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Konig

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  1. Not a very good attempt at a diversion tactic response - and one which is frankly is full of meaningless garbage statements. The 'pay them to go home' line was National Front stock in the 1970/1980's. You posted that we 'should make them an offer'. With my post I am clearly questioning where do you draw the line, how do you define who is them exactly, and what if someone else decides they have a different view of who should be up for this 'exit bonus' ?
  2. And what then? Extend that 'offer' to the 'blacks', followed by the '*****(tanis)', and hell, why not complete the job and finish up with the "oirish'.... Errol and the gardener - among others - how did you become so embittered? Genuine question....
  3. FFS. No plan as usual. Getting back to basics, can anyone refresh my mind as to 'why and when?' the EU became the devil itself? Now, I hate the Tories, because of support for bankers, support for businesses that escape paying tax, support for HIPI, being anti workers employment rights, their pathological hatred of pubic sector workers, and anyone on benefits... But in terms of what Brexit will achieve, what and how will the above change?
  4. As far as I have read, article 50 is pretty vague, and only covers the agreement as far as the process of exiting the EU goes i.e. who pays who's pensions, our contributions to EU payments and liabilities etc. During those 2 years for agreeing those terms we will also start to to negotiate how trade will work post-Brexit, but that is not actually what article 50 covers. There are basically three scenarios as far as I can see for a UK-EU Brexit trade - We get the 'jumbo EU trade deal' Boris reckons, with some concession on FOM, or The EU and UK agree it will take years to
  5. Early in this thread we did the 'what's the Brexit plan?' stuff. No Leave voters could come up with one. Then we did the 'Brexit will mean the economy will tank' stuff. Leave voters shouted 'project fear' for a while and then did a complete u-turn and said 'we all knew that but don't care, it's worth it' (except for some who said, 'that's the point, so they eat grass by the side of the road like me'). Then came the 'article 50 judges are crooked' phase. Now we are in the 'your children will be conscripted unless we leave' phase... Where do we go next with this? No cult here then.
  6. Just when you think the MSM have started to get it that sky-high London prices are not actually a good thing.... http://www.cityam.com/253263/does-donald-trump-win-mean-london-house-prices
  7. I think article 50 will be triggered, by Parliament. And that is democratically right, in my view, based on the vote Leave mandate. But what people - here and in the media - seem to forget is that Parliament still has to agree whatever the eventual 'Brexit deal' is that is negotiated, after the 2 year time frame. Now that raises different democratic issues altogether. Does the Leave mandate of last June mean that Parliament will at that future point in time be democratically obligated to accept whatever Brexit terms are negotiated / offered? And what if parts of that '
  8. You think we have a "negotiating position" but then declare we actually "just voted to leave". So, which one is it? Or will you just choose which position to take according to your own personal view of every issue that comes up during the next 2 (more like 10) years of unraveling this mess....
  9. On a slightly less sarcastic note, and in response to the title question of this thread, the answer could possibly be 'yes and no'. For example, we trigger article 50 and start negotiations, 2 years starts to loom and its clear no grand deal can be done, so there is an extension on EU membership, with all the terms the same as now (single market access, we pay in, FOM, etc.) and this goes on and on while we try and negotiate a 'final' exit - 5, 10, 15 years etc. Incidentally, the scenario above could play out as an 'interim' arrangement for the same length of time but with us actuall
  10. Forgive me my past sins, I have now seen the light and have been converted! We should trigger article 50 straight away and let May personally decide what should or should not be the whole future basis of the UK's relationship with the EU and therefore, in may respects, with the rest of the world, completely and absolutely unfettered by Parliament at all times. She should then go and demand that from the EU, with the threat of a boycott of fizzy Italian wine. If the EU will not agree, or possibly offers Her any compromise that She personally likes the sound of, then whatever She
  11. The reaction of most of the Brex#itters on here to the High Court decision sounds more and more like the Property 118 brigade about S24 - "we'll just overwhelm the national grid, innit" - or worse, like Trump - "those judges were crooked".... It really is just a cult of those who have no understanding of how politics, economics, and the whole world actually works, as well as being a scary example that is similar to the brainwashed mentality of 1930s Germany . Yes, I get the referendum voted 'we should leave the EU'. I accept that. But it follows that it is now up to those wh
  12. Which is why we end up with another General Election before article 50 is triggered. And a GE trumps everything....
  13. That the High Court said our constitution does not actually allow (non-elected) Prime Ministers of the UK to take away our democratic, parliament-granted rights by using an ancient legal Royal Prerogative loophole, designed to shaft the peasants, to personally decide what Brexit actually means and what rights we may, or may not, be left with, once She has decided. Big turnout I predict - may need at least two coaches - many more if they plan to stop by the side of the road to pick up those on here who 'are eating grass and want everyone else to'....
  14. As long as there is a credible plan for brexit parliament will be obliged to vote for article 50. So no problem then. Oh, hang on....
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