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IMHAL

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  1. Two things. First no version of Brexit was more popular than remain. Second the HoC had a poll on what they wanted and being in the SM/CU was the most popular option amongst the Brexit options. May decided to unilaterally take out the SM/CU option. That left little in the way of anything other than slight variation on what we have now. That's right. People were not told anything about what Brexit amongst the many options available. How can they have been in full posession of knowledge to make an informed decision when the type of Brexit is critical to our future. That strikes me as inadequate. Better to have had a follow up referendum to clarify the will of the people. Then I could buy into the Brexit...but no....we had to go for a full fat version that only ~10% would have voted for. Which ever way you look at it...this is not democracy. I accept that the cons won power based on the 'oven ready deal'...I think that the population was heartilly sick of the Brexit debate by then and would have signed up to anything just to put it to bed.
  2. You have avoided the main point. The Brexit we have does not reflect the general population views as to the most popular version of Brexit. The fact is that Brexit would have not got through had the population known that THIS Brexit would be enacted. I can't see that being in anyway democratic or that the population had enough information to make a choice at the time. And here we are, shortages of all type, broken supply chains, whole industries on their knees, imports/exports stymied. If that is what the majority wanted and then fair play....but I am not convinced that that was the the case.
  3. I could accept that argument had the truth not been allowed to be obscured by competing factions representing both the leave and remain sides. Can you hand on heart say that the unaccountable leave or remain factions gave a good account of what leaving would entail? My view is and has been that the referendum was seriously flawed. I doubt that such serious a referendum would have been allowed to proceed in countries experienced in such proceedures. But that is now water under the bridge. What is very concerning is that when the words of the referendum are considered and that is balanced by the wants and needs of the population as a whole, we decided to go for a leave option that few would have voted for. That is hardly democracy...that is the tail wagging the dog. That is where we are. It will not end well for us, for politics or for our nation.
  4. Nothing about what that guy says and does surprises me. He's just doubling down at the moment with cheesy soundbites. The Tories are sh1tting themselves so need to bring out the 'jam tomorrow' rhetoric to keep the labotomised on side. What annoyed me the most is that in the newsnight interview he was not pressed on how we would get to this nirvana, nothing, nada. Growing pain are a result of growing, this is shooting yourself in the foot pain.... I can see the economy being damaged much further by the time 'the people' wake up.
  5. Never had much time for that particular person. Relies too much on his 'I'm a lecturer at Manchester University' status as a cover for his lack of common sense. His 'analysis' usually consists of anecdotes about his extended family and he offloads responsibility for any of his views claiming it was his missus wot done it. The guys a royal door handle.
  6. https://www.google.com/search?q=wheelbarrow+cash+hyper+inflation&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=isnxv&sxsrf=AOaemvIy-jecgWeed6Ub3TlhfAN__bbE8Q:1632812024785&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPiOPliqHzAhV0nVwKHc_AAJEQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=1138&bih=712&dpr=2.25#imgrc=-q-lXNngHA2bHM Thinking about it........that's the first bit of Mr Bridgens Brexit plan sorted
  7. At last...I've found the plan for Brexit!!!! Guys, get your shopping trolleys ready........fill yer boots....there's more jam tommorrow there than you can shake a stick all 😂 Perhaps they can build a 'beam me up Scotty' transported so that the professor in charge of wiping old peoples ar5es on £350 an hour can actually collect his wages. Mr Brexit has gone all Comical Ali on us.
  8. You are obviously new to this. They might raise, but it will be a token amount. Most likely they will talk about tightening...but do nothing, again.
  9. Is that the EU's fault that this is no lomger possible? Many families in Greece and other countries in the EU for example can still afford a family home on one wage. The problem is more about domestic policies towards home building and lax debt. See above. It's a domestic issue. Talking about delusion... you fit the bill perfectly.
  10. Yes - I can't see the EU drivers returning either. If I were them I tell the Little Englands to go stick it up there jacksies, drive their own lorries, pick their own fruit and wipe there own grandma's ar5es. Fck em would be my reponse...and no doubt theres too. Leave N Korea on Thames to it's own devices.
  11. Silly little panic...mmm. Fishing industry down the spout, farming hot on it's heels. Imprt and export snaffu'd. Little panic ehhh? It's nothing to do with Covid...that's all Brexit. Sure I can contenmplate 'a differnt way of living'...trouble is I can't actually see what Brexit is offering other than less of everything. Yes - temporary but the fact is that this incompetent government who are in charge of getting us out of the EU are also responsible for the HGV debacle and the petrol debacle. I don't have too much faith I'm afriad. Yes - the EU is not blameless. Accepted. Get your facts straight. No one forced the Greeks to stay in the EU. They had the choice of going back to the drachma - they chose not to.
  12. so you are saying people voted to be richer. Cool. Are they any richer and is their quality of life any prospect of being greater? Did they really vote for a sustainable economy? Howe is that going? You could ask our fishing and farming industries, all those who have broken supply chains and those who are queueing up outside every petrol station up and down the country for an answer Irrelevant. The Greeks are not blameless in that debacle. They also decided to stay in the EU despite the tremendous hardships they now endure because of the failing of the EU to monitor their debt situation and because of Goldman Sachs's book cooking. No one is saying that the EUare perfec, far from, just we are worse off outside, as is evident by most who can and want to see.
  13. Leavers voted to be poorer, is that what you are saying? I thought they voted to be richer. Mind you, the reasons why leavers voted to leave changes every day. Could it be that tomorrow you will be cheering a US and Brazil trade deal where we import more goods from across the world than could be had locally. Probably. Just can't keep up with the contradiction that the Brexit spell seems to have cast over you lot.
  14. How about cooperation with our neibhours, a supply chain that works, exports and imports that don't consume a truck load of red tape, fuel at the pumps, fishing and farming not on it's backside an end to endless jars of 'jam tomorrow' and other sorry excuses as to why things don't currently work.... You keep harping on about looking forwards to life outside the EU. From where I and many people are standing, Brexit has been a big step backwards. So looking at our position now after Brexit, in comparison, our previous position represents a step forwards. What has Brexit got to offer that is better than that? If you can't answer that then you'd better stop lecturing people on looking forwards.
  15. Is there anything tangible to look forward to. What's the plan? Lot's of people are asking the same question. A deafening silence ensues.
  16. Yes - let's save that for when they pipe up again with the next stupid idea.
  17. The question is how much pain can the electorate take before they decide that an unspecified and undefined amount of 'jam tomorrow' is not worth them taking the pain today. Brexit was always a woolly shape shifting little critter. It is getting quite real now.
  18. That's right. It will never be called that when it does happen. It will be masterclass in face saving...to spare the pain and embarassment of those who voted leave.
  19. I agree with that. Small corrections are 'not allowed'...ie it is politically expedient to avert corrections in the market for the sake of governments holding onto power. They are not seen as a natural mechanism for rebalancing...rather an ill that needs to be contained. The problem is that structural inbalances are allowed to grow unchecked...which eventually leads to a very big corrections, perhaps catastrophic one.
  20. I think the government will do everything in it's power to avert a HPC. It will prioritise this over pretty much anything else. However, we do live in an interconnected world, so the government will be constrained and led by global event. If the ROW raises rates, then we will be forced to do so. I still expect the gov to put in extra props for the housing market in that event....at least until it becomes apparent that it is not saveable.
  21. LOL, we are onto the next phase of the spin machine....more pain, more jam tomorrow. Spin is fine so long as pain is just a word, when pain becomes real and felt then spin is seen for what it really is.....
  22. Well....has Brexit resulted in the average person being able to put more or less food on the table? Has housing become cheaper or more secure? This is what will matter to the public in the months and years to come.
  23. You posed the question 'will going back into the EU put everthing back to bed'. I asked you the question 'what do you mean by everything?' Your answer seems to be 'out of the EU'. I disute that that is significant to the majority of people when the priority will be to put food on the table. You can differ with me if you like on that one. Stop evading question that you have posed and then asked to clarify. It's not becomming of you....you can't possibly think that 'being out of the EU is everything'. It's nonesense. As for Labour taking us back in...politics works by harnessing the popular vote, no more and no less. When there is pain then politicians and the public mood will change. Given the current trajectory...it will not be too long before there is a mood swing. I expect sense and practicallity to previal...not dogma based on decisions made years ago and then manipulated into ulta extreem versions of 'what we thought the public voted for'. I hope that you would agree with that at least.
  24. What do you mean by everything? Do you think that Brexit has solved 'everything' or even anything?
  25. I expect 'the opostion to the current pain party' will take up that mantle. Probably a Labour party when they realise a vaccum exist that needs to be filled and it can win them power. That's how it works in a democracy.
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