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  1. Ok, if you do not like CPI forget CPI, but RPI also has always been lower than 5% recently. How do you come up with 10% - 12%? have you got a link or a reference? It seems really really high!
  2. Rubbish, I have never said that... Do you have a crystal ball? Are you a fortune teller? No! Well, do not pretend you know what I meant then. I obviously know what I meant and what I think better than you do. You keep insulting me and pretending I have said some things I have never said. What do I have to do more than saying: I have never said I would take foreigners before British, you have misunderstood me. I have ONLY said I would prefer a hard working Polish over a lazy British. (this is the 100th time I am repeating this simple concept). Given a hard-working British and lazy Polish, I would of course go for the British one. The point I raised is that for Polish peole the minimum wage is a good wage (at least initially) and so there are many very hard working Polish people looking for minimum wage jobs, this is why people are happily employing them: because they are hard working (and not because they are Polish). This is all I have said! I have expressed my thoughts on a topic, you are free to express yours on the same topic. I do not know why instead you have started insulting me. If I say A and you think B, say "I think B", but do not call me bigot, ridicuolus and rude because I have said A, especially when you then pretend I have said C, a completely made up distorted version of A. I also want to say I am not back-pedalling, I am constantly repeating exactly the same things! If you think I am back pedalling maybe you are starting to see that you misunderstood me initially. Haven't you got anything better to do than accusing me for no reason whatsoever? You see, in this forum people should express their views of various topics, and this is what I have done. If you were saying: "I think you are wrong for this reason, so I think xxx is the right thought" you would be constructive... but accusing me destructively and distorting my views is a waste of time, it's off topic and does not interest anyone. Also you talking at a personal level, which is never nice, especially when you do not know me, you have misunderstood all I have said, and you're using very negative adjectives to describe me. Who's rude? Are you kidding me?! This is what I have said since the beginning and this is what I have been repeating all the way through. You are right! But so am I! We are saying the same thing here... Ok, when have I ever talked about colours? I hope you will not start pretending I have talked about colours as well. I hope you get paid to spend time insulting me unjustly, otherwise you must have a very sad and boring life to spend your time doing this pointless thing.
  3. Stop pretending you know what I meant, but more importantly stop using negative adjectives to describe me, you are being rude. This attacks you are doing are off topic, boring and useless. I am not covering anything, I am just telling you what I meant. Do you think you know what I meant more than I do?! Well, this is silly, don't you think? As for the CV, foreign people, after a couple of jobs in the UK will have both CVs and references. You can laugh if you want. I have said very sensible things, you are not listening. You have closed your ears and your eyes, you think something about me and you are not changing your mind. This is your problem and not mine. Of course I would employ people based on merits, of course I do not use nationality to decide. All I have said is that given two people, a lazy Briton and a hard working Polish I would go for the Polish. Of course, given other two people, a lazy Polish and a hard working Briton I would go for the Briton. Is this so hard to comprehend? No, but you do not seem to get it. I do not even know why I am defending myself, you are just embarassing yourself.
  4. Yeah, thanks for the quote... exactly. We were talking about lazy chavs living off benefits and I have said I would prefer a hard working Polish person compared to a lazy chav. How do you know? Easy, CV and references... changed job every 2 weeks and unemployed most of the time? Are the few references saying you are lazy? I would not employ you. It's of course not based on nationality and not all Polish people are hard-working anyway. Haven't you got anything better to do than arguing with me about nothing?! I have said very sensible things, would you employ a lazy person? Ok, forget it...
  5. Have I ever said that? I have said I would not want to employ lazy chavs living off benefits (following a discussion to reduce benefits). I have never talked about employing only foreign people. Any hard-working Briton would of course be extremely welcome.
  6. I have said I would prefer to employ a hard working polish instead of a lazy chav living off benefits. Unless all British people are chavs living off benefits, and of course they are not, I have not been rude and I have not said I prefer to employ people from foreign countries before british people. This conversation is getting ridiculous, you are accusing me of ridiculous things and you are boring me and the rest of the people, so we should stop it.
  7. No, I am not rude (if anything you are rude by calling me rude). I am not saying immigrants work harder than british people, I am saying that immigrants work harder than a small portion of english people who prefer to get benefits rather than having to work. This is very very different. I think it goes without saying that the majority of british people are very very hard-working. Read my posts better before making claims on me and my tones.
  8. well, i get your point, but it's not very accurate... English minimum wage in Poland would be a very good salary, true, but once they come here, minimum wage is not so good anymore because the cost of living here is much much higher. Anyway, ignore this for a moment... Let's talk about "chavs" on £21 pounds per hour... Do you think that chavs would migrate to another country, learn a new language, try hard to find a job and finally work very hard if they could potentially find in that country a job that pays £21 pounds an hour (which let's say it's the minimum wage in that country)? My answer is no! Chavs would probably take a job here for £21 an hour and work relatively hard, but many would not go through all the hassle that the some Polish people are currently going through. The Polish people we get over here tend to be very determinate and hard-working, I feel we get a good selection of them. The chavs are instead a selection of lazy English people. So you cannot compare apples with oranges. Illegal immigration is again completely different, it's a selection of bad people, but I think with legal immigration we get very hard-working people. Now, go back to the example where a chav could earn £21 pounds in a foreign country... add to the equation the fact that the cost of living is much much higher there and once they get over there £21 pounds an hour is basically just a bit more than the minimum wage over here. Now the chances of them moving to this other contry is next to 0%.
  9. I still have to find stats which are really indicating that. Many stats are inconclusive. Remember that if you have wage inflation, in most cases it's then followed by price inflation and you're back to square one... This is on most books on economics. So, if you're talking about this kind of wage inflation, I am also praising immigration for keeping it under control. If instead, like me, by beneficial wage inflation you mean that the economic conditions are better and they allow for wages to increase faster without making price inflation also increae faster (cost of living) then I am not convinced immigration is preventing this from happening. Immigration is making the underlying economic conditions better, without immigration you could not, at this point in time, have beneficial wage inflation. As for the useless wage inflation immediately followed by price inflation, yeah, maybe immigration is preventing this because it's strengthening the economy and it's preventing a silly increase in wages for jobs that nobody wants to do (and a silly increase for those jobs would cause more harm than anything else). Now, I also believe that things that are not under control can turn bad... So I am totally against illegal immigration and also I am for more controlled legal immigration. I think the UK has issues now and they should be solved. I do not think we can continue this way, something should be done. But in principle I am not against immigration and I think it's causing more good than bad (again, legal immigration...).
  10. Do not put illegal immigration into the equation. I am totally against illegal immigration, this is bringing both crime and less importantly might aslo be suppressing wage inflation. Illegal immigration should be stopped. Fulll stop. As for legal immigration I am not too convinced it's bad and I am not too convinced is necessarily suppressing wage inflation. I am surprised a hotel did that. Why didn't you report the hotel to the authorities? I still think they do not count. It's an illegal pay. If I have 10 slaves and I pay them 0 pounds, would you count that? Or would you simply say I am a criminal... In my opinion there is a minimum wage and it should be respected. Employers who pay less than that have an invalid contract and as such it should not be counted and instead the employer should be immediately forced to pay more (then you can immediately count it again).
  11. Ok, first of all it still makes sense because here we are talking about immigration in general and not only about the immigration of people earning minimum wage. Many immigrants I know are doctors, pharmacists, software engineers and they earn much mor than minimum wage. Of course then many are on minimum wage, this is of course true, but you have to look at immigration as a whole and so the average meakes sense. For the example above, it would help to have mean, median mode averages instead of just the mean average (let's say median and mode of salaries rounded to the nearest 1k).
  12. Here you are missing the point... I have never said that there aren't people paid less than minimum wage, of course there are (not many though). What I have said is that it's illegal and we should not count them. If we start counting illegal things too we should then start looking at "wages" of drug dealers, kidnappers etc.. Ok, I am kidding, but you see the point. The companies paying less than minimum wage are giving wages against the law. The fact that you do not care about average wages is bad, if you keep looking at individual cases only you'll never get a full picture. The average case helps (but in itself is not sufficient of course). Also the fact that immigrants are paying more tax that natives means that they are not a cost to society. I still think that, instead of blaming immigrants for our low wages, we should stop moaning and start looking for better jobs.
  13. On the contrary, I think RPI is misleading, but here we go... Why would you want to put interest rates on mortgages into the equation when: - if you rent you do not pay them - if you paid off your mortgage you do not pay them - if you are "poverty" and live in a council house you do not pay them (this is what we were talking about right?!) - inflation is the general trend of prices increasing over time. If anything you should put house prices in the equation, but not the payments of the interests of the mortgages. But I do not expect you to agree with me and I see your point, especially for people who stretched themselves and most of their salary goes into a mortgage, they have experienced a sharp increase in the cost of living, true. This is not really inflation though, in my opinion, if tomorrow, the BOE reduced IRs to 3% they would be in a very good position... IRs can go up and down... Inflation usually only goes up... I think you should care. I know there are jobs like that, but the employers should be sued. No, the average salary of immigrants is higher than the average salary of natives. You have the common misconception that immigrants are all unskilled and all going for lower paid jobs: "Immigrants on average earn more money - and pay more taxes - than British-born workers. Migrant wage levels were on average £424 a week compared with £395 for UK-born workers, a difference of £29."
  14. Their purpose is to provide skills and labour that the UK needs. For examples foreign doctors are important, not to drive down wages (which are high anyway), but to simply have enough doctors! Ok, so all immigrants are on minimum wages, with 3 kids and wife not working, right? How much tax is paid by a British family, both unemployed and claiming benefits, with 3 children? Frankly I do not see the difference. The only difference I see that most immigrants come here to work hard. As far as prisons are concerned... I frankly believe even British criminals are a cost, not just immigrants... Think about it: you commit a murder, to thank you we give you free accomodation, free food, free tv license etc... I think people in jail should work hard (if healthy) and contribute to society, but this is off topic. What I want to say is that it's not a problem with immigration per se, but with the prisons and the justice system. Plus, I hope you'll agree with me... most immigrants come here to work and do not commit crimes (legal immigrants of course, I am against illegal immigration!).
  15. Ok, this has nothing to do with disabilities or immigration. It's a government incentive... Some companies get incentives for recruiting people with disabilities and/or from ethnic minorities. We could start discussing if this idea is right or wrong, but it would be off topic. In a normal scenario the best candidate gets the job, if this does not happen for the reason you mentioned, then you might want to discuss if such incentives are right or wrong, but it does not make immigration itself wrong. Right?
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