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  1. I don't think so? the following advertise certain services http://www.gold.ie/ but I have never dealt with them and certainly could not vouch for them.

    There is always Chards in Blackpool - which is probably the nearest

    He he he, i've been around them all(ATS/Chards/Bairds/ in person Uk tour 2006/2007 buying under 5k at a time,so the gobberment/banksters don't get too nosey into my affairs. B)

    I've also use www.gold.ie for coins but i waited 3 weeks, they buy it from a bullion dealer from America that sells to banks etc and got customs holding on to it thinking it was jewellery ,so had to send sign fax to( fedex courier) saying it was investment gold coins.their coins were scratch,not nice and shiny like bairds/Ats..etc

    bought it from them at 3% over spot price and they told me i could sell back to them at 1-3% commission over spot price. :)

    I have had no problems selling on Ebay,but i always wanted a cheque ,but i think now one has to use paypal when selling costly goods which i hate,and don't trust much

    I'm now looking into buying some silver from coininvest.com which are trustworthy.

  2. Are the short of gold people doing alright? :unsure:

    Now! now! Goldfinger don't be teasing the short sellers. :lol:

    The shorts have been fooled again.

    I see Bairds have sold out in certain gold coins, looks like people are getting interested in this gold bull. :P

  3. eh yeah he did :blink::unsure::o lol, he said we willl show you how to buy physical Gold LMBFAO what does he know that we dont :(

    He should keep his frigging gold ramping quite for a wee bit longer, it's to early to be having the public/hairdressers/shoeshiners...in yet. :P

    I am waiting for our friends in the fed (cartel)to be like clockwork, and push gold down to about $910 by tomorrow before there .50 rate cut that their cronies in wall street are crying for, i don't believe we will see under $900 again.

  4. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=3756665n

    A nice 15 min video of the usa foreclosures ,involving people who got money for taking on a 100% mortgage (northern rock style) live in it for a few years take out equity and then strip it of all internal fittings £30000+.

    About the sharks in wall street stripping and dicing these lovely mortgages and selling them to your pension funds etc.. and houses losing 70% and still falling.

    also about the trillions of bonds out there lurking about that nobody knows whats sh!t is in them and worth $000

    All coming near you soon not to be missed. :ph34r: :ph34r:

    some of the participants quotes. :D:lol:

    Steve Kroft: "It sounds complicated but it's really very simple. Banks lent hundreds of billions of dollars to homebuyers that can't pay them back. Wall Street took the risky debt, dressed it up as fancy securities and sold them round the world as safe investments. If it sounds a little bit like a shell game or a ponzi scheme, in some ways it was".


    "Matt and Stephanie Valdez say they knew exactly what they were doing when they bought this small two bedroom house for $355,000."

    ....They cannot refinance because the value of the house fell below the existing mortgage. They say they can afford the higher payments but see no point in making them.

    Matt: The value of the house keeps going down and the payments keep going up. Where's the logic in that?Stephanie: Why make a $3200 a month payment on a 1200 square foot home? It makes no sense.

    Steve Kroft: But that's what you agreed to do when you bought the house.

    Stephanie: Fine if the value was going up. The value is going down.

    Steve Kroft: You are saying essentially you are going to stop making payments.

    Stephanie: The only advice we've gotten so far is to walk away.

    60 Minutes Legitimizes Walking Away

    What 60 minutes described was a Beautiful Model For Fraud. That model is now imploding as all fraudulent schemes eventually do. And for those on the fence, 60 Minutes may just have legitimized it walking away.

    The LA Times is writing A tipping point? "Foreclose me ... I'll save money"

    A homeowner who can't sell his house tells the L.A.Times, "Foreclose me. ... I'll live in the house for free for 12 months, and I'll save my money and I'll move on."

    " Banks and lenders fear this kind of thinking -- that walking away from a house could be the smart economic move -- appears to be on the rise. Wachovia, in a conference call yesterday, warned investors that increasing numbers of homeowners are walking away from their homes by choice: "... people that have otherwise had the capacity to pay, but have basically just decided not to because they feel like they've lost equity, value in their properties..."

    Stephanie: Why make a $3200 a month payment on a 1200 square foot home? It makes no sense.

    Steve Kroft: But that's what you agreed to do when you bought the house.

    Stephanie: Fine if the value was going up. The value is going down.

    Steve Kroft: You are saying essentially you are going to stop making payments.

    Stephanie: The only advice we've gotten so far is to walk away.

    60 Minutes Legitimizes Walking Away

    What 60 minutes described was a Beautiful Model For Fraud. That model is now imploding as all fraudulent schemes eventually do. And for those on the fence, 60 Minutes may just have legitimized it walking away.

    The LA Times is writing A tipping point? "Foreclose me ... I'll save money"

    A homeowner who can't sell his house tells the L.A.Times, "Foreclose me.

    I'll live in the house for free for 12 months, and I'll save my money and I'll move on."

    Banks and lenders fear this kind of thinking -- that walking away from a house could be the smart economic move -- appears to be on the rise. Wachovia, in a conference call yesterday, warned investors that increasing numbers of homeowners are walking away from their homes by choice: "... people that have otherwise had the capacity to pay, but have basically just decided not to because they feel like they've lost equity, value in their properties..."

    Intentional Foreclosure: The New Trend

    CBS13 is talking about the New Trend in Sacramento: 'Intentional Foreclosure'.

    This is how it works. Bob paid $420,000 for his home. Then he notices the house across the street, with more upgrades, and is selling for $315,000.

    So Bob, who has pretty good credit, decides to buy the cheaper house. He can't afford both, so then he walks away from his original home, letting it fall into foreclosure. That wi

  5. In the last week I have heard of several developers/builders in trouble from Portrush, Omagh and Cavan.

    Though I imagine this is happening all over now. The banks need their money back.

    Can't name names for legal reasons <_<

    I was talking to a friend who was talking to a fellow builder from Omagh,that said a developer/builder business model was overly and seriously flawed in Omagh and went bankrupt, the said developer/builder were building around 170 houses, and the name is B-----ts.

    Maybe the Bank wanted their money back. ;)

    The friend also said that his cousin bought a house that was value at 250k but she got it value last week before she was to move in and it was valued at 150k, O dear me, what a drop, she is going to move in anyway, (no choice) :ph34r:


  6. Morgan Stanley issues full US recession alert

    Mr Berner -- known at Morgan Stanley as the "resident bull" -- is one of the most closely watched analysts on Wall Street. While he began to turn bearish last April as the credit markets turned nasty, the latest report is written in tones that may is rattle the fast-diminishing band of optimists.


    Things must be really bad in Wall street ,what next Benake mentioning the next Depression for 2008/2009 B):ph34r:

  7. Everyone is free to argue with it if they wish but this won't change the fact I was, am and will be totally right; and that failure to own at least some gold will doom their financial future for many years to come.

    This is 100% correct, guaranteed.

    I think 2008 is going to be very interesting, the financial ponzi schemes seems to be in deep poo poo.

    Given the choice of having money in the bank etc. or gold or silver burying in the back garden along with the veggies, i would prefer the worms and snails looking after it,at least the worms can't steal it. :ph34r::lol:

  8. Looks much worse than is reported. :ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

    With credit markets sinking into deeper turmoil ...

    With more severe losses spreading to a wider range of financial institutions ...

    And with the Fed's rate cuts thus far failing to stem the crisis ...

    We are coming dangerously close to a money panic.

    Few Wall Street analysts are talking about this in public. Fewer still understand its potential consequences. Many don't even know what a money panic is. But historians do. They realize that ...

    A money panic is a stampede from greed to fear, risk to safety, buying to selling. Once set into motion, it can spin out of control, feeding on itself, wrecking havoc in financial markets.

    Moreover, the data I'll share with you in this in-depth issue shows that, if not averted, a money panic could ...

    * Threaten the solvency of major Wall Street firms like Bear Sterns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch or Morgan Stanley.

    * Increase the risk of future failure among large banks like Bank of America, Citibank, HSBC, JPMorgan Chase or Wachovia.

    * Even force certain kinds of money market funds to break their solemn process of preserving your capital.

    No one can predict the future. But right now, the panic is already spreading from big brokers and banks to local governments and a few money market funds. Just last week, for example:

    * Florida's Local Government Investment Pool, a fund for local Florida governments, was frozen to stop a rush of withdrawals by panicked investors. Until recently, the fund had $27 billion. Last month, it fell to $15 billion due to mortgage-related losses and mass withdrawals. And on Thursday morning alone, before Florida slapped the freeze on withdrawals, the fund lost $3.5 billion!

    * Montana's school districts, cities and counties withdrew $247 million from the state's $2.4 billion investment fund after officials said the rating on one of the pool's holdings was lowered to "default" level.

    * Countrywide Financial caused more shock waves. One week ago, I explained why I believe the company is on a collision course with bankruptcy. (Click here for the details.) Now, we learn that state funds like Florida's may have substantial investments in the company's banking subsidiary, downgraded in August and likely to be downgraded again.

    Even certain money funds, thought to be safe from the turmoil, have felt repercussions. Bloomberg's David Evans puts it this way:

    "Unbeknownst to most investors, some of the largest money market funds today are putting part of their cash into one of the riskiest debt instruments in the world: collaterized debt obligations (CDOs) backed by subprime mortgage loans ...

    "U.S. money market funds run by Bank of America Corp., Credit Suisse Group, Fidelity Investments and Morgan Stanley held more than $6 billion of CDOs with subprime debt in June, according to fund managers and filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Money market funds with total assets of $300 billion have invested in subprime debt this year."

    Some examples cited by Bloomberg:

    * The Credit Suisse Group Institutional Money Market Fund Prime Portfolio held 8% of its $22.8 billion of assets in commercial paper secured by subprime home loans as of June 30.

    * Two AIM money market funds owned $2.64 billion of CDO commercial paper that was invested in subprime debt, also in June.

    * Fidelity Investments, the world's biggest mutual fund company, owned $2.3 billion in CDO-issued commercial paper in two money market funds as of May 31.

    * Fidelity Cash Reserves Fund, the biggest money market fund in the U.S., had 1.5% of its $98.2 billion of assets invested in CDO commercial paper backed by subprime debt.

    * The Fidelity Institutional Money Market Portfolio had 2.3% of its $32.3 billion in assets such as commercial paper.

    * Federated Investors, the third-largest U.S. manager of money market funds, had seven money market funds with a total of more than $1 billion of commercial paper issued by Bear Stearns-managed CDOs at the end of June.

    * Bank of America's Columbia Cash Reserves and Columbia Money Market Reserves funds owned more than $600 million of Bear Stearns' CDOs. And ...

    * Wells Fargo runs three money market funds which held a total of $1.5 billion in CDO commercial paper, also on June 30.

    To their credit, some of these funds have since trimmed their riskier holdings. But the above list barely scratches the surface. Looking ahead, money funds like these will either ...

    (a) have to dump their mortgage-backed securities, driving down the market value of those investments even further. Or worse ...

    (B) get stuck with these sinking investments and let their own shares break below the $1-per-share price that's mandatory for a money fund's survival.

    Right now, the companies that manage the money funds are stepping in to inject capital and prevent this potentially disastrous break-the-buck scenario. But they are under no legal obligation to do so. And if they don't ... that's when you could see a full-fledged money panic unfold.

    In a moment, I'll name some money funds that are not vulnerable. But first, let me explain why I believe this particular panic is so unique.

    Close Encounters with a

    Panic of the Third Kind

    I first began studying the history of financial panics nearly four decades ago, when I was an undergraduate at New York University.

    I learned about the panics of 1833, 1837 and 1857, which were the result of speculative land booms stimulated by the westward advance of the nation's first railroads.

    I studied the panic of 1901, the outcome of a battle to corner the stock market and take over the Northern Pacific Railroad.

    I delved into the "rich man's panic" of 1907, which followed a boom in corporate mergers ... the 1920-21 panic precipitated by the liquidation of excess business inventories ... plus the 1929 panic that came with the unraveling of a huge stock market pyramid built by brokers, banks, industrial tycoons and speculators.

    And from my graduate student dorm at Columbia University, I even published a book dedicated to this subject.

    I found that history has brought us two kinds of panics:

    1. Panics brought on by a collapse of assets with liquid markets — such as stocks, bonds and certain commodities.

    2. Panics caused mostly by the collapse of assets without liquid markets — such as business inventories, land or locomotives.

    Today, there's no evidence that these 19th or 20th century-type panics will be repeated. Too much — especially the active intervention of central banks — has changed since then. But there is abundant evidence that we are now experiencing close encounters with a money panic of a third kind.

    Indeed, according to banking regulators, there are three kinds of assets in the world:

    Level One assets are actively traded. You can know exactly how much they're worth based simply on their price in the open market.

    Level Two assets are not actively traded. But they're similar enough to actively traded assets to give you a reasonable estimate of their value.

    Level Three assets are the most slippery. In addition to having no active market, they're so unique, there's no reliable way to estimate their true value. Instead, all that banks and regulators can do is guess. And the only tools they have to support their guesswork are unproven mathematical formulas.

    Here's the key:

    The money panic brewing today is driven largely by this third kind of asset — derivatives of questionable value that were artificially created by Wall Street brokers, officially sanctioned by Washington regulators, and falsely rated by Wall Street rating agencies.

    These are the sinking assets that are hitting the big Wall Street firms ... panicking investors in Florida and Montana ... even threatening some money market funds.

    The irony:

    Everyone finally recognizes that these assets are collapsing. But since there's no way of measuring their value until after they're dumped on the market, no one can possibly know how bad that collapse really is until it's too late.

    Think of it this way: You own General Motors. You check its share price daily. And you see it's sinking in value. You may decide to tolerate the loss and continue to monitor the situation closely. Or you may decide to cut your loss and get out. Either way, at least you know how much damage it's doing to your portfolio.

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    But now, let's say you own some of these hard-to-name, impossible-to-value CDOs that are causing so much grief to investors today. You can't find it on the Web. You can't ask your broker what's happening. The only way you can determine its value is to take the plunge and dump it on the market at whatever price it'll fetch.

    That's the situation investors are facing with level three assets right now:

    Thousands of local governments, banks and individuals have no idea of exactly when, where or how much they're losing. And it is this unusual level of uncertainty that's creating the conditions for a money panic.

    What about the Treasury's efforts to freeze that rate of interest on these investments in order to help millions of homeowners avoid foreclosure? That just adds still more uncertainty, throwing not only the value but also the yield on these securities into question.

    Look. I've been screaming "Bloody murder!" about these assets since they were first created. My father did the same before me. But no one would listen. And now, I'm concerned that it could be too late.

    Some of Wall Street's Largest Firms Have More

    Level Three Assets Than They Have Capital

    Specifically, according to data compiled by the Financial Times:

    Merrill Lynch has $27.2 billion in level three assets, the equivalent of 70% of its stockholders' equity. In other words, for each $1 of its capital, Merrill has 70 cents in assets of questionable and uncertain value.

    Goldman Sachs has $51 billion in level three assets, or 130% of its equity.

    Bear Sterns has sunk its balance sheet even deeper into the level-three-asset hole, with $20.2 billion, 155% of its equity.

    Lehman Brothers is in a similar situation — $34.7 billion, or 160% of its equity. And ...

    Morgan Stanley tops them all with $88.2 billion in level three assets, or 250% of its capital. That's an unwieldy $2.50 cents in level three assets for each dollar of capital. It implies that, in the absence of new capital infusions, all it would take is a 40% loss — and Morgan Stanley's capital could be 100% wiped out.

    Bottom line: The huge Wall Street write-downs you've heard about to date — among the largest in history — could be just the tip of the iceberg.

    Major U.S. Banks Are Also

    Overloaded With Derivatives

    Derivatives are bets — sometimes good bets, sometimes bad ones. And the mortgage-backed securities that are ground zero of this crisis are also derivatives. But they're not the only derivatives that could be vulnerable.

    My forecast: There are two kinds of derivatives that I believe could be directly impacted by a money panic:

    * Interest-rate derivatives. If you think interest rates are going down, you could use these to take one side of the bet. If you think rates are going up, you could use them to take the other side.

    * Credit-swap derivatives. If you think a particular borrower is relatively secure, you'd use these to take one side of the bet. Or if you think the borrower is likely to default, you'd take the other side.

    The worrisome reality, according to the U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC):

    The rate of growth in these derivatives has been explosive.

    At the end of 1994, the total "notional" value of interest-rate and credit derivatives held by U.S. banks was $9.9 trillion. And at the time, I thought that was a lot.

    But as of the latest reckoning (June 30, 2007), it was $135.1 trillion, or 13.6 times more!

    That's a growth of 1,260% in a huge-but-esoteric investment area that I think could be at the core of a money panic.

    And it gets worse:

    All told, there are 968 U.S. commercial banks that invest in derivatives. But among them, 963 banks hold a meager 1.5% of all the interest-rate and credit derivatives in America.

    In contrast, just five banks hold an amazingly large 98.5% of all the interest-rate and credit derivatives.

    From all my studies of history, I find that to be the worst concentration of risk of all time.

    The five banks: JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, Wachovia and HSBC. How much risk are they taking? No one knows for sure. But therein lies one of the primary problems.

    Yes, we know that not all derivatives are risky.

    And yes, we know that the huge "notional" values of the derivatives can overstate their size.

    But we also know that the formulas and models used to evaluate their risk levels may not hold up under panicky market conditions.

    So although most derivatives can be accurately priced right now, they may be impossible to price in a money panic, much like level three assets.

    Huge Exposures

    To Credit Risk

    Helping to cut through some of the uncertainty, the OCC evaluates the credit exposure of each U.S. bank holding derivatives. In other words, it asks the question:

    Regardless of whether the bet is a win or a loss, what happens if the investor on the other side of the bet doesn't pay up?

    In normal times, such payment defaults are rare. So this is largely a theoretical question. But in a money panic, when markets can go haywire and available cash financing can suddenly dry up, a chain reaction of defaults could make this a very urgent and practical question.

    Here are the answers, according to OCC data:

    Overall, including all types of derivatives ...

    Wachovia has credit exposure that's equivalent to 89% of its capital. In other words, if all of its counterparties defaulted on their bets with Wachovia, nearly nine-tenths of its capital would be wiped out.

    Bank of America is exposed to the tune of 99% of its capital. Assuming no capital infusions, it could be virtually wiped out in an extreme money panic scenario.

    And at three banks, the panic would not have to be quite that extreme:

    * Citibank has 292% of its capital exposed to this kind of credit risk.

    * JPMorgan Chase has 387% of its capital exposed.

    * HSBC beats them all with an exposure of 388% of its capital. That means that even if its counterparties defaulted on just 26% of their bets, its capital could be wiped out.

    Now, remember what I told you about level three assets — that they don't have a regular place to trade.

    Well, we could say something similar about the overwhelming majority of derivatives: They are not traded on regulated exchanges. Rather, they are traded over the counter, based on individually negotiated contracts.

    In other words, if there's a default, the parties have to work through it directly, one on one. Exchange authorities are not going to step in to help manage the crisis for them.

    And currently, four of the five U.S. banks I named earlier trade over 90% of their derivatives in this way — outside of regulated exchanges.

    At JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank and HSBC, the derivatives they trade outside of exchanges represent 94%, 93%, 97% and 97% of their total, respectively. Only Wachovia has a somewhat lesser amount in this category — 77%.

    End result: Still more uncertainty, still more vulnerability to a money panic.

    Coming Tuesday, December 11:

    The Fed's Next Belated Response

    Fed Chairman Bernanke and his colleagues don't talk about a panic in plain daylight. They dare not even utter the word. But I have little doubt that, behind closed doors, they're talking — and thinking — about it long past the bedtime of most investors.

    They know all about last week's panic withdrawals from the Florida and Montana funds.

    They know about the surprisingly large losses at some money funds.

    They are aware of the collapsing and uncertain value of level three assets ... the big exposure to these assets at major Wall Street firms ... and the grave uncertainty revolving around trillions of dollars in derivatives.

    They're not going to let the financial markets slide into a money panic without a fight. Quite the contrary, next Tuesday, December 11, the Fed is going to:

    * Slash the discount rate by a quarter or even a half point ...

    * Cut their target rate for short-term interbank borrowings (Fed funds), also by a quarter or a half point ...

    * Restate, even more firmly, their readiness to do whatever it takes to avert a money panic, and ...

    * Even come up with some new, creative ways to pump desperately needed cash into institutions likely to suffer the brunt of a money panic.

    For the U.S. economy, already sinking into recession, I think it will be too little, too late.

    But for the U.S. dollar, it will be too much, too soon. Its value will plunge anew. Foreign currencies — especially crisis currencies like the Japanese yen — will surge still further.


  9. No Excuse. Do not pass Go - ohh and pick up another free £200.

    Hate this sort of sh1t. I was homeless at sixteen, never once have I taken from the public purse. Yes I've gone hungry. Yes I've been cold. And yes, thank you very much, extreme hard work sorted it all out. Yes at 30 I was in cardiac care because of work. Yes at 22 I had my first heart incident due to doing 120 hours a week. I'm in no regular Joe business. I'm able to suport my own family. Apparently I've got to pay for other peoples as well.

    You, along with the bankers and politicians make working peoples lives a misery.

    On the other hand, because this God awful government has wrecked real industry many people, maybe like yourself have not alternative.

    Beween you and Northern Rock I can't see the Govt getting a penny from me any more.

    Bloody good for you! ;)

    I'm supporting my family as well feeding from the trough, like others. :P

    Well if you have worked at sea etc,then you have done hard work.

    I have worked and slept on the job in a dangerous life threating environment where one cannot be insured for it being so dangerous and would have done 216 hours a week with 3 hours sleep at times and at other times no sleep for 48 hours at a time,so my heart goes out for you's stress out high earners. :rolleyes:

    And as for advisers/consultants, hey its an opinion,and its like an ars*hole ,every one got one. :ph34r:

    But hey i woke up,and now i'm getting well looked after feeding from the trough thank-you.

    As being on the sick benefits, i told the doctor that god talks to me, so he said i suffer from delusions, just like all other nuts that have the faith. :lol:

  10. 39 yrs old

    Beating the system, got sick of doing real jobs for low pay. :angry:

    Incapacity, Dla ,9( NO FREE CAR YET) :P

    STR now getting rent paid. :lol:

    married 4 kids getting dla for 2 + carers allowance.

    ;) separated to get more of you high earners taxes. ;)

    Earn above average benefit claimants a year :P

    I was pissed of at the rest of society milking the system so decided to join the politicians/bankers public sector workers. B)

  11. Thanks all - Mrs Tuffers and I have agreed that 18 months of our life is nothing compared to paying an enormous mortgage for 25 years. We are going to sit it out while the business gets up and running and see how the land lies in 2009 :)

    Good to see you have wised up,things are going to get a lot worse over the next 2-3 years and the same people living in those houses you like,will be feeling helpless and will be grateful with you cash offer of 200-250k. :)

    Good luck with the buissness, i'm also setting one up too. :unsure:

  12. I only registered to post on the lurkers amnesty thread but a comment that ******ing stupid on NI has got to be responded to.

    Without Adams and McGuinness, whatever people think about them, there would be no peace process. John Hume gets some credit as well. Respect to Paisley for finally coming aboard, but he took his ******ing time.

    As for house prices, it won't be long before Ireland's united in crashing massively together.

    Adams and McGuinness, Paisley and co are just another group with their snouts in the trough, just like the mainland.

    Its a pity there aren't more honest politicians like Ron Paul. Besides i don't vote for any of the piggy's in N/I sick to the teeth of them all.

    As for house prices, it won't be long before global countries unite in crashing massively together. ;)

  13. I don`t know about Bulls******s but I remain an adamant Bear on the metal men have killed for. ;)

    You better be adamant in staying out of the way of the printing machines in case you are hyperinflated now they are working 24 hours a day in all currency's. :P:ph34r::ph34r:

    I also remain an adamant Bear on the paper people have died for, felling trees and getting caught underneath the weight of it all. :lol:

    Fresh emergency action to pump funds into the money markets was announced on Friday night by the European Central Bank amid renewed fears that liquidity in the credit markets is again starting to dry up. :ph34r:

    On Friday night, the bank said it would inject an unspecified amount of extra liquidity next week, noting ?re-emerging tensions? ? and would do so until at least the end of the year. :ph34r:


  14. That sounds quite bad [for them] if they're phoning people they were in contact with 15 months ago!

    Couldn't believe it after 15 months, anyway i am renting now and am a lot more secure that i am from the sale of my 3 bedroom sh*thole now i thinking that was an excellent idea now that i see the crash happening. B)

    Didn't have the heart to inquire more and couldn't be ar$ed listening to crap as to why i was a lucky boy to be honour to receive an inquiry. :rolleyes:

  15. Thought i cheer you's up, I'm just after getting a phone call from Ulster Property sales estate agentss and asked if i was still looking a property as i was outbid in the last house i was looking at through the Downpatrick branch with them about 15 months ago, the desperate sales adviser said we were just looking through are mailing list and were just curious.(desperate to SAVE our jobs,and please help us,we're twiddling our thumbs looking across the desks at each other and wondering which one or is it all of us going onto the broo before or after xmas.) :ph34r::lol::lol::lol::lol:

  16. Good to see golds has recovered,soon to see it go to $1000 dollars+ for the santa claus season,the bilderbergs must be pissed off at 800+ after all their efforts on suppressing the price.

    Interesting to see the George Osborne Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer is also a member of the elite group. :ph34r:


    Also i wonder what effect on bank withdrawals to the already wobbling finance system the loss of these cds with 25 million names of bank accounts etc will have, if people then put their trust in gold or cash under the mattress where as there is no third party incompetence involved. B)

    I am going to do another run on my bank accounts tomorrow and use it up before somebody else does. <_<



  17. every article i have read on this suggests the bidders value the company at near zero and the shareholders will get next to nothing

    no doubt i will be proved completely wrong, but until i see the market open tomorrow, i'm sticking with my end of day close price of 8p

    If Branson buys NorthernRock, they won't be a Virgin anymore! Man will they get focked when the British housing market crashes. :lol::lol::lol:

  18. This independent report explains why Gold is a great investment. :P

    All the bears should read this report as to why gold will reach $2000+ soon and about the gold cartel suppressing the price of gold.

    Remonetisation of gold:

    Start hoarding

    We are raising our mid-cycle gold price estimate to

    USD900/oz from USD750/oz and see the possibility of a spike

    to USD2,000, or higher. Covert selling (via central bank lending)

    has artificially depressed the price for a decade.

    Central banks have 10–15k tonnes of gold less than their

    officially reported reserves of 31k. This gold has been lent to

    bullion banks and their counterparties and has already been sold

    for jewellery, etc. Non-gold producers account for most and may

    be unable to cover shorts without causing a spike in the gold price.

    There is a supply deficit in the gold market of around 1,300

    tonnes p.a. before any central bank selling and perhaps 700

    tonnes p.a. after "official" sales, but before covert selling. This

    compares with world gold mine output of only 2,500 tonnes p.a..

    Some central banks, notably Russia, are starting to buy gold.

    told acts as an early warning of potential crisis such as rising

    inflationary/deflationary pressures and general confidence in

    paper currency, especially the USD. A strongly rising gold price

    could have severe consequences for US monetary policy and the

    USD. History suggests that gold always wins against an inflating

    paper currency (i.e. one subject to excessive supply growth).

    gold and gold mining stocks are poised for an unprecedented

    rise in prices and profile. Investors in UK/European equities need

    to assess the implications for their portfolios. Global/hedge funds

    may be better placed to respond. Anglo American is the only large

    cap gold/precious metals play domiciled in Europe.

    Paul Mylchreest

    Investment Analyst

    +44 20 7621 5257

    [email protected]

    The full report can be down loaded here


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