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  1. Blaming those hoping to save us from oblivion for the actions of the ERG and May removing the middle ground is very bizzare and revisionist. Look NiP. I am very impressed by the Intellectual merit, Idealism, honesty, consistency and logic of arguments put forward by yourself, dugs and others. However, even you should be starting to realise that the idealistic and logical is not working for us here... Yes, the opportunity was there for remainders and soft brexiteers in the May parliament to get together to avoid this shit shower. In fact I think the opportunity was still there until the last election. In my constituency there were 5 Remain or second ref supporting candidates standing against just one Brexit Candidate. How the hell did supposedly clever people let This happen? I will continue to apportion a degree of responsibility for our current predicament to UK Remain politicians For the records, the Brexit candidate won.
  2. They are more engaged and better informed. It is not a case of being thick or ignorant. The modern world has left fewer Swiss people on the scrap heap. +1 I agree, more doing badly out of modern life and so more willing to take a step into the unknown because the current policies were not working for them. No one else to blame for this but the wilful disregard for a portion of U.K. society by successive U.K. governments.
  3. +1 again. Both “sides” of the issue in the House have failed to take opportunities for compromise, and there may now only be one more opportunity before no deal. However, and I know this will be controversial, I firmly believe With hindsight that the EU made that middle ground untenable by not recognising the sovereignty (third country status if you prefer an EU viewpoint) of the U.K. in all and any post-leave outcome.
  4. +1. The pragmatists have been screwed and, at least at present, the ideologues have control.
  5. OK. I accept that I misunderstood your post dugs. I also accept that at the time of the referendum (but probably less so now), one of the most obvious impositions on the U.K. from Brussels that was exacerbating Brexiter Sentiment was the migration of young people from Eastern Europe to the U.K. Lack of U.K. government control on Immigration was a “big thing” for a lot of reasons, but not least because it was the main feature of the renegotiation that Cameron had tried and failed to get from EU leaders over the preceding year. This failure was seen by many (Including me) as a clear example of the U.K. not being in control of its laws. It was not enough to stop me from voting Remain, even though I could see the problems it was causing. Now, however, I would say the top examples of U.K. laws being imposed from EU would include the issues of movement of goods in our internal market (and the removal of certification as an approved EU third country for agricultural products), and the likely inability for U.K. govt to intervene to assist struggling essential industries in Northern Ireland (high profile now given the uncertainties associated with COVID-induced lockdowns and limitations). Again, these are high profile now because they are being imposed from Brussels now.
  6. The way you have written this, your aunt primarily supported Brexit because she wanted U.K. laws to be Made in the U.K. One of these laws is to do with freedom of movement and access to U.K. benefits for EU migrants, clearly important to her, but not as important as the principle of U.K. sovereignty. Is this the image you wanted to portray, or have I misunderstood?
  7. Don’t worry, when this is all in the past and we have our no tariff FTA, the Bruges group will no doubt enjoy telling us “we told you so”. 😉
  8. I think we were all expecting this weren’t we ? So, schools and colleges have been back in England for 2-3 weeks, pretty much all the university students are now on campus, and all the old “bubbles” of family and friends close contacts over the Summer have now been replaced or are currently being replaced by new peer groups. I have no data to prove anything, but I am pretty confident that this is what has caused R to rise up above 1 again and result in the significant rise in cases, hospital admissions, and (just in the last day or two) deaths. however, these reorganisations of our society have now largely been completed. Does that mean that R will now return to 1 as we keep to our new bubbles? Let’s wait and see, but my hope is that rate of growth of cases will level off in the next week or so, and number of cases level during October. I am expecting a significant rise in deaths (to high 10s or low hundreds per day) before this levelling off passes through the infection-symptoms-deterioration-hospitalisation-death system.
  9. Agree with this, sadly. My take on Immigration is that it generally makes a country / city more vibrant, exciting, fun, prosperous... for most. However, it comes at the price of increased competition for resources: housing, jobs, doctors appointments, school class sizes, traffic on roads to name but a few. If you see most of the former, you support it. If you see more of the latter, you are against it. There are complications (such as the love of money and power, racism, fear of the other...).
  10. Not a primary source but says it has happened at //www.emedicinehealth.com/flu_and_covid-19_at_the_same_time/article_em.htm "It is technically possible to have both influenza (the flu) and COVID-19 at the same time, because they are different viruses, however, it is extremely uncommon. There have only been a small number of known cases of patients having both illnesses at the same time"
  11. True, just that some organisms can get more than one virus at the same time. I am sure there are papers showing that we have many (perhaps thousands or millions) of different viruses in our bodies at any one time, just like the different bacteria that are there. However, I have not seen anything about significant infections of both CoVid and flu at the same time - will look!
  12. There's many a slip twixt cup and lip. Even if both sides are really keen for a deal to take place, in my view this brinkmanship makes any form of less and less likely as the deadline approaches.
  13. Not true I am afraid. In fact, there are some papers out now suggesting that the SARS-CoVid2 virus was actually formed by an organism (probably a bat) having two viruses at the same time and swapping RNA fragments between them.
  14. No! You are right Timm. At very low rates of infection you really need to focus on False Positives if you are looking at the numbers. However, a false positive does not have a significant effect on the virus spread (just one more person isolating unnecessarily). Whilst a false negative can be disastrous (an old person getting entrance into a care home for example, potentially spreading the disease to all the inmates, or a kid going back to school and infecting many in his class/year bubble).
  15. The masks may be having an effect. However, being cooped up for 23 hours a day with CoVid-carrying housemates / family members during lockdown may well have increased viral load at time of infection for many during lockdown (hence higher hospitalisation rates?).
  16. Thanks Bob8. I may not agree with all the sentiment, but the article fits my position and views very well, So obviously I enjoyed reading it!
  17. What makes you think a hard Brexit will force the EU to change, and what specifically will they need to change? From starry eyed just married to bitter divorcee perhaps? I have no idea where this will end up Isles. I do not necessarily think any EU internal structures will be changed, but their geopolitical position will certainly be different if there is a “rogue state” on its western border as well as to the east.
  18. Sorry erat. Was for previous poster. I actually agree with what u say and this is the conundrum. A significant proportion of the U.K. Population believe we are (or at least should be) equal to the EU in all the above. it could be very painful discovering that we may not be.
  19. Then sadly, if you think there will be no movement fro m the EU side at all, no deal is all I can see, and all the chaos that will ensue. Then you, NiP, Boris et al can start apportioning blame if you think that is useful.
  20. I deliberately wrote the above from my understanding of what the two sides are thinking, so I am not surprised you agreed with/liked one side and not the other! However, If you still do not recognise the EU role in this line of travel then my previous post failed. Yes, the EU will be changed by Brexit. Regardless of whether we have a deal or not. The question is how much. The harder the Brexit, the more the EU will have to change (in my view). It is not anyone’s fault. Yet.
  21. Yes. Seriously. This has been and continues to be a negotiation. you do not require things in a negotiation, you hope to achieve them through mutual agreement. Let’s look at the two sides. The U.K. negotiators have at every stage met a brick wall of inflexibility which has led inexorably to our current position of a harder and harder Brexit. All approaches have led to a barrier from the EU which is either incompatible with the perceived views of the electorate (e.g. freedom of movement, direct EXJ oversight) or integrity/sovereignty of U.K. so we move further and further down the path to hard Brexit / no deal. . The EU showed at the start what relationships it has with others and essentially asked the U.K. to pick one. The EU was completely open from the start about the obligations and strings that would come with each level of closeness of relationship, and also made it clear from the start that there would be no special case for the U.K. no cherry picking. However, each time the U.K. picked a relationship type, it tried to make the relationship compatible with the Brexit vote and retain its sovereignty by changing some of the key constraints. This to the EU was, and is, unacceptable. You could perhaps see it from the EU side in a different way. Perhaps as a fisherman (the EU) trying to catch a slippery fish (the U.K.) In their hands/nets. So. The fundamentals of both sides have not changed and the initial positions of both sides essentially remain. Compromise is still an option but will require movement from BOTH sides if it is to happen. I am still hopeful it will. Either in deal or no deal, the level of integration of U.K. and EU markets and on the island of Ireland make this a special case.
  22. Sadly, yes, some may use this to further polarise the country. Maybe you should complain about those who would do this and those screwing up the negotiations and the country's reputation, not trying to blame the EU? Can you not see the problem in your own position here NiP? Previously approved, accepted and checked standards have now been disapproved by EU negotiators in an attempt to put pressure on U.K. negotiators. This has screwed up the negotiations. I am not going to claim the U.K. response is anything but calamitous, but it is clear that the fudged WA agreed by both U.K. and EU is fundamentally incompatible with the type of hard Brexit that the EU has been encouraging by their posturing on the Single Market and Freedom of Movement. NI still remains the biggest hurdle to an agreement, and making moves to a harder Brexit (Seemingly encourAged by both sides) just makes this worse.
  23. Agree with all this 100% dugs. I just don’t agree With the “dumb Brexiter” labels that seem to come unerringly at the start and end of your posts. There will, sadly, have been some clever people looking at a way out of the WA based on compromised U.K. sovereignty. They may or may not think they can win a court battle, but they do know that it will likely last long enough to make the EU Negotiators think very hard before going down this route. To me, it is astonishing that the U.K. signed an agreement which only keeps U.K. integrity in the event that the EU says so. If we were listed at approved for third party food standards in April after all checks completed but have not been confirmed then I think it is clear that this is indeed being used as a negotiating tactic by the EU. So the lunatics have Either just seen this, or had it rubbed in their noses, and so pressed the escalation button and made it clear that they will break the WA if they are not confirmed approved for Food products and also happy with the level of oversight required by the Joint Committee. This way lies disaster. so I really do hope that a close deal can still be agreed despite the clearly worsening relations.
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