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  1. 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

    Delivering the Brexit people voted for was always impossible not difficult.  

    The difficult bit will be not getting crucified by the electorate for either giving them the best deliverable Brexit (not saying I think the government is capable of this) or coming clean and explaining that they cannot have what they voted for. 

    It will indeed be quite difficult to sell that lie given the entire world of contra-examples out there.

  2. 2 hours ago, WageWar said:

    She's obviously mindful that it's not acceptable to destroy people's livelihoods. Hardcore Brexiteers aren't interested in compromise or giving any ground though. Personally I don't give a ****** about your little vote or your democratic ideals. In truth you don't really care about democracy anyway.

     

    I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken whether it is a majority of one per cent or 20 per cent.

    When the British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you don’t. - Paddy Ashdown

     

    Policies destroy people's livelihoods all the time.  I hope you don't plan on voting Corbyn if you're saying that with a straight face!

    The difference is that this is a temporary disruption.

    When Ted Heath dropped New Zealand in the 70s we were their main export partner, and they got cliff edged worse than we are about to get.  They are fine.  Perspective.

  3. 17 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

    If you don't like this plan, stage one of Brexit should have been to dissolve the UK so you didn't have to worry what Arlene Foster thought about it.

    Arlene Foster's red line is that Northern Ireland stays in the UK.  She isn't concerned about a border with the Republic.  When specifically asked about a hard border they waffled but didn't rule it out.

    So.  Just Remainer fearmongering, usual stuff.

  4. Proof that T.May is selling us out is the fact that EFTA is flat out better than the dire deal that she's negotiating.

    EFTA would mean, no divorce bill, our fish is our fish, the ECJ has no jurisdiction, we are in the single market and would have to obey their rules - but not as interpreted by the ECJ, we are free to make trade deals with other nations, FOM under EFTA is free movement of labour not people (try and move to Norway without a job)...  You know, all the stuff that Barnier is saying is completely impossible.  No uncertainty either because it's off the shelf, EFTA made clear it's an option, pretty much just have to press the button.

    It may not be a desirable end state.  Maybe it will be.  But it'll certainly do as a transition, yet David Davis and co have categorically ruled it out as a bad deal.  i'm dubious, given what I hear their alternative is going to be.  They want us in.

  5. 6 hours ago, PopGun said:

    So not very Marxist at all then really?

    We have progressive taxation, 'from each according to ability.'

    Welfare is allocated purely on need.  There's no contribution required.  You rock up to the dole office, you declare you have no income and less than 16k, you get money. 'to each according to his needs'.

    I wasn't aware this was controversial, do you disagree?  

  6. 11 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

    Fair enough, what would like us to copy from them?  Getting rid of the national minimum wage?  Few restrictions on sacking people?

    The UK system is openly Marxist, when you think about it.  Welfare has as its principle 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.'   Fundamentally it's the opposite of contributions based systems, which are the ones the Nordics have.

    Depends how you define left wing but the UK is unarguably more Soviet than other 'left-wing' European nations.  Different sort of left here.

  7. 23 minutes ago, PopGun said:

    They’re more socialist than UK and like rest of Scandinavia more productive, prosperous and not as subject to the whim of banker bandits. Not perfect and have their issues of course, but suggests leftward return to centre alternative to our status quo doesn’t have to mean red shirts for everybody.

    Sweden at least is quite decentralised in many ways, consider the Swedish health service for example.  "Customer" choice is built in.

    Compare to the more Stalinist, centralised approach the UK bureaucracy always takes.

  8. 7 hours ago, crouch said:

    What bemuses me is that this forum concentrates on house prices and, in some ways, house prices are a relatively small matter in the scale of things.

    Now, I'm 72, a homeowner and retired so you can dismiss my views as simply one of the people who have gained from HPI but when I look at things from the point of view of a millennium and exclude the house price issue I would be far more concerned with problems of energy cost; demographics; AI/robotics; globalization and climate change. I understand fully wanting a house - I was no different at 30 than those currently at that age - but housing is really a minor problem as I see it and what is alarming is that these issues rarely surface.

    Shelter is one of the most basic of needs, if you're unable to obtain it then that's always going to be a very high priority for you.  

    Climate change?  You need to have all your basic needs provided before you can give much of a damn about that.

  9. Well, the young are supposed to turn into old Tories...

    ... but that's not going to happen if the precariat young become precariat old.  Why would they?  Huge swathes of the population are excluded from economic success.

    The only problem is that Labour aren't going to fix anything either, and indeed directly caused many of the problems in modern society in the first place. 

    The Tories just aren't radical enough.

  10. 6 minutes ago, ccc said:

    Good point. Although I imagine its just Blair getting his nose in where its not wanted.

    Probably.  I can't imagine the EU would actually do that. 

    But if they did...  it would be quite shocking to me.  I would certainly wonder why the hell they want us to be absorbed so badly if they did.

  11. Two of the poll options are smoke because they are unachievable.

    A reformed EU?  Nice fairytale.  Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, parliamentary supremacy ends at the border, and the EU doesn't care about your notions of reform, aside from perhaps a political ruse to split its opponents.

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