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  1. Loved Rishi's resignation letter, but I see there is a bit that leaves me concerned.

    He comends BJ for 'breaking the Brexit deadlock' and at the same time he says that the public deserve to know the truth regarding the economy (he is refering to next weeks speech), in which he also alludes that BJ would have wanted him to put a positive spin on it. He also alludes that the news is not good and the outlook is difficult and the public should know this.

    My question is, is Sunak being a little disingenuous because 'getting Brexit done' was never 'sunny uplands' as they would have liked you to think...and is he sensing that the can has been kicked into the long grass...there is no more long grass...and now is the time to bail out.

    The lies have caught up with all of them. Sunak, Javid and the rest of the cabinet are all culpable. They are all as bad as each other.....

  2. 7 minutes ago, kzb said:

    Starmer is about to make a statement this afternoon according to the BBC.

    In a speech later, the Labour leader will recommit to keeping Britain out of the union's single market, customs union and free movement rules.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62034754

    All the more reason to vote libdem.

    The two main parties can fight it out for the 40 odd percent that still support Brexit.

  3. 1 hour ago, Brave New World said:

    Some elections are more equal than others. The only right elections are the one that goes the way of the US banking cartel.

    Please tell us why you think the subsequent elections in Ukraine are less democratic than prior to 2014.

    1 hour ago, Brave New World said:

     

    Interesting also you mention snipers when I mention blackwater.....but don't let that worry your simplistic understanding of the situation back in 2014.

    What is your 'less simplistic' understanding? And when it comes to that, tell us why Zelenski is in power now and why Ukrainians are not waving flowers at the invading Russians. Have they all been brain washed by the independant media?

  4. 40 minutes ago, micawber said:

    You changed the outcome of the 2010 election so I don't buy the BS about your votes being worthless.

    I voted for LD last time out. Should I just give up and have a temper tantrum because they won't form the government?

    But please answer the question that I asked you. Is the win more important than reduced division? We have all seen the result of close votes and the cancer they cause. 

     

    The Scots voted to remain in the EU by 62% to 38%. If the aim of an independant Scotland is to join the EU then the division you suggest will not be as great as is being made out.

    I know it's a secondary issue, but a very significant one.

  5. 6 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

    The Ignore list is probably best option if you've reached end of tether with him.

    There is a fine line between letting people get away with falsehoods and repeatedly calling them out. In this case, it should be apparent to most that said person is a serial whatabout'er with a pile of fantasy 'facts' thrown in.  It would be funny except the person actually believes the crap he spouts...and he is the one moaning that everyone else has been 'propagandised'..strewth!

  6. 40 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    China has a long way to go as does Russia but I think both are better than they were under their hard line Communist days , Putin apparently has an 83% approval rate amongst Russians in a recent poll Putin’s Domestic Approval Rating Reaches Highest Level In Five Years (forbes.com) but of course it could be argued that his domestic propaganda is better or that poll isn't representative of the wider population.  I have to go to work now but I will be back but acknowledge that propaganda is a tool used in the West to shape opinion here 

    Have you any objective proof that China and Russia are both better or is this another one of your made-up facts?

    Did you privide any objective proof that your assertion that Zelenski and the Ukraine is as bad as they were before 2014. No.

    I dispare that you even talk about Putin's approval rating in the context of no independant media, killing/banning/imprisoning of journo's who say anything negative about the regime and similar with opposing political parties, or protests which result in long prison terms - in the same breath you effectively try say we are doing the same level of propaganda. You are a fool, a white noise issue conflating whataboutism fool.

  7. 12 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    There is no doubt that Russia and China have serious human right failings , Russia's are brought up on this topic constantly and I have not at any point tried to claim otherwise or defend Putin . I see little point in pointing out something that so many others have already pointed out but ridiculous claims by so many that his crimes are multiple times worse than ours have to be challenged . We back some of the very worst human rights abusers in Saudi and the Gulf ,in Israel , in the US . The UK has a shocking record by itself in the last few decades including Thatcher sending UK military to help train the Khmer Rouge . The very first comment I made on this thread was "the first casualty in war is the truth"  . I have condemned Putin and his actions but that isn't good enough because I condemn the West's behaviour as well 

    Go ahead and challeng the relative human rights abuses by Russia/china in comparison to the UK/The West but do so in a way that can be compared. We are not squeaky clean and I am not about trying to absolve our misdemenours. 

    12 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    There are plenty of videos out there of men , women and children tied to trees , spray painted green and being violently assaulted and the Ukraine military and Police either joining in or ignoring others doing it . Go look for them yourself as I have no desire to see them again. Only one group on here refuse to admit one side is as bad as the other , that's because they have taken a side and put the blinkers on. 

    Again, you are guilty of identifying (unverified) isolated events without comparing the relative level of misdemenors committed by these regimes. Humans are not perfect and never will be. Please let me know when this situation has changed. It;s not great, but it is reality.

    I asked you to show proof that the level of human rights abuses under Zelensky was the same or worse than before. You have failed to do that.

    I still think you are angry to human behaviour and have little objective perspective. You accuse others of 'buying into propaganda', but you are just as guilty of not being objective because no one is 'clean' or has an unblemished record. The point is who is trying harder to be better and who is systematically abusing.

    I do get what you are saying, but your message comes across at a time when Ukrainians are being killed by the Russian aggressor. It's a good message in the wrong place and time. 

  8. 2 hours ago, Lucky Larry said:

    It's not pointing 180 deg to Russia ,  human rights issues are every bit as bad now as they were before and I have never said anything about Putin's record on Human Rights . 

    You say Ukraine's human rights abuses are every bit as bad as they were before. Provide some evidence please.

    You also say that you have never said anything about Putin's record on human rights. I agree, you are content to talk about everyone elses record without even considering how it compares. That is not balanced is it? It's the very definition of myopic.

    I understand that you are angry at any human rights abuse and those that 'accomodate' their action out of expedience. The real world is like that I am afraid. It's not an excuse for inaction, but to lay into 'the West' without regard for comparative abuses is just pathetic. You come acroos as angry at the West, probably because you have little understanding or knowledge of how bad Russia or China is when it comne to these matters.

    Try googling 'the holodimer' to see what the Ukraine had to put up with under Russia rule and you might think again about the motivations of the Ukrainian people in preventing Russian rule.

  9. 10 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    You think things have changed ? 

    I am just telling you that your assertion about human rights is correct. Yanakovych (under Russian direction) had a terrible record on Human rights and that he has gone.

    Also, change may be slow, but it's pointing 180 degrees in the opposite direction to Russia:

    Following Zelensky’s landslide victory in April and his party’s decisive victory in snap parliamentary elections, parliament adopted legislative reforms to protect whistleblowers, strip members of parliament of immunity, boost prosecutors’ effectiveness, and shield civil servants from political pressure. Ukraine’s High Anti-Corruption Court finally became operational.

    Please don't even bother asking about Human Rights in Russia. Most don't live to tell the tale.

    For someone who claims to have a broad perspective - it seems more and more that you spout what you think is the case rather than fact checking.

  10. 1 hour ago, Lucky Larry said:

    and Zelensky is a puppet of the West , as for Ukraine joining the EU they have no chance due to their human rights record . Many atrocities have been carried out by Ukraine on Russian speaking Ukrainians . The problem here is people fall over themselves to defend the criminal actions of one side while airbrushing out the criminality of the other . Ukraine is a complex problem as there has always been a Russian speaking  population living there and they have every right to be there . 

    And what is your proof that Zelensky is a puppet of the West?

    As for human rights: You are right! Ukraine under Yanakovych had a terrible record. Thankfully he is out and the people voted in Zelensky by a huge majority under real free elections.

    The International Federation for Human Rights called Ukraine "one of the countries seeing the most serious violations against human rights activists" in December 2011. As of 17 January 2013 Ukraine lost all of its 211 cases at the European Court of Human Rights.

  11. 41 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    It is our leaders in the West that created this situation , they backed the coup in 2014 that led to the civil war that has been raging for 8 years , they are the ones funding the current battles , they are the ones who have imposed the sanctions . They are using Ukraine and the Ukrainian people in a proxy war in their ongoing battle with Putin . They don't care how many die or are displaced in this game of oneupmanship and they have the ability to negotiate a peaceful outcome which is really what's needed. The reality is they don't want peace they want eternal war that is the problem and it's our problem and extremely relevant 

    That is a very 'Kremlin' take on the situation. Yanukovych was a Russian puppet president. Elections were gerrymandered and opposition was stiffled. The majority of Ukrainians wanted to join the EU which Yanukovych refused to do. The Ukrainian people had no choice but to protest. Those protests turnd ugly when the the Ukraine forces under Yanukovych used excess force to stop the protests. The protests took a life of their own and Yanukovych fled to Russia....because he was controlled by the Kremlin.

    Russia used the excuse of 'protecting Russian speakers' to send in their little green men to 'defend them'. Ukraine, rightly saw this as annexation by default and an affront to it's sovereignty by an agressor. Yes - Ukraine needed help by the West as (in case you hadn't noticed) Russia is a far far bigger power. Russia annexed the Crimea. The ultimate ambitions of  Russia in Ukraine are not known. But labelling them Nazi's indicates that they want regime change and regime change that is controlled by the Kremlin. As we see on a daily basis, they are prepared to do anything to achieve that.

    So, go ahead, blame the West if that is your disposition but that is a very warped view and not one that the vast majority of Ukrainians think...and they are the ones dying fighting for their survival and the survival of their independance and for their country.

    If you really want to promote your message then you should be talking to Ukrainians because they are the ones fighting. Somehow, I doubt you will get much sympathy...more likely you will be told to go stuff yourself.

     

  12. 2 hours ago, rollover said:

    You are clueless about the situation and just making those fart noises.

    A bit like Lavrov or Putin then. 

    I did wonder why Putin insists on the looooong table. Must be squeaky bum time in the Kremlin and the smells must carry.

    It will be sad when Putin eventually meets his demise at the hands of his generals....but I can just about live with it :)

     

  13. 1 hour ago, rollover said:

    This is funny. You must be thinking wtf have I written.

    EU nears compromise deal to defuse standoff with Russia over Kaliningrad

    Trade through Lithuania to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad could return to normal within days, two sources familiar with the matter said, as European officials edge towards a compromise deal with the Baltic state to defuse a row with Moscow.

    European officials are in talks about exempting the territory from sanctions, which have hit industrial goods such as steel so far, paving the way for a deal in early July if EU member Lithuania drops its reservations.

    It is proving hard for Europe both to stand by strict sanctions and avoid further escalation with Russia. That's why European officials, with the backing of Germany, are seeking a compromise to resolve one of their many conflicts with Moscow.

    Reuters

     

    I doubt they will let through arms and tech. They may let their version of Big Mac's through...so should keep the general pop happy :)

  14. 2 hours ago, Lucky Larry said:

    We helped put him in power in Iraq then encouraged him to wage war against Iran and supplied him with chemical weapons then when he became a loose cannon in Kuwait he was let off the hook , then there was the whole WMD debacle and an illegal war to depose him. As for Afghanistan , there is a mountain of evidence telling you bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9/11 and then Wesley Clarks disclosure that all the wars (Libya Iraq Syria etc) had been pre planned anyway. His 7 countries in 5 years talk let that one out the bag . Then there's the 5 dancing Israeli , the Project for a New American Century , Silversteins insurance doubling and Bill Cooper telling everyone the attack was imminent and bin Laden had been set up to be the Patsy. Of course it's inconceivable they would think of acting in this way until you read about Operation Northwoods which was a plan to act exactly in this way . Even the chair of the 9/11 commission said the investigation was deliberately "set up to fail" Or you could always stay asleep , it's easier that way.

    No point repeating yourself albiet in more detail. The point is that Russia's invation of Ukraine cannot be excused. 

    You made a point earlier that both sides were bad. I don't see you bringing to the fore historical atrocities perpetrated by Russia. We all know about our misdemeanours and most on here, but definately I, did not support such actions. Where is your balance?

  15. 1 hour ago, rollover said:

    That means NATO needs a trigger point, something like in 1939 when Germany was attacked by Poland, init?

    This is funny. NATO is a defensive alliance , it is not looking for confontation.

    NATO is significantly expanding it's defensive land air and sea abd land forces in response to Russian aggression. NATO is expanding to include Finland and Sweden. Wow...that must be a with for the Kremlin. Kaliningrad is isolated, it only hosts the Russians biggest navy base!!!!...

    Putin must be thinking WTF have I done!!! Time he took another bareback ride in the woods were he is best..... posing as a macho fool. Or, murdering his opponenets and jailing all independant journos to stay in power.  

  16. 18 minutes ago, Timm said:

    Bailey said he was determined to bring down inflation and was prepared to use the Bank’s power to increase interest rates aggressively in response, though he added that it may not be necessary if he had managed to destroy the UK economy faster than he had managed to destroy the pound.

    "If I can get everyone out of work and bankrupt, I won't have to raise rates", he added.

    It's pretty clear that the BoE are not in control. Words with the aim of expectation management just don't cut it. anymore. Too late for that.

  17. 2 hours ago, Lucky Larry said:

    This isn't an excuse not to criticise Putin's actions, I do but there are people on here claiming that what he is doing is magnitudes worse than what the West have been involved in , that is utter nonsense if anything the actions of the West in the past 20 years are magnitudes worse , far worse , it is the hypocrisy of the West that needs pointing out . 

    The problem with getting into 'the west is magnitudes worse that what the Russians have been involved in' is that it threatens to trivialise and excuse current event. If you look at the history of Russia (especially when it comes to Ukraine) and include their exploits in Afganistan, Georgia, Chechnya and Syria then this can be disputed too. 

    There is a place for criticising 'the West'. Using Russia's actions in a pissing contest is not the way. Each to their own tho. Personally, I have no sympathy with 'taking down Sadam', especially since we botched up the aftermath. I also have no sympthy with our involvement in Afganistan.

    As for Ukraine...they need our help against an undisputed aggressor, and we should give it to them with no quibbles. 

  18. 1 hour ago, Lucky Larry said:

    As real as the continuing massacres in Palestine , as real as all that mayhem in the Middle East and Libya that kind of real ? 

    Yes as real as all of those. I condem the Isrealis for their actions against the Palestinians and our actions against Iraq and Libya. That does not mean I can sit back when the other side is in the wrong or anyone esle and use the excuse 'well, we are bad as them'.

  19. 5 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said:

    What complete and utter bunkum , how many died in Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya and how many in Ukraine . It's this blinkered view that allows our politicians to get away with war crimes again and again

    If you are going to play the game of numbers then Stalin killed millions of his own and millions of Ukrainians in the Holodimer. Hitler killed millions. How far do you want to spread the net and how far do you want to go back in time?

    We cannot undo the past, what matters is now. Your position is tantamount to saying let Russia take the Ukraine and kill them. You don't think he has an agenda and further ambitions? Get real. This is not some campus style discussion...this is real.

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