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Well we need to go back to doing these then. Plus I have heard they can identify the age of a person by looking at their teeth (adults in schools pretending to be children is not uncommon) If the Government won't then as I have said on another post watching this all unfold I have to draw the conclusion that this is all being done on purpose. If it is not why are they not following these simple steps to reduce the flow?

They should be assessed and granted Asylum. But at present we have a huge problem (not just here in the UK but in much of Europe) which is there are many Bogus Asylum Seekers. People like yourself who advocate for those fleeing war, persecution and torture should be the most vocal against the Bogus ones. As no one takes more from a genuine Asylum Seeker than a Bogus one. They clog up the system, take resources and wear out the good nature of the people in the host countries who have to pay for the Asylum Seekers (remember nothing is free) yet reading your posts you seem to want to put the Bogus under the same heading as the real Asylum Seekers. It is like a shop keeper treating shop lifers with the same respect as shoppers and saying well they both left the shop with goods in their bags. Now I have answered your question so please answer mine which is what should we do with the Bogus Asylum Seekers?

You do waffle.

What do you know about them? Are you denying people have refused to go to the barge and lawyers acting for them are involved? The last part of that post was sarcasm. Maybe get a sense of humour.

Again not the subject I was asking the poster what Blair did to reduced the numbers of people claiming and being granted Asylum.

Where did I speak about human rights being taken away? When you say us who do you mean?

Look at your own posts. To give you an example

You definitely have an agenda.

So what did Blair change that got on top of the situation that cannot be used now to keep on top of it?

What an excellent find. It is a great pity that here we are 20 years later and in the current mess. The politicians said the situation was unacceptable and they were going to change it. A pity they did not carry through with any changes.

To numerous to list but I am reading what you are writing and a lot of it is both waffle and full of your own view points.

But different countries have different rules of who they allow to apply. Germany and Sweden won't accept applications from Albania for instance. Well flip that around just because someone is approved why would that mean they were genuine. You can flip that as well. Someone defending an Asylum Seeker could be doing it out of ignorance and prejudice in their favour. 100,000 you think is relative very few. What would you say was a lot? How many do you think we can take a year? Waffell How do you know are leaving everything and every person they have ever known? Once granted Asylum and Citizenship they can always pop back home for a holiday and or apply for family to join them? Can you expand on that ? Why would they need anything to do with human traffickers once here and in the system?

When I say heard I mean read and seen how do you know the research you undertake it telling the truth?

I am trying all different ways I did post it on here a few years ago but am having problems now I will keep trying.

Yes. It is not yours until the people leaving it are dead and their estate settled.

Thank you I am on windows so I will have a go.

I have the advert from when I bought my flat in Surrey Quays in 1993 but this site won't let me load it. Keeps saying the file is too big do you know how to reduce its size of the file then I could load it.

I worked in manufacturing for 25 years I worked for two very large organisations. We worked hard and earnt well. It has become very expensive to produce in the UK which does revert back to the cost of land as many higher costs arise from this. The people who used to work in manufacturing here earnt enough to pay taxes here and live but that was before the explosion in the cost of land and the roof over the head. If you did not buy you got a council house. Now all gone. No one knows how much the UK has lost in taxes from the manufacturing going abroad or how much it now costs in benefits to keep those who would/could have worked in it in part time jobs or unemployed. Another aspect is the purpose and responsibility it gave people. Go back to the 80's when I worked in an East London factory most people had married and settled down with a kid by 25. There is no better way to tame a Man and settle him than him becoming a Dad. I saw it many times. Maybe that is why we have so much violence and anti social behaviour now as Men and Women are not maturing and settling. How much does the social decay we have around us cost? The high employment rates within manufacturing had many advantages they are not all instantly quantifiable and shown on a spread sheet.

Having watched this situation unfold for the last 18 months to 2 years I have now come to this conclusion. I have heard all the excuses from Parliament the get tough talk with no action , the new proposals the " our hands are tied by the ECHR ". It is all hot air they are encouraging this. I don't know why but I don't think it is for a good reason. Apparently 400 people have crossed the channel just today almost enough to fill the Bibby Stockholm. We have heard so much about the saga of this barge for the last few weeks it is all a deflection.

Yes it is madness. We also have armies of people working part time and having their pay made up to a full time wage with Tax Credits. We keep being told there is a worker shortage so why are we paying people to work part time. If two people are currently sharing one job one person could do it full time freeing up the second person to fill a vacancy, yet people demand we bring in more people to fill the jobs that even with all the immigration we have had still remain empty. But as you say the employment situation is set to change very drastically soon it is a bit like the interest rate situation people got used to near Zero interest rates now it has all changed. People have got used to there being many vacancies but that will turn on its head very soon.

The great thing about manufacturing was how many jobs it provided that paid a decent wage and gave many people a sense of purpose, these people did not need to be highly educated but could work hard earn and provide for a family. That has all gone now many people who would have worked in manufacturing are now benefit dependent they might work very low paid jobs topped up by in work benefits, the old system was much better.

We hear so many different claims from different people that it is difficult to get a grip on what is fact and what is fiction. I have heard that the French would not let the UK set up a processing centre in France. I am not saying you are right or wrong I am just saying that I have heard both statements, so don't know which one is true. I don't actually believe our government thought they could hide behind the Channel leaving the French with the problem as why would our rescue boats go into French waters and pick people up before they are in British Waters. Again I have heard they don't and I have heard that they do do this. I have also been told by various members of Parliament that their hands are tired due to ECHR rules. However I have also heard that countries in the ECHR Germany and Sweden for instance will not accept Asylum Applications from Albanians who at one point were 80% of the people on the boats. So is that true or not? If other countries are not accepting Albanian Asylum Applications why can we not do the same? As I said we hear so much contradictory statements that it is difficult to know what is and what is not true.

Bob you say you live in Denmark , a country that is in the EU but they don't get the influx of FOM people like the UK did. Why is that? What is the situation in Denmark where immigration and benefits is concerned?

I heard of a family recently who's parents passed so they were going to split a big house between the four of them. It turned out that the parents had ER'd many years ago and they got 10% of what they were expecting. I have heard similar instances on a few occasions.