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  1. Not before we go to WTO terms, let’s see how people get on when the reality hits. Where there is a will there is a way.
  2. I think I would aim to work out a solution that is equitable to all parties, where there is a will there is a way.
  3. Sovereignty and the ability to make our own way in the world. There is such change coming to the global economy/work place nimbleness may prove to be one of the “unforeseen positives of Brexit”.
  4. Leave on WTO terms as we should have done in 2016! Where there is a will there is a way. The fact the EU and political class who want us to remain don’t want this tells you it is the best route for us. They are creating a naritive similar to this group of very pro EU posters on this forum that the UK did not know what they voted for and that we need to come back to the safety of the EU.
  5. Only proved wrong because we have a very poor leader who wants to remain as does 2/3 of parliament and the route we have chosen to negotiate!
  6. Only two of my close friends and family voted leave. Virtually all I have spoken to (without getting into any debate like here) are quite happy to leave on WTO terms and get on with it. There are a lot of people who voted remain that have switch to leave.
  7. This is a source I am sure you will approve of as it is pro EU. https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/19/how-would-uk-eu-trade-be-affected-by-a-no-deal-brexit “The EU is the UK’s largest trading partner, although its importance has been slightly declining. Official UK figures show that 44% of all UK exports went to the EU in 2017, while 53% of all UK imports came from the EU. As a bloc, EU countries sell more to the UK than vice-versa.” “The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) estimates that with no deal, 90% of the UK’s goods exports to the EU by value would face tariffs. The average tariff on UK exports to the bloc would be 4.3 percent, it calculates, while the average on imports from the EU into the UK would be around 5.7 percent. Tariffs in some sectors – for example in agriculture and food, the car industry and textiles – would be “significantly higher”.” “Pro-Brexit economists also quote estimates suggesting that import tariffs from EU countries could generate significant revenue for the UK. But a report by the think-tank UK in a Changing Europesays revenue gains from import tariffs would come at a cost of higher consumer prices.” So, this article is anti brexit as is 90% of the coverage of brexit, yet it gives some clues how things may not be as bad as you doomungers think. As a sovereign state we could adjust our VAT levels to mitigate the increased costs. So our EU subs won’t be being paid, we will take more tax on WTO terms and we do this on a very substantial trade surplus, it gives a lot of room to adjust things to smooth the process.
  8. I am not sure too much should be read into the young being pro Europe based on the referendum result. There are lots of reason for the young to vote remain in the same way historically the young vote for labour and as people mature in their views/life position they vote conservative.
  9. The last two years a have been a disasters, they did not happen because they were essential a waste of time and as stated before moving to WTO terms any time in the last nearly 3 years, would have gained that time back to actually progress the relationship with the EU. We still have years and years of negotiation if the proposed withdrawal treaty was passed on how we leave. Better to do it with a clean sheet and progress our relationships.
  10. I don’t know what you are arguing here, of course there will be more friction than being in the single market ( the reason we originally joined the EU before it morphed into the political monster it is now), but where there is a will there is a way, there are 90 billion reason for it to be a smooth as possible from the EU perspective...
  11. We are completely aligned with Europe already! It is not like we are coming to them with a clean sheet.
  12. ?.... Of course we will, and that may give them an incentive to play nice.
  13. Now that is insane, I clearly remember voting in 2016 and the referendum was leave or remain, I can’t think of much clearer terms. It was not vague. Next you are going to tell me people were influenced by lies in the campaign..... Yes, if the EU could politically let’s us leave on good terms, that would be a good route to leave, but they can’t so we will have to move to WTO and rebuild from there. Maybe over the years we will move ever closer to the EU and rejoin, I would not be against it if it made sense for our country. I only want what is best for our country now we are on the leave path.
  14. Can the fudged middle be the best place for us? I have stated this before, if offered the EU German written leave treaty, or staying in I would still vote to stay in! If if we want to protect national democracy and leave I would vote for no deal over the treaty.
  15. You make very general and interesting points above but don’t show me any workings. No one can predict the outcome of brexit mathermatically, however key facts help give us a reason to be hopeful they will want to trade with us a freely as possible. One of the most important ones being massive trade deficit! As stated earlier I voted remain but I just can’t get the remainers consistently thinking this is a UK problem. I would be a lot more worried a if I was a German car maker and French farmer/ dairy producer than any producer in the UK. The behaviour of the EU to me looks very similar to an abusive partner atm. Convinced the other partner they have no self worth, but can’t leave us a alone and portrays intermittent kindness in this gift of an extension. As stated earlier the main object of the EU is make others feel leaving he EU is not a good option. So if no deal was going to be so bad for the UK then why not let’s us fall of the fabled BBC “cliff edge”....
  16. I undestand you now, I much prefer my positive outlook. I voted remain so really just looking for the best way forward for our great country. Such a shame the remain parliament are heading for the worst possible outcome between remain and leaving the EU, which were the choices 3 years ago....
  17. I see where you are going wrong, you think it is just our problem. HPC has gone massively downhill if this thread is anything to go by.
  18. Because they eventually negotiate more permanent deals with key partners........ WTO is not the final destination! Had we moved to it I 2016 it would have cut this mess out.
  19. Ok, so we buy £90 billion more from the EU, where there is a will, there is a way!
  20. Obviously from the 24th June 2016 the EU would never pragmatically negotiate a deal for the UK that would upset remaining states, it has to penalise as Macron intends. He seemed quite chirpy this morning despite the UK getting an extension his principles objected to. Give me the keys areas we would be disadvantaged? Financially we would be about £12b better off with the EU on WTO terms, ignoring our savings from net contribution to the union. But presumably the one key reason we are seeking to leave is to open up new markets where greater benefits will come.
  21. Wow, that would be pretty terrifying.... Macron is keen to teach the UK populist brexit voters a lesson. If he or any of the EU 27 decided to veto the extension, with WTO facing us on Saturday, that would be a very good way of teaching those silly brexit voters a lesson..... I love how people think the UK with the 5th largest economy is in the World has nothing to negotiate with. Let me guess you are in May’s inner circle....
  22. I was brought up with the phrase “where there is a will, there is a way”
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