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  1. How many people were loading the NHS in previous Januarys? Don't you remember in previous year non urgent treatments being cancelled in winter due to overloading? Jan 2021 had I higher than recent average mortality rate, but not historically high.
  2. Time to make good on that statement and provide evidence I said such a thing.
  3. Your physical being is a chattel of the state. Sounds very dramatic when phrased like that but still essentially true.
  4. The unvaxxed will have paid tax to fund their treatment (and saved the tax payer money on their jab costs too), and will have paid tax to treat vaxxed persons who still suffer from covid anyway.
  5. The average benchmark your probably referring to is the last five year average which is lower than previous years. From memory April 2020 was the highest April in 40 years but December 20 and January 21 weren't. I think Jan 97 holds the record worst peak.
  6. Indeed they have been successful for what they were intended to do, but more recently there's been a hope/mantra they can stop the spread and that's evidently not happening with so many anecdotal stories of 2x vaxed getting it again and carrying it etc. Even the CDC and Fauci have publically given up pretending otherwise. The dangers of relying on a medication for off label uses! Or at least pinning political careers on this off label usage. Theres no justification for a stick now or later...it's simply not needed nor will achieve anything good.
  7. I haven't seen any MSM @Bruce Banner refers to recently but presume the questions from presenters to carefully picked 'experts' are as leading as I expect. It's bizarre in the face of a downward trend in infections but still needing to keep people scared, so it's time for another meme:
  8. Sadly annual mortality stats comparisons are lost on many here. There's an ons table of the same figures broken down by months out there too...a big eye opener when you see it, but again there's no drama in seeing other years and months with higher numbers than recent ones.
  9. It's like the pope admitting god doesn't exist afterall πŸ˜’. So what's the purpose of the Vax ID here then again remind me 🀨
  10. On top of that the threshold of high blood pressure or high alcohol intake for example changes from time to time (always downwards), so isnt reliable anyway. And if an article is in the DM it's best to assume it's made-up shock tactics anyway to keep its readers anxious.
  11. Back to "and then what?" point. Everyone eventually ends in the same place irrespective of severity of lockdown.
  12. Incompetence of letting indian/delta enter in the first place for example and diverting blame onto younger people. but also aiming at young people and not letting people dwell on the fact the PM and co werent going to isolate on receiving a ping, as pings are only for the little people to observe.
  13. Or the chance to something less deadly? Why does everyone assume it will be more deadly?
  14. Other people jabs are potentially still votes if BJ thinks old people are worried about young people having fun. Based on the figures it will be far more than just Dave! Many of the staff won't be there either to check his fake ID. It will all go even more dystopian if/when the case numbers drop...what scary stat then is used? My guess another country's case rate to keep em scared...maybe France.
  15. Presuming his high BMI leads to high blood pressure, it's unwise for him to be "raging" at young people not making his core voter demographic feel safer 🀨
  16. Knowing some airlines they would end up with two seats.... 21B and 15FπŸ˜•
  17. Footie stadiums have a wider demographic attendance than nightclubs or bingo halls though. It's still a threat from the gov , which may turned out to be an idle one, or sunk by a commons vote anyway. As you say it is not about keeping young people safe at all, but targeting and blaming the young won't lose too many votes from demographics BJ and co rely on.
  18. Probably because, people (ie older conservative voters mostly) are still fearful and seem to be slightly more 'reassured' if everyone else has to do the same as them. On top the govs advisors are giving one sided advice and parliament isnt functioning to balance them out.
  19. There's been a graph showing take levels by age group Vs time and it seem most have now levelled off, and the 20-30 is slowing down rapidly. Given the cost of premier League tickets from when I used to go, not that many in 20-30s actually went. Somebody really wants digi-ID cards by some means as premier League stadiums are filled with mainly vaxxed anyway, unlike nightclubs so the Vax % isn't the concern but the excuse.
  20. Still relying on the TFH crutch? In any case to add to what @Bruce Banner said, scientists may not be pro a particular party of government, but many are pro a style of government. Anyway, a quick look on BBC and theres nothing about marches, but they did have an article about plastic bag shortages - No doubt such journalism is only possible due to the unique way they are funded! The BBC may relent on their ignore policy if the Guardian gets jumpy about covid ID cards though, or even if their youngest members of the workforce wake up to it.
  21. An apparently it's an amber country if you return hereπŸ€”. It gets little coverage as there's no doom value it covering it. Israel is the other country to watch as well to see what happens once a vax campaign is nearly done. What did I say about people resorting to tfh as a debating crutch? 😁
  22. Adding to @Bruce Banner points, people like yourself are lazy 'strawman' use the TFH or anti vax labels, try to link to magnets or simply insult people as a way of avoiding dealing with a fundamental issue and important points you find hard to argue against: 1. The vaxs arent fully tested and being rolled out to 10s of millions without them being informed properly, and to make it worse any concerns about the lack of medium and long term risk profile is entirely valid, but the debate's 'filtered' since December. AZs product being banned and restricted is evidence of issues that ought to have been picked up earlier, and mRNA is a new technology anyway. 2. People are being coerced into it without any debate even of the ethics legality and morality of where one persons medical non-need for something competes against someone else fear of something, whilst likely protected themselves. No balanced person would describe these concerns as TFH as they are genuine issues where the first may turn out to be no concern yet the second is really thorny anyway. The narrative is to avoid these tough issues.
  23. So coercing people to have semi tested medication they don't need in breach of the Nuremberg code is "incentivising"? 🀣🀣. All, Q. Who pays the covid bill...young working folk families or those that lockdown & vaxes were actually for? Q. If 43+ Tory MPs will rebel on Vax passes, will gov risk a HofC vote, back down, or something else?
  24. I wonder if any of these governments implementing or threatening people with these things have considered the long term damage of the state and the people has been done? Or even the medium term damage? Will older vulnerable generations ever consider being grateful to the youngers ones?
  25. So what's the logic for vaccine passports if everyone is immune by jab or by nature? 🀨
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