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  1. "Universal credit brilliantly deals with the graphs – are you better off or not. But it fails dismally to deal with real people in that a growing number of people do not think just being better off by a few quid is worth working for and want a multiple of their benefit levels

    How can this be? I thought there were two main points to UC...

    Firsty to make work pay - seems to be failing on this point.

    Secondly to bring together all the various benefits to make fraud harder, and caps easier to implement - seems to be failing on this point.

  2. They're lower than they would have been if they paid more tax which is the point I was making. So yes it's good for me thanks.

    But if they are higher than their competitors it surely proves that tax is irrelevant?

    To wit, Costa Coffee can pay UK corporation tax and still deliver the same product for less than Starbucks, so either the more tax you pay the cheaper your product becomes (unlikely) or there is no direct relationship between tax and product retail prices for many products and services in the UK.

  3. Well eventually government spending will need to be reduced at some point presumably.

    You presume too much. We're going to have more banks that need bailing out* soon.

    * = indirectly via a government property slush fund.

    It's possible the private sector could do their own kind of strike themselves by hiding money from the taxman. I expect there's a fair amount of that going on at the moment already.

    Maybe Amazon, Starbucks and Microsoft could withold their Corporation Tax payments. Just a thought. ;)

  4. I can't imagine most people in the private sector wanting more taxes to pay for keeping the bloated public sector.

    Y'know, I don't think that is one of the options.

    The options are:

    Pay the same or more taxes for a smaller public sector.

    Pay the same or more taxes for the same public sector.

    Only the Labour party have been talking about tax cuts recently. That just shows you what a pickle we're in! :D

  5. I have said it before, if ever I get made redundant, I'm going to be a self employed Big Issue seller till I find another job.

    There is some evidence that "back to work" advisors have been putting pressure on JSA claimants to go this route:


    Helps to massage the very important "claimant count" for JSA. <whispers> Nobody really notices a big jump in self employed people at the same time as "Jobseekers" fall </whispers> ;)

    But I'm terribly sorry old bean, Universal Credit is going to stop that wheeze (or at least limit it to short time period) :P

  6. Can we have a strike against the bubble bursting?

    We could, but you'd need to be in a union otherwise you actions would make you liable for dismissal.

    Would a mass strike against the govt even be legal? I presume they would have to ballot members on the action first.

    The article says there are "legal hurdles" to overcome. I think - a bit like the war with Iraq - that just means the right people have to have lunch and sufficient legal fees are paid to make everything ok. ;)

  7. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britains-biggest-unions-put-weight-behind-plan-for-general-strike-8559027.html

    Plans for the first general strike in modern British history have been backed by the country’s two biggest unions.

    The proposed 24-hour walkout would be the first time since 1926 that private and public-sector workers have co-ordinated a nationwide mass action. The tactic, which would represent a significant escalation to the unions’ protests against the Coalition’s austerity measures, will be discussed at the meeting of the Trades Union Congress’s general council this month.

    The proposals were initially drawn up by Unite, with 1.4 million members, which argues that “such action is desirable” as it would put the Government on the defensive and boost the status of trade unions. And Unison, the biggest public-sector trade union with 1.3 million members, announced it also backed the principle of a general strike, although it stressed the move should be the culmination of a campaign against austerity measures.

    It's all starting to feel a bit 1930s.

    As I said earlier this week, the government will be praying for a crap summer, otherwise there could be public disorder coming soon to a major city near you...

  8. They got compensation it seems, even for the hours when they'd chosen to go home, instead of work for nothing/very little. I disagree with the the General Secretary who said it proves we need a national minimum wage.

    Only because Burger King didn't keep records of who stuck around and who didn't and since they were already firefighting, threw a bone to the press to try and salvage a teeny tiny bit of good feeling!

  9. But even once she's sold the London house and settled up all the outstanding monies she owes, she should still have enough for a very comfortable, if slightly more modest existence. I can't see what she's complaining about.

    It usually is the more comfortable people who whinge the loudest. Take NIMBYism as an example.

  10. But not enough, and continuing to support defunct industries isn't the answer.

    It's the only answer until you have something better than a few half-baked "schemes" to try and encourage entrepreneurs, it's not much to put up against our industrial wastelands.

    If someone like Google was a UK company, or maybe even had been at some point, you might have the semblance of an argument, but what they did was allow (and in some cases, actively encourage) industries that were massive UK employers to die. And now people are getting all upset there are no jobs that will cover the bills for these people and their successors.

    British Leyland and their ilk - yeah, they deserved to go the way of the do do, and cars really aren't one of life's essentials. If you stopped importing cars to the UK tomorrow, we could survive for a while and figure out how to make our own cars.

    But energy IS one of the essentials.

    Here's a little recap for you.

    In 2012,

    Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%).

    The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations.

    Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.)

    So we imported over two thirds of the raw material (that is deposited in huge amounts all over the country) we rely on for the majority of our energy production.


    I hope David Ricardo is going to be keeping the generator going when my lights and central heating die in winter 2015.

  11. Aren't food stamps in the USA the equivalent of benefits here? I would be suprised if it is significantly less than 1 in 4 kids & 1 in 8 adults on benefits.

    They do have cash benefits in the USA as well, but not to the same level as we do.

  12. Any money you spend on supporting defunct industries is money not spent on supporting growth industries, where the younger people (not only youth) will be getting their future jobs.

    Exactly what money did the government spend on "supporting growth industries"? Can we now rely on the jobs and export income from these new industries to pay for the imported coal/steel/etc and cover the benefits for those people who lost their jobs (or never got one) as a consequence? Doesn't seem so, does it.

    Or are you talking about loosening financial regulations to help "our friends in the City"? :o

  13. The personal allowance can't be a benefit as everyone gets it (at least i think that everyone gets it?).

    It's progressively tapered away when you earn above £100,000.


    You've been on benefits - people like me (when I was in my late 20s and earning a lot) have been subsidizing you for years!

  14. How can people who get tax credits not think they are on benefits? :blink:

    The clue I think, is in the name. The system is administered by HMRC.

    Say you are earning £30,000 a year, and you pay HMRC £5,000 a year in tax, you register for tax credits and then you pay HMRC £3,500 in tax.

    You're still paying tax, just less.

    If you use your personal allowance are you on benefits too?

  15. Oh dear, oh dear.


    But in its report the committee said the Department for Work and Pensions "must provide swift assurance that the transition to Universal Credit will not leave the benefit system vulnerable to fraud".

    Its chairman, Labour MP Clive Betts, said: "We heard evidence that ICT systems for fraud detection within Universal Credit were still at an early stage in their development. This is extremely concerning given the advanced state of implementation.

    Can't see IDS remaining in post beyond 2013 TBH. :rolleyes:

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