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How Long Before The Uk Govt Employ 50%+ Of The Population?

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Someone on here posted that the UK govt already accounts for 40% of total employment (not sure if this figure includes councils), but if it wasn't a flippant remark considering the current private sector job losses how long will it take before the govt employs more people than the private sector?

Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer.

Does anyone know at what point 50%+ public sector workforce will be reached?

Is this a Labour plan to try and win the next general election? To ensure at least all public sector workers will vote for them?

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Someone on here posted that the UK govt already accounts for 40% of total employment (not sure if this figure includes councils), but if it wasn't a flippant remark considering the current private sector job losses how long will it take before the govt employs more people than the private sector?

Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer.

Does anyone know at what point 50%+ public sector workforce will be reached?

Is this a Labour plan to try and win the next general election? To ensure at least all public sector workers will vote for them?

Just move to the North East and you can live the dream now. Government spending/employment accounts for 60% of the economy there, greater than East Germany

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Someone on here posted that the UK govt already accounts for 40% of total employment (not sure if this figure includes councils), but if it wasn't a flippant remark considering the current private sector job losses how long will it take before the govt employs more people than the private sector?

Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer.

Does anyone know at what point 50%+ public sector workforce will be reached?

Once you include incap benefit, the dole etc. I think you will find that more than 50% of the population are already "employed" by the government...now stop these idle thoughts and get back to work...you have a lot of mouths to feed!

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Someone on here posted that the UK govt already accounts for 40% of total employment (not sure if this figure includes councils), but if it wasn't a flippant remark considering the current private sector job losses how long will it take before the govt employs more people than the private sector?

Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer.

Does anyone know at what point 50%+ public sector workforce will be reached?

In some places they already do.

Is this a Labour plan to try and win the next general election? To ensure at least all public sector workers will vote for them?

Everyone I know who works in the public sector LOATHES this government for their lying, their obsession with meaningless targets & their meddling micromanagement.

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I read in the FT quite recently an article (think it was Gapper or Martin Wolf - both usually right about most things IMO) that the problem with the state is that it is an inefficient employer; it takes 40% of national income but employs only 20% of the workforce (and that includes councils). I'm not sure what that number becomes if you add on nationalised banks and treat those on incapacity benefit/JSA as state employees.

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Someone on here posted that the UK govt already accounts for 40% of total employment (not sure if this figure includes councils), but if it wasn't a flippant remark considering the current private sector job losses how long will it take before the govt employs more people than the private sector?

Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer.

Does anyone know at what point 50%+ public sector workforce will be reached?

Is this a Labour plan to try and win the next general election? To ensure at least all public sector workers will vote for them?

Someone here was wrong. The figure for Britain is around 20%. However, in some parts of Scotland and, perhaps more understandably, NI, the figure is much higher. However, if we look at "public works", IT projects, defence, banks, law, consultancies etc., the "true" figure for the gravy train is obviously a lot higher. This though is also true of such steadfast examples as Germany and particularly the United States.

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Everyone I know who works in the public sector LOATHES this government for their lying, their obsession with meaningless targets & their meddling micromanagement.

LOL! The public sector impose this sh!t government on the rest of us then moan that they don't like them. Idiots.

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Remember things like PFI and other private contracts, the workers on these schemes are officially private sector, but in reality they are shadow government workers.

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In some places they already do.

Everyone I know who works in the public sector LOATHES this government for their lying, their obsession with meaningless targets & their meddling micromanagement.

But will they vote them out? they know they have it good with job security and pension - Gordons bought the next election.

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It would be interesting to know how many government employees are labour voters, I feel there would be many glad to see shot of this government, regardless of the consequences.

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and he still wants to borrow more and increase it even further. it's been one big fiscal stimulus since 1997.

Brown is simply a junkie that needs ever bigger hits in order get high.

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Unless we become a communist country, there must be an upper bound on the proportion of the economy that is government run using the resources provided to it by the private sector.

Surely we are approaching that upper bound already and we are on the verge of a Swedish style collapse of the government infrastructure?

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I think private sector workers will end up returning Labour to power. All those government projects (££££ given to feckless companies that never deliver and allowed to get away with it), deregulations, consultants, agency staff, lax lending, lax regulation, ombudsmen who sit on their hands etc. the gravy train never runs out of steam. They've been bribed and Turkeys won't vote for Christmas.

Unlike public sector workers who've been buried in meaningless paperwork, metrics, targets, and found themselves on fixed term contracts so they can't even get redundancy payments.

:P OK, so indulging in a bit of troublemaking here but there is a point.

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I think private sector workers will end up returning Labour to power. All those government projects (££££ given to feckless companies that never deliver and allowed to get away with it), deregulations, consultants, agency staff, lax lending, lax regulation, ombudsmen who sit on their hands etc. the gravy train never runs out of steam. They've been bribed and Turkeys won't vote for Christmas.

You're correct, the government is intending to borrow and spend billions, yet all their projects are being axed or scaled back, including the olympic budget, which means Labour are intending to spend it on people rather than things, which is quite easy, as added workers doesn't naturally equate to increased output or the building of real assets when it comes to the public sector.

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You're correct, the government is intending to borrow and spend billions, yet all their projects are being axed or scaled back, including the olympic budget, which means Labour are intending to spend it on people rather than things, which is quite easy, as added workers doesn't naturally equate to increased output or the building of real assets when it comes to the public sector.

Given their plans for the reform of social security I'd be pretty surprised if it goes into public sector jobs. They'd much rather give it to some multi-nationals and staff it out of agencies and consultancies. Despite broad concensus from everyone just about, will they hire NHS cleaners again? Nope. How about reform of the Corporate Slave-wage Subsidy Payment (I think its called Working Tax Credits more formally). Nope. Pay no attention to what the pin-striped suit behind the curtain is doing and by all means, scream and shout about socialism. Something is rotten alright but people are easily deceived through their prejudices.

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Just move to the North East and you can live the dream now. Government spending/employment accounts for 60% of the economy there, greater than East Germany

if you think geordi lands living the dream then N.IRELAND must be utopia it was 63% at june 2006 and as far as i,ve read lately its now 73%.

below from wikipedia

Public sector the public sector accounts for 63% of the economy of Northern Ireland, which is substantially higher than 43% of the United Kingdom as a whole. In total, the British government subvention totals £5,000m, or 20% of Northern Ireland's economic output.[13]

Many Unionists in Northern Ireland argue that a United Ireland could not sustain these levels of public sector employment, particularly as only 36% of the economy of the Republic of Ireland is contributed by government expenditure. Many in favour of a United Ireland argue that it is this dependence on the public sector that dissaudes potential investors, causing Northern Ireland's relative poverty.

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Given their plans for the reform of social security I'd be pretty surprised if it goes into public sector jobs. They'd much rather give it to some multi-nationals and staff it out of agencies and consultancies. Despite broad concensus from everyone just about, will they hire NHS cleaners again? Nope.

The NHS are forced to do that so they can spend the money on managers instead, millions more of them. I'm sure public workers that do real jobs are going to be shafted the same as everyone else.

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It would not matter if over 50% of the population worked in the public sector if we had a functioning, happy and reasonably secure society. I don't know if it's the case now, but weren't 50% of jobs in France in the public sector until recently? I've worked in the public sector, private sector and I've also been self-employed, so I have no particular bias on this.

I agree, what the public sector needs is proper management. There is too much self-serving and non-productive inter-departmental and intra-professional stuff going on, plus conferences and un-neccessary training. When I worked in the public sector I was sent on numerous training and staff development courses. In the private sector, training consisted of being shown how to do something then left to get on with it.

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"Surely this means because Ponzi Brown isn't cutting back either sacking workers or cutting wages the collapse the UK is getting closer."

Ponzi Brown has been cutting back for years now - and recent announcements - overshadowed by all other "news" - you guys have failed to realise he is cutting staff and Civil Service and Council levels.

But as some else pointed out - what Gordie is also doing is encouraging the rapid deployment of services to outsourced companies not only in this country but in India too.

So I guess, in effect yes, if you count the massive outsourcing he is doing to Councils, Civil service etc - then yes, it could be that indirectly 50% of the workforce is INDIRECTLY employed by the Govt.

May be you've hit the nail on the head - and that's his game plan.

As to the post saying that all public sector would vote Labour - we won't - I did a recent poll in my office - and only 2/25 would vote labour - and interestingly - vast majority would vote liberal.

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Everyone I know who works in the public sector LOATHES this government for their lying, their obsession with meaningless targets & their meddling micromanagement.
LOL! The public sector impose this sh!t government on the rest of us then moan that they don't like them. Idiots.

[sarcasm] Yes, I know. One of the perks of being a public sector employee is that you're allowed to vote unlike those poor sods in the private sector. [/sarcasm]

There are a helluva lot of public sector employees who are actually trying to do something that they believe is worthwhile. They don't impose firefighting or medical care, they want to do it. This wretched government with its managerialist meddling makes that progressively harder for them to do.

And more expensive for all of us to boot.

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It would be interesting to know how many government employees are labour voters, I feel there would be many glad to see shot of this government, regardless of the consequences.

Interesting point. I've just joined the civil service from the private sector. I place the blame for everything bad that has happened to the economy squareley on the shoulders of Brown & co. I know the country needs a change in government... BUT... when it comes down to it, key to me is job security. I will probably have to vote Labour despite what I know is right.

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The public sector provide a bl**dy good service...all be it more that a touch wasteful, just like the BTL landlords.....the rest of us have to pay for it. ;)

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As to the post saying that all public sector would vote Labour - we won't - I did a recent poll in my office - and only 2/25 would vote labour - and interestingly - vast majority would vote liberal.

For the same reasons though, because they assume the liberals would undertake an orgy of public spending. Mind you, by voting Liberal they're essentially voting Tory, which is why when push comes to shove your colleagues will grudgingly put a tick next to Labour. Turkey's don't vote for Christmas.

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