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This is very scarey TV.

Obama has promised before he was elected in his campaign speaches - that he will change the Health Care system in the US - which is possibly why so may voted him in.

He wants to make it affordable to all Americans - via lower Health Insurance.

This programme is looking at those Americans who have to travel to a charity that opens its doors several times a year - the founder said he started it originally for a third world country but realised that his home country needed just as much and are split 40/60.

Some of the cases are truly horrifying and the money that these ordinary people spend on health care is just staggering.

All of you who feel that this country is totally crap and the NHS is full of people earning heaps of money and not worth your taxes - please watch this.

It's enlightening TV.

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This is very scarey TV.

Obama has promised before he was elected in his campaign speaches - that he will change the Health Care system in the US - which is possibly why so may voted him in.

He wants to make it affordable to all Americans - via lower Health Insurance.

This programme is looking at those Americans who have to travel to a charity that opens its doors several times a year - the founder said he started it originally for a third world country but realised that his home country needed just as much and are split 40/60.

Some of the cases are truly horrifying and the money that these ordinary people spend on health care is just staggering.

All of you who feel that this country is totally crap and the NHS is full of people earning heaps of money and not worth your taxes - please watch this.

It's enlightening TV.

Just because the American health system is a disgrace does not equate to the NHS offering anywhere like reasonable value for money.

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Exactly, and this is our future too, we've accumulated so much public debt bailing out the banks we'll end up paying the ultimate price, there will be no NHS free at the point of care in a few short years.

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In the 60s the US had the "best health care system in the world" then in the 70s they began a system of creating various monopolies driven by socialisation and monopolisation of the drug market. Add to that compensation culture.

The result is costs twice that any other advanced country, and the working poor being shut out the system.

The US system does have some remaining benefits, supposedly more advanced, but it can't last long before recession and unrestrained government driven corporate monolopolies make the system too expensive, the system will then be nationalised.

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There is no way that based on what Obama has promised that this is not going to be a major issue for his new tenancy.

It's all very well us saying our NHS is shit and stuff but what is real is whether this man can turn the US around from where it is now to where it needs to be.

And those of you who think everything is rosey - this is the way that OUR government wanted to go and has been by stages, tried to introduce.

So think about it - don't just post crap about the NHS!!!

Think in wider terms.

And anyone out there who's on this site who has knowledge of the NHS and how it works - please post about the differences you see and experience between the US and NHS we experience.

Thanks.

Let's not let this post degenerate into accusations - let's seek knolwedge so we can change things - isn't that the way Obama wants it?

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There is no way that based on what Obama has promised that this is not going to be a major issue for his new tenancy.

It's all very well us saying our NHS is shit and stuff but what is real is whether this man can turn the US around from where it is now to where it needs to be.

And those of you who think everything is rosey - this is the way that OUR government wanted to go and has been by stages, tried to introduce.

So think about it - don't just post crap about the NHS!!!

Think in wider terms.

And anyone out there who's on this site who has knowledge of the NHS and how it works - please post about the differences you see and experience between the US and NHS we experience.

Thanks.

Let's not let this post degenerate into accusations - let's seek knolwedge so we can change things - isn't that the way Obama wants it?

My family and I have had great service from the NHS over the years. This does not mean that things never go wrong, but to see a woman having to choose between medicine and rent is appallling - getting chemotherapy while living in a tent! Unbelievable. :(

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By world standards the NHS is excellent, maybe not the absolute best but for the scale and cost of it, it is wonderfull. Find another country outside of North Western Europe that has better for cheaper. The NHS was the best pure socialist scheme ever introduced into the UK, pre war it was just stiff sh*t if you couldnt afford it. Currently in Australia where last year I was talking to an UK nurse that was working in a heart operation ward where a family member was staying, her opionon was that the NHS was far superior to the public system in Australia, where consultants such as surgeons work 1 day per week and the rest in private hospitals. Sure if you have good well paid jobs you can afford the extra but if not you are getting a degraded service, my Father waiting 8 months for an urgent operation which was supposed to happen within 6 weeks, another issue is fairly high payments for GP visits, often waiting days for an apointment (private or public, no difference with GP'S).

Americans live with a lifetime of fear that they will end up with devistating medical bills which aligned to much medical insurance being tied to their jobs, breeds incredible fear and uncertanty in the workplace.

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Just because the American health system is a disgrace does not equate to the NHS offering anywhere like reasonable value for money.

Yeah, all that money spent on vaginas and things - when am I going to see a penny of that back?

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My family and I have had great service from the NHS over the years. This does not mean that things never go wrong, but to see a woman having to choose between medicine and rent is appallling - getting chemotherapy while living in a tent! Unbelievable. :(

Sorry you people but I live here. I pay around 2 grand a year (I am 57) for very good coverage. Some of my friends who came to the States when I did had children in Colorado and never paid a bean. People who can't get treated because they have "no cover" are idiots because no hospital will turn you away. That's a fact. Remember I pay NO NI so please-the Health Service is great in the UK (I am still proud of it) but it aint FREE. Obama's plan has already upped the anti and more and more even cheaper quotes are coming in to me everyday. BTW Warren Buffet stated today "cometh the hour cometh the man, and Obama is that man". Think I will trust The Sage of Omaha's judgment rather than the mainstream.

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By world standards the NHS is excellent, maybe not the absolute best but for the scale and cost of it, it is wonderfull. Find another country outside of North Western Europe that has better for cheaper. The NHS was the best pure socialist scheme ever introduced into the UK, pre war it was just stiff sh*t if you couldnt afford it. Currently in Australia where last year I was talking to an UK nurse that was working in a heart operation ward where a family member was staying, her opionon was that the NHS was far superior to the public system in Australia, where consultants such as surgeons work 1 day per week and the rest in private hospitals. Sure if you have good well paid jobs you can afford the extra but if not you are getting a degraded service, my Father waiting 8 months for an urgent operation which was supposed to happen within 6 weeks, another issue is fairly high payments for GP visits, often waiting days for an apointment (private or public, no difference with GP'S).

Americans live with a lifetime of fear that they will end up with devistating medical bills which aligned to much medical insurance being tied to their jobs, breeds incredible fear and uncertanty in the workplace.

Sorry mate-I disagree from firsthand experience-American's are dumb if they live in a "lifetime of fear". Fact is that most people have no coverage because money is not deducted "at source" like National Insurance. Obama has promised to open the market to all insurance companies accross state lines (in Rhode Island where I live you could only get "Blue Cross" up till two years ago). In the last year rates have come down dramatically. My colleague in Florida has the whole family insured for $4K per year (wife and two kids). He earns $80K so work that out as a % of salary. If you take an average salary of $40K it is still less than NI.

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Sorry you people but I live here. I pay around 2 grand a year (I am 57) for very good coverage. Some of my friends who came to the States when I did had children in Colorado and never paid a bean. People who can't get treated because they have "no cover" are idiots because no hospital will turn you away. That's a fact. Remember I pay NO NI so please-the Health Service is great in the UK (I am still proud of it) but it aint FREE. Obama's plan has already upped the anti and more and more even cheaper quotes are coming in to me everyday. BTW Warren Buffet stated today "cometh the hour cometh the man, and Obama is that man". Think I will trust The Sage of Omaha's judgment rather than the mainstream.

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Just because the American health system is a disgrace does not equate to the NHS offering anywhere like reasonable value for money.

Exactly.

Free healthcare is one thing but I believe scarcity in the medical establishment is maintained and the bar to entry kept high in order to keep the rewards high.

Nobody is saying great surgeons shouldn't be well rewarded, just that the industry has become bloated and inefficient to the point it costs far too much. This applies to the private healthcare system as much as the NHS.

There's also the small matter of pharmaceutical robbery.

New drugs do cost a lot to develop but the excessive profits and needless variants on well established treatments are draining the lifeblood of services like the NHS to the extent that truly innovative and effective drugs are denied to people who really need them.

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the NHS costs 90billion per year. labor force is 30 million.

so on average each worker pays 3000GBP, or 1500GBP per head.

compare with switzerland I pay 3000CHF or 1785GBP (todays rates, but 12months ago 1500GBP). So its about the same.

personally I prefer the swiss system (compulsary - will get deducted at source, if you dont register), rather than NI - simply because its transparent, and reinforces the fact that doctors work for you, not the state.

not convinced..?

how about you go to your NHS GP & they recommend you go private? or you work for a british company where you are compulsary enrolled in private healthcare?? ...then it costs more.

I was paying 500quid/year for private heathcare (+ its a taxable perk!!!)

I've also shelled out 6k for private treatments..

that is why the NHS is much more expensive than a private but compulsary heathcare system.

(***these are the only 2 systems I know)

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Our system is crap.

I was referred to a specialist about 3 years ago, waiting list was 9 months so i went private. The guy prescribed some pills which were 5 grand, and not covered by the policy. So i went back on the NHS list, waited 9 months, saw the SAME doctor...

I have numerous family members who work or worked in the NHS and the tales of waste, and even outright theft are shocking.

The thing that really annoys me is that the NHS is a sacred cow - nobody is allowed to even suggest that it be changed.... rather like the BBC but more expensive.

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The NHS cannot survive is we allow millions of people from overseas to come here and recieve free treatment.

The system will only work if you can only take out what you put in.

That said, I would prefer private healthcare, its far cheaper for someone that works for a living, and it means you only have to pay for yourself and your family.

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That said, I would prefer private healthcare, its far cheaper for someone that works for a living, and it means you only have to pay for yourself and your family.

The thing about disease, especially communicable one's, is that it doesn't acknowledge class nor money.

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Sorry you people but I live here. I pay around 2 grand a year (I am 57) for very good coverage. Some of my friends who came to the States when I did had children in Colorado and never paid a bean. People who can't get treated because they have "no cover" are idiots because no hospital will turn you away. That's a fact. Remember I pay NO NI so please-the Health Service is great in the UK (I am still proud of it) but it aint FREE. Obama's plan has already upped the anti and more and more even cheaper quotes are coming in to me everyday. BTW Warren Buffet stated today "cometh the hour cometh the man, and Obama is that man". Think I will trust The Sage of Omaha's judgment rather than the mainstream.

This BS. You can't get "good coverage" for 2,000 a year in most places in the US at the age of 57. My mother in the US, who is 63, shells out 500 a month for absolute minimal coverage that demands an enormous co-payment every time she needs to see the doctor. The only thing covered by the policy is if she suffers a catastrophic illness. Otherwise, she has to pay for everything. This is on top of a huge amount of taxes that are deducted from salaries that go into paying for Medicaid and Medicare (gov't paid health care for the over 65s in the US). As a percentage of GDP, the US spends as much on Medicare and Medicaid to offer health care for the just the elderly as the UK does to cover everyone in the country, and medical outcomes are higher in the UK than in the US. Healthcare in the US is a disgrace.

And, yes, you can just show up at a hospital in the US for treatment, but they'll only do enough as to be able to get you walking, and then that hospital will turn around and sue your butt into bankruptcy to reclaim all of their overinflated costs.

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This BS. You can't get "good coverage" for 2,000 a year in most places in the US at the age of 57. My mother in the US, who is 63, shells out 500 a month for absolute minimal coverage that demands an enormous co-payment every time she needs to see the doctor. The only thing covered by the policy is if she suffers a catastrophic illness. Otherwise, she has to pay for everything. This is on top of a huge amount of taxes that are deducted from salaries that go into paying for Medicaid and Medicare (gov't paid health care for the over 65s in the US). As a percentage of GDP, the US spends as much on Medicare and Medicaid to offer health care for the just the elderly as the UK does to cover everyone in the country, and medical outcomes are higher in the UK than in the US. Healthcare in the US is a disgrace.

And, yes, you can just show up at a hospital in the US for treatment, but they'll only do enough as to be able to get you walking, and then that hospital will turn around and sue your butt into bankruptcy to reclaim all of their overinflated costs.

Sounds idylic I am suprised Gordon has not thought of bringing in private US companies to run the UK's health service.

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