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4 minutes ago, Orb said:
I'm noticing some of my friends (I do have friends!) who I've known for 25 years, and who have never spoken about social or political issues, are suddenly expressing disdain and anger at the immigration situation.
Ditto.
I am hearing many say what is it going to be like for my Grandchildren?
5 minutes ago, Orb said:It's as if pro-immigration people are less concerned about the argument and the issue, and more concerned about winning the argument, no matter how absurd their position seems. An example of such is a bill-board by the side of the M25 which simply states "More immigration please". How on earth can that be rational given the seriousness of the situation?
It is not rational but people are still calling for more there are people on this Forum who don't see a problem or even a connection with lack of housing and services are made worse with more and more people. They will tell us the crops are rotting in the fields and we need more immigrants to work in the NHS.
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5 minutes ago, Orb said:
Another way it could be phrased is "should there be a generational pause on all immigration?" Y/N. This option would allow us at least to deal with the huge current problem and catch up regarding infrastructure, housing, and services.
This is the scary part. We do need a pause on immigration in order to catch up regarding infrastructure, housing and services. However I don't see it happening. I see more of the same carrying on , where will it all end up? How many more people are going to come in? Will we see tent city's on our streets like the USA?
The current rate of immigration is unsustainable yet there are many people quite happy for it to carry on.
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2 minutes ago, Stewy said:
There are loads of perfectly affordable houses around.
How wonderful.
Could you point me in the direction of houses like those that are affordable in London and the south east ? We are struggling to get Doctors to work in our hospitals due to them not being able to find places at those prices.
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7 minutes ago, regprentice said:
Recent polling shows 52% of respondents approve of skilled migration, but also 52% think migration is too high. Thats the percentage i described as 'brexit like", the brexit vote being split 52/48. its not a thumping majority to base your hopes on in a referendum
I would say the features of immigration people dont like are populations of young men of working age seeking asylum when in reality they are economic migrants.
you have to weigh up the fact that while the south of england attracts and retains large amounts of immigrants, a referendum gives an equal vote to the whole nation. Some parts, in fact entire countries like Scotland and Wales have seen negligible immigration and have shortages of things like doctors, dentists and so on that politicians promise would be solved if more people would immigrate to Scotland....
Well we have polls and opinions ect but from what I am hearing now (just my antidotes) where I live more and more people who would not normally notice or care are now starting to ask where does it all end? How many more people do we allow in skilled or unskilled? Everyone who comes here needs, wants and demands services so it is a never ending increasing circle.
I can only go on what I am seeing and hearing. From reading posts on various websites the places you state like Scotland and Wales there are people in those places stating that they feel they are having quite a high amount of immigration they have not been left unaffected. It is not just the major English Towns and City's that have seen a steep rise.
16 minutes ago, regprentice said:As above, plus Soft fruit picking jobs weren't empty until brexit and they were done by immigrants until that point.
Have you proof of that?
17 minutes ago, regprentice said:The argument today is that, from now on, we promise we will only let in people for whom there are jobs
If we stopped paying people a full time wage via tax credits to work part time, many empty jobs would be filled without the need to bring in more and more people. I wonder how many recent settled immigrants are now only working part time? No one gives figures or information on this.
Those people being let in now will also need housing and other services. As I have already said it is a never ending ever increasing circle.
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8 minutes ago, Social Justice League said:
True, I was just venting. Nothing seems to solve the UK housing supply like war though.
The so called 'housing crisis' is easy to fix, but practically no one wants it fixed, so we get endless discussions on talk radio and endless programmes about it on TV, telling us what we all f4cking know already.
The amazing answer is........build enough shelter to meet our needs.
An astonishing revelation, I know.
Understand your venting the whole thing is very frustrating.
Yes if they wanted to fix it they could but the will is not there. I have read a few books about our history and for most of the time the roof over the head being difficult to obtain and keep has always been the way. There was a short better time after the second world war when they did build both social and private housing but that has now all been f4ed up and we are back to the struggle again.
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2 minutes ago, Social Justice League said:
A country full of greedy f4cks who actually need wiped out imo. We are overdue a world war so that we can 'build back better'.......
If the people you want wiped out were wiped out in a war how quickly do you think they would be replaced by others immigrating here afterwards? Would the new people be less greedy?
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37 minutes ago, regprentice said:
The things people dislike about immigration are largely due to asylum rules, not immigration rules.
How do you know that?
Where I live on the East London Essex Borders there are now so many people living in this small area that it is now effecting daily life. The roads cannot cope, the trains cannot cope, the schools cannot cope, the hospitals cannot cope. Yet some people are demanding more immigration while others are saying enough is enough. If things are not working after increasing the population from 60 to 70 million why will they work if we increase the population even more?
44 minutes ago, regprentice said:Right now there are still enough boomers are saying "someone needs to wipe our arses in care homes , and if native british young people think they're too good to be arae wipers, then increased house prices through immigration is the price they pay"
There were plenty of British people wiping arses of in the old peoples home where my Dad was. This sound bite is another one along with the two default sound bites rolled out when immigration comes up. The two default sound bites are :-
1. We need immigrants to do the jobs the Brits won't do.
2. We need immigrants to pick the crops as they are rotting in the fields.
Well we have had over 10 million extra people arrive and these jobs are still empty so it looks like the immigrants along with the Brits don't want to do these jobs.
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1 hour ago, andrewwk said:
easy to write down all the obvious problems on a poster and say "we will solve them". not so easy to execute.
We all know it is not easy but Labour and the Torys have both had time in power creating many of these problems it is obvious from both of them that they will carry on making them worse , so instead of knocking a party with a different approach lets give them a chance.
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35 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:
Oh.. and The Brexit party as they label themselves. So, how exactly is brexit working out for the UK ?
Not bad compared to many countries in the EU.
35 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:immigration up.
Not the fault of Brexit it is the fault of those running the country. I heard Reegs Mogg complaining immigration was to high recently the way he spoke you would not have thought he was not in the party that is currently in government.
37 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:Growth slowed on average vs all neighbours on the same continent .
Wrong.
38 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:The land of unicorns , milk and honey, not quite yet in sight . Still trying to find a single benefit . Even the government a wonder he ministerial post for brexit opportunities !
But hey ho, can still claim blue passports !This is not a Brexit thread there are plenty of those on this Forum go and take your moan to on of them. The thread is about Reform making inroads at the next election.
39 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:the #1 ask I have at the next election is that we have a few grown ups in control .
Vote Reform then instead of talking about them like a child.
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37 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:
Lots of promises, popularism , but no real meat.
But no real meat from Trump.
Don't know that much about Trump tbh but from what I did see when they were talking about jobs people said he did bring jobs as he promised.
39 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:
i.e What specifically have they identified and what are the specific solutions availableOver administration. Over management. Waste. Poor procurement procedures. It can all be sorted if the will to do it is there.
40 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:Every time I hear them talk about what they will do , just no details .
They gave details at the meeting I attended.
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21 minutes ago, zugzwang said:
Seriously, yes! Immigration is going to be the key issue and the Starmerites are nowhere to be seen.
When does this shit get real for them?
I speak with so many people who have all been either Tory or Labour voters all their lives. They all say the same thing which is
" I cannot vote either Tory or Labour"
Labour thinking they have a Landslide in the bag is a bit presumptuous.
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5 minutes ago, Johnno1167 said:
the one thing I do agree with them is reform of the upper house .
Do you not agree on them wanting to cut the waste in the NHS?
I went to a meeting held by Reform local to me. Cannot remember the figures exactly but they did mention how many people working in the NHS were non clinical roles compared to clinical roles and gave out the numbers for this when the NHS first started out in 1948. Surely that is something worth looking at instead of just writing them off as out of the Trump playbook.
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1 hour ago, Ballyk said:
I suspect the more the Tory vote is split, the more crushing the Starmer viRctory will be. Which I'm not sure is what Reform voters actually want! Or think they want.
Reform could also split the Labour vote I know many ex Labour voters who voted Tory I am one myself who would vote Reform over Labour.
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3 hours ago, andrewwk said:
lol wut, another protest party for low IQs, meaningless soundbite "policies" and a fatcat landlord leader.
Or for people who understand that you cannot keep allowing in 1.1 more people each and every year without there being problems.
Even pro immigration people when asked have admitted that the figures are too high but never answer when asked how many they think should come in , if anything is low IQ it has to be that.
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3 hours ago, Nick Cash said:
You told us this 10 hours ago. Had you forgotten? Numpty.
He suffers from Boomerisiam his parents spent all their money instead of setting him up for life he cannot get over it and blames the whole generation that they come from.
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43 minutes ago, jiltedjen said:
Don’t forget boomers got free university education, where millennials are forced to pay for theirs via a graduate tax also.
Don't forget very few boomers went to UNI we did not get conned into doing a media studies degree like the millennials did. Don't blame us for your actions.
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2 hours ago, Notting Hell said:
Now, here's my basic analysis. Boomers were buying houses when, yes you've guessed it, VAT was at the lowest rate of 15% (1979--1991).
Along come the millennials, and now they are paying 20% VAT on everything.
That's a 5% additional stealth tax on virtually ALL spending for millennials. Obviously not all spending attracts VAT nor at the 20% rate.
In 1979 the oldest Boomer would have been 34 and the youngest 14 by 1991 the ages would have been 46 and 26. The early boomers a tiny amount might have been mortgage free by 1991 but the rest would still be paying for their house if they had purchased by then very few bought them cash.
Your post reads as if all Boomers had bought and enjoyed vat at 15% the whole time they were paying their mortgages. When in fact Boomers like everyone else were liable to Vat at the same rates as everyone else at any given time in history. Boomers , Gen X, Millennials are all the same when it comes to the additional stealth tax on spending.
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1 hour ago, winkie said:
We make it easy for those that want to come to work and start a new life here, people get lost here and live and work under the radar, been doing it for years, word gets around, wait long enough eventually become legal, .....if it wasn't so easy they wouldn't come.....so why do you think people move here rather than say France or any other European country?
You have contradicted yourself you write the above after writing the below.
2 hours ago, winkie said:Make it easy to live and work here, get people wanting to live and work here......not difficult.
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29 minutes ago, jiltedjen said:
- how do we bail the UK out?
- well who has all the money/wealth?
- Well the old people have it all.- OK so use their money to bail UK out.
- wont they be annoyed?
- we will just spin the wealth grab as investing in *chuckles* “growth bonds”, instead of bailing out companies.The poetic justice will be the old having their stolen wealth, stolen from them, to invest in companies, which won’t grow, as the old have all the wealth, and have themselves killed the UK economy and salted the earth.
You really have not got a clue about what you post have you.
Anyone over the age of 18 can have and most do have money invested in pension schemes. The older people who are drawing their pensions that you want to see have their pension money stolen from them will not be effected as much as the young who need to see their pension investments grow over the decades ahead to give them a decent pension.
I have said it before and will say it to you again be careful what you wish for as it is you and your age group who are going to be hit the hardest in your quest to destroy pension wealth.
34 minutes ago, jiltedjen said:Pensions should be linked to wages, and UK pension funds should be linked to health of the UK. Perhaps if that was the case we would never of had idiotic moves like brexit, as those voting for it would actually suffer for their own actions.
Have also said this to you before. If the young had got off their back sides and voted in 2016 we would not have had Brexit but they were to bloody lazy so now as all they have left is to moan about the voting choices of those who bothered to vote. Blame the young not the older who voted Brexit.
36 minutes ago, jiltedjen said:Equally what’s also interesting is that it’s normally the middle and upper middle classes that define a direction of a country, all those 45-55 somethings who are now actually leading companies, and are in government, are not finding themselves loaded, are not finding themselves in control of the narrative, and finding they don’t have the life they want.
those with fingers on the levers of powers are already changing the situation to suit themselves, they booted out boomer lover boris, and they will find a way to get hold of that boomer wealth.
if I had to predict how they will do it, they will bin triple lock, and then find ways of directing that boomer equity to benefit themselves.
Such waffle.
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22 minutes ago, winkie said:
Make it easy to live and work here, get people wanting to live and work here......not difficult.
We have no problem with people wanting to work live and work here. We had 1.1 Million new arrivals last year.
The problem we do have is lack of housing, infrastructure and services that all these people need. Not difficult to understand but people such as your self ignore the issue.
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5 hours ago, Huggy said:
I have posted this before, but I saw a video where the refugees are welcome here gang were asked if they could house the new arrivals.
They said no, either because they were renting or were a home"owner" with a tiny house
Yes I have seen those vids. I have also seen similar when people were marching about how much rent they had to pay, when asked if they thought mass immigration had caused the housing crisis and rising rents they were stumped.
5 hours ago, Huggy said:There are two dots below. Any further instructions needed for this game?
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They refuse to join them.
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3 hours ago, winkie said:
Yes right.......also if housing conditions not fit for human habitation, beds in sheds, and overcrowding, if it was better monitored and bad landlords fined or confiscation. Capitalising from other humans needs, more staff would be required at a cost.....if councils did not pay lha to bad landlords with damp and unhealthy overcrowded property.......problem is rent collectors often allowed to get away with it, cramming more people into tighter spaces or sub let by tenants........councils unable to build social housing, councils unable to borrow to build social housing..... everything is now a business, nothing is done unless there is money to be made from it.....lots to be made from housing
Yet your happy to have more and more people arrive.
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6 minutes ago, Trampa501 said:
Maybe if we hadn't created failed states...?
When did we create the failed state of Albania?
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24 minutes ago, Orb said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I wouldn't be surprised if Reform really deliver a huge shock at the next election. I personally know loads of people intending to vote for them, both Tory and Labour voters alike.
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Reform Is the 2024 Dark Horse
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The old " the crops are rotting in the fields " Soundbite followed by the Brits won't pick the crops.
There have been various instances where people have applied to farms to get jobs and the farmers won't employ them they want overseas workers who often work below the minimum wage.
I am not interested in underpinning an industry that relies on illegal wages to function.
Would you be happy to work for below the legal minimum?