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  1. To at least give the impression that the UK government are prepared to take the No Deal Option, recognising that in that instance we have to break the WA in order to retain any semblance of sovereignty in Northern Ireland. I think we are just seeing the hardball of negotiation tactics. EU is pointing out that UK sovereignty is already compromised in the event of No Deal through the WA. UK is essentially pointing out that the EU Single Market is already compromised in the event of No Deal through the WA. So please everyone, lets do a deal!
  2. I have not seen that, but I am sure they will in any case if they have not already. As I said above, I do not think it matters. The point is that the opportunity to do so is in the legislation signed (NI Protocol), hence the cornered animal comment.
  3. As far as I am aware, no one in the EU has yet denied the veracity of the alleged comments. But you are right. I definitely know one side is not trustworthy.
  4. It may indeed be a deliberately leaked lie, or it may actually be the case that the EU side of the Joint committee were strong arming in the discussions, and backed it up with a bit of loose talk around the cappucino machine, making it clear how far they could legally go in designating GB goods as "at risk of export to the Single Market". It does not matter in my view. The key point is that Boris's government are behaving like a dangerously scared, cornered chimpanzee escaped from the zoo... and perhaps that is what they are... Even then, there is a question of how the EU should proceed from here. Do they use the shot gun and hope to kill off the animal without further damage, or do they put a banana in its cage and hope they can box it up again? Edit: any reference to similarity between Boris and a chimpanzee is purely metaphorical.
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  6. I guess they do not feel the need to comment when it is patently going so well for them? My concern for the situation grows daily. I remember having a discussion (not online) last time around when Boris’s Government broke the law (The lies about reason for proroguing parliament) and everyone was assuming this was the end for him. Not so. I suspect the same will happen this time, with many supporting his β€œBritish spunk” for standing up to the EU bully.
  7. Yes. This is my concern too. I see more and more vitriol against all sides, both in the real world, in the media, and on fora like this. Whatever the likes of dugsbody say, anti-EU, and (anti-remainer) feeling is growing in the general population, and I am worried by it. The narrative of our government will be compelling to the average Joe. - being refused sovereignty over our British fishing grounds -being unable to support our British Industry if we want and need to - having to take on workplace or product rules created in the future by the EU, enforced on us by the European Court of Justice These simplified stories will be repeated as the cause of no deal. These simplified stories will be believed across the U.K. unless some clear alternative is provided by the EU.
  8. There are as many people of your generation who did not vote for Thatcher, opposed the selling off of public utilities, are disgusted by the lack of council house provision and have generally been good eggs throughout their lives. it seems a shame to lump you all together.
  9. Sounds a little β€œI’m alright Jack” to me, but don’t worry, there will be a U.K. for you to return to if your nationalism gets too strong, or you fall out of love with the beer and ice cream!
  10. If that isn't the intention British negotiators are particularly useless Now who are the conspiracy theorists? i like to think that our negotiators are trying to get the best deal for Britain, that our Home Office is trying to be as caring as it can be to genuine asylum seekers and migrants whilst keeping us as safe as it can, and yes, that even de Pfeffel himself is doing what he thinks is right for the U.K. I do think he is doing a bloody awful job of it, mind.
  11. I am very concerned that you may be right NIP, but remember, it takes two sides to make a deal; it is not just our UkGov buffoons that are making this outcome less likely (in my view).
  12. I am pro-EU and Pro-UK. Given that the UK electorate have decided to leave the EU, I want a future of close cooperation and friendship between these two now separate entities.
  13. It has become a blame game even before we have an end point. There will be those who dominantly blame the EU for our break up. There will be those who dominantly blame successive UK governments. I blame both. There will be those who blame only the UK for the current impasse. There will be those that blame only the EU. I blame both. There will be those who will blame just one party for any future no deal, despite both parties showing current intransigence and brinkmanship. The key thing for me is that a sustainable win-win deal is still possible, and most of the economic and political fall out for both the Uk and EU can still be avoided if sense prevails. I just hope it does, but my confidence is waning the more I see the extreme and entrenched views and one sided narratives on sites like this.
  14. The point is, all these are win-wins over a no deal scenario for both the EU and the UK, even the LPF and fish compromises. I think we all now just want these compromIses made, but made in a way that can be sold as a successful departure, and the basis of a stable Future relationship, on both sides of the channel.
  15. πŸ˜‚. Then, if you have a reasonably local alternative That has cheaper Pasta, I suggest you stop shopping at Tesco. Or eat more rice?
  16. I understand why you think The EU are insisting on ECJ control. I understand why both EU and UK will require agreed common standards and state subsidy controls owing to the closeness and interconnectedness of our economies. The question i have for you is do you understand why many in the UK will find it unpalatable for the ECJ to be the sole arbiter in these areas?
  17. It may be your mechanism. It is not one that I would support. And I am not alone. So perhaps you need to rethink your assumptions? Decided In part, yes. Controlled by, no. Do you really believe in an all-powerful EU? And even if you do, do you really believe it should abuse such power by forcing unequal trade solutions on to a friendly neighbour? I really cannot see such an approach as to the EU’s long-term advantage.
  18. I am sure I am not smart enough for you dugs. I am also sure I voted remain. I agree completely that some deal on standards and subsidies is required for us to continue trading effectively with the EU. The difference appears to be that you think it is inevitable that our future relationship is controlled by the European Court of Justice, whereas I think it is essential that it is not.
  19. Perhaps because they are overconfident in their understanding of the specificity of their test? Regardless, I can confirm that at least some of these new positive tests are real... and dominantly in young people as the press are reporting. My take - social distancing is working, and those taking it most seriously (old people and those with specific health problems) are least likely to catch the virus. Those snogging in the pub though....
  20. I do. And so do millions of observers / voters elsewhere in Europe and the UK. If the EU insist on LPF controlled by ECJ then Boris will keep his support from the UK electorate (on the Brexit issue at least) and we are heading for an acrimonious no deal scenario for which the EU will get the lion's share of vitriol and blame in the UK. They may also get political / social issues elsewhere in Europe after a period of decline in certain sectors. However, if the EU accept some kind of joint governance over future divergence, and some kind of headline "sovereignty" for the UK over future fishing rights, then Boris has to deal or will be roasted next time around if he does not. Obviously only my ill-educated views.
  21. We may never know details of this case. However, until we do, all we can say is that it is incredibly sad. Anything more is jumping to conclusions in my view.
  22. I agree Bob8. There is a prevalence of view in many people I talk to that a Brexit objective is to "get rid of the control/influence of the EU over British people". As this is impossible in the global, trade-dominated world in which we live, this aspect of Brexit at least will never happen.
  23. Yes, sadly it did. I don't like lies either, especially those that attempt to hide UK government and EU governance mistakes under blanket comments about demonising other nations and nationalism.
  24. And yet my offspring, family and I will all have to contribute to paying it back (unless we emigrate). I do not believe we are in a depression. Also the vast majority of this debt was accrued during the β€œ good times”.
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