnight running your own country down ...

Clown.

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Yes and why don`t you stop posting crap on an internet forum at half past midnight running your own country down ...

Clown.

Goodnight.

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Be very dubious about reading too much into Greek protests, especially anything you might read in the Guardian. Protests are a way of life in Greece and any Athenian can tell you how life is constantly disrupted by protests, sit-ins and strikes. Quite often, the protesters' reasons and demands are extremely nebulous. Protest frequently precedes dialogue. Strikes that inconvenience millions of people are accepted as a minor annoyance and an unavoidable fact of life.

With the case of the recent youth riots, foreign (especially left-leaning) journalists have interpreted them as an expression of dissatisfaction with the current economic situation. Well, perhaps some demonstrators are unhappy with the situation but largely the demonstrators were school kids of 15-16 yrs old whose biggest concerns in life are who got off with who at the weekend and who is No 1 in the download charts.

Also, when compared to western europe, the economic situation in Greece has never been particularly strong. Greece has had a poor credit rating for years and constantly skirts on the edge of European standards. However, this largely does not worry the Greeks. They are used to making do and getting by and, I tell you now, would get by a lot better than the average brit in case of economic meltdown. Afterall, most Greeks have a house and land somewhere in a village and even if they've never so much as grown a potplant, they'd not flinch at skinning a rabbit if the need arose.

Greece also has a large black economy. The people expect very little in terms of public services and get very little state help. Greek economics do not work on paper since many many Greeks supplement their income with a little 'black money'.

So, when guilable Guardian journalists look at the Greek situation and report a society in meltdown I'd say they fail to understand the fundamentals of Greek society.

Excellent post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I would like to note though that the poor economic situation of the country is the fault of the citizens. They are simply too conformist. They should be demanding efficiency from the state and reward/punish politicians accordingly. They should be demanding the dissolution of the Olympic Airways, whose yearly loss is more than enough to cover for the farmers' aid, They should be protesting against the bloated public sector that sucks all the money out of the country's budget, and so on. People in Greece need to wake up and demand a better future for themselves and their children.

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