dugsbody

I have some sympathy for that view. But you've previously said you think brexit will work out better for the UK economically. Why did you say that?

That must please you greatly.

So you're saying there is no point in any economic modelling as a tool for evaluating decisions at this sort of level? Even just to compare, all else being equal, which would be a better choice?

This is getting dire. Now we're not allowed to serve up our own food in the company restaurant. Had to make do with a regular portion of chips rather than bursting out the seams.

The fact that, like any development currently, you will still need building regulations to sign-off?

Interesting. Brexiters were telling us that states had no sovereignty in the EU. Now you're telling us they do. As usual, brexiters are able to argue both sides because they don't really care if their arguments make sense.

Global interest rates have trended towards zero. Carney is irrelevant.

People won't vote for that. In democracy, mob rules.

Of course it is. What else is there? Everything boils down to the threat of violence, or "might makes right".

That's a stupid way of looking at it. Really, the problem is this age segregated policies. They work because they divide and conquer. Just as you're exhibiting now.

That is because of how our political system works. Their primary job is to win votes every five years and you do that with appearances rather than useful policy. Just ask them how many self build houses have been built as a result of their "land available for self build register". How many councils have added a single item to that register? It is all just optics for a broadly unintelligent population.

Another brexiter classic. Shown the lies fed to them by our own politicians, you somehow still contrive an attempt to twist it onto the EU. You're consumed with your hatred. All roads lead to the EU for you.

I didn't say it wasn't happening. I'm saying that people like you will simultaneously claim we should be turning away all immigrants, sinking ships if needed, blame Germany for inviting them in - but in the next instant you see an opportunity for more anti-EU hate and blame the EU for the problems Greece is now experiencing and blame Greece for turning away immigrants. You would be the same person who would vote for any party who promises never to let an economic immigrant near our shores. In short, you're just one of many, many liars filled with hate.

I'm not interested in the past vote nor am I interested in what Piggy Cameron did. The referendum was badly run and favoured the side who lied relentlessly and purposely chose to convey mixed messages in order to harvest voters with contradictor opinions on what brexit meant. It was the opposite of how I think democracy should be. You're happy with it because you won.

I hope you're writing to your MP to send help and ship the migrants over here. Anything to make political capital against Europe huh? You guys are so filled with hate.

As I said, you favour a simple binary vote because it allowed your side to game that system to win with relentless lying. And then you call that representative "democracy". I don't like lies, of any sort. If truth is optional, then anything goes. And we might as well have chaos rule.

But if the referendum had been run in a Swiss style, with far more detail required for the outcome, would people have still voted to leave? I'm virtually certain the outcome would have been the other way. And now, in reality, we have to make those decisions anyway, so why not let the public vote on them up-front? Clearly you're going to support a binary non-detailed question, with "details ironed out later", because that won the vote for the leave side. I don't think it is the best way to run a democratic vote. People should have more nuance. Certainly Dominic Cummings, the man behind the leave campaign, was very happy with it.

They'll just shift their lies and tell you they never believed those things anyway. Not one brexiter out of 17 million believed those things. They all knew what they were voting for. But not that.

Wtf is the "liberal elite"? You mean the "conservative elite"?

Somehow this must be the fault of the EU. Because when Greece could not meet their debt obligations we were certainly told it was the fault of the EU.

So, instead of the "nightmare" of some pensioners who own all the decent housing having to downsize to to pay for promises that were made to them which can't be met, they'll instead just tax those of us who never had the same opportunity to own these houses so we can keep the pensioners in them. Because what they really mean is so that no _current_ pensioner has to sell their home, they'll make us current workers pay for them. What a ******ing joke of a country and political system. Glad brexiters voted for more of this type of thing.

Except for special people like yourself, who get to move to another country.

Do you expect you will be deported back to where you came from?

You're telling me to "own it"? I'll leave these posts here as a reminder.

So you just threatened nuclear war... but apparently remainers are the mad hatters. I think I recognise your posting style. Hmm..