Insane

So your husband earns £164,000 a year plus you have your salary. I would have thought you would be buying something far higher up the ladder than what you talk about on this site. By the way Wishy Washy is not in the job for the salary , many of our past PM's were not in it for the money they already have plenty. However for a PM with no additional wealth there are also a whole host of add ons thar are very lucrative being and or having been a PM.

So being now 30,000 over that limit already this year shall we send the 30,000 who arrived last out immediately and refuse anyone else who arrives by boat from today onwards?

Where has the UK not been civilised in this current situation? Where did I say anything like that. I said people fleeing to safety are not just fleeing to safety once safe they are looking for the country that gives the most benefits along with safety. The UK and Ireland have a huge pull factor for them. Your above sentence has no logic. Meaningless.

So what would you do with the people who ignore the French processing centre in France and still arrive via a boat? Would you immediately return them? 70k a year we are already 30k over that for this year with another 4 and half months to run , that is without counting those who have arrived in the back of a lorry or a different route than a boat to Dover.

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But they are not doing them either are they. We have had mass immigration and so many of these jobs remain empty. I live in an outer London Borough we have all people doing all kinds of jobs. But pop in the benefits office or job centre as they call it and you will also see all kinds of people. If the jobs remain empty with mass immigration why bring in more people NOT to do the empty jobs?

We have been very civilised. Maybe the problem is we have not just been civilised but too generous which has led to many refugees not just wanting to get to safety but shopping around for the best package available in the safe countries. Hence why so many wish to get to the UK and Ireland , it has also led to people who are not refugees jumping on the refugee bandwagon as the perks are so good.

So today we should just open our borders letting everyone and anyone arrive then give them everything they want and need. Is there anyone alive today that was around back then? Where did I blame them for everything ? Where are my wild accusations? You told me these people want to come and work here, they may even want to start businesses. So I asked you why they don't apply for a working visa and arrive by plane which they could? Quite simple the reply accusing me of taking a big dig at Albanians. So again why are so many arriving by boat? When they could apply for a working visa and arrive by plane?

More Strawman. When we arrived we were getting everything for free? If you go back further than a few centuries you won't be able to know who and how many went where as there are no records. At one point 80% of the people on the boats were from Albanian (the authorities don't tell us so much about who is on the boats now) If they wanted to arrive here and work they could have applied for a working visa flown here and worked, yet they came by boat , so don't fit your above sentence. More rubbish. If you really want to help genuine Asylum Seekers you need to call out the Bogus but you don't. So you hinder not help the real.

Why do you post this strawman statement? Yes we know people moved all over the Globe throughout history, it was not just Brits. But there is no comparison to what is happening today. Did the Irish who went to America get everything handed to them for free when they arrived?

Here is another clip from the same man. He does not have anything good to say about Labour.

Oh your link is from the Guardian , it talks about a paper but does not give much detail does it. The Man in the clip below has a very different take on the matter.

It is galling that tax payers money is being spent on either.

More waffle and card pulling.

Mrs Doyle Mrs Doyle you are diverging again. How are we going to get to the Utopia of a happy contented productive workforce? Now please answer. By the way is Zugzwang now a Racist? He does not want any more immigration. Funny thing is you both bat for the same side which is Labour so how can Labour run a country if it's supporters are so opposed on this issue? There is you waning everyone and him wanting no one. Another big split for Labour.

Where is the Shit? Do we have a surplus or a deficit and debt? You have still not told me how we are going to get to the wonderful utopia of a more happy contented and productive workforce ? Please answer.

But how do you get some of that £8 Trillion? A huge amount of it is an illusion. Hit the city swillers and they will go elsewhere so you while getting nothing from them you will also destroy the pensions and investments of Jo Average.

The dividends on the FTSE 100 have been quite good 5/6% compounded is nothing to sniff at. People still make money by trading shares the base price does not need to keep moving up for rich traders to earn. They can earn on movement up or down.

In work tax credits.

Many Friends of Boris Johnson are still here but will have business interests domiciled elsewhere. How do you know most of their wealth is concentrated in property?

But this is the reason why I don't think we will ever get there. You say " You stop admitting coolie labour by the plane-load" The people like Mrs Doyle proposing this more productive happy society are pro mass immigration at any cost anyone not agreeing with them is a Racist and therefore the infighting on this subject will ensure that they don't move forward.

I did not ask for a definition of it I asked the poster how he/she proposed we get there?

Yes and the Rich are more likely to go elsewhere so we then get nothing from them.

Please.

So how do you propose we get to a situation where things work more smoothly and more workers are happy enabling them to be more productive?