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24 minutes ago, MattW said:
They did tell me that they assumed at the time that with every council house sale, a new replacement house was built by the council.
I wonder if any money from the sales did go back into social housing - that's what should have happened.
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My parents used RTB in the 80's and still live in the same house along with many other families around them. There has been one instance of a more recent tennant using RTB for BTL - legally because the timescales are way too short. You should only be allowed the RTB after a substantial number of years at the property and then there should be a 15 year sale/rent clause after that.
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3 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:
The EU has to react to us, until we invoke A50 there is no legal basis for them opening negotiations.
Its entirely up to us whether we try to use EU citizens as a bargaining chip, I like most people think it would be a shabby thing to do.
Then would it not be common sense to state that we are committed to a reciprocal arrangement and leave it at that until negotiations start.
Edit: It would be shabby to do anything over than that and very shabby to do something that would jeopardise the lives of 1.5m UK citizens.
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1 minute ago, knock out johnny said:
I dont like uninformed uneducated people deciding national policy that will affect me.
You obviously dream of a second chamber of uneducated binmen just because they are binmen
I welcome a second chamber of critical educated crossbench binmen
I know which one of us is the bigger meritocrat?
Do you?
Get this into your head, 'Ordinary' people are the broad spectrum of society. You constantly talk about binmen, milkmen, etc.. you get pulled up on it and you harp on even more about wanting only a small group of people controlling the populace. I prefer critical diversity.
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2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:
They couldn't even if they wanted to.
The A50 text states that to be valid invocation must be carried out in accordance with the leaving states constitutional arrangements. So if our Supreme Court overturns it, legally it never happened (just a bad dream like that series of Dallas) and unfortunately we would be liable for all costs incurred in supporting the failed process.
Then should we not do everything in the correct order - trigger A50 and then start discussing all elements of seperation (including citizens rights). That is the process that the EU is following and so should we.
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10 minutes ago, knock out johnny said:
Nothing mean. I let people play to their strengths.
Best of luck having your root canal dealt with by your milkman
What is your strength? Coming up with totally naff analogies?
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1 minute ago, Confusion of VIs said:
Two obvious points we are:
the party that has decided to leave creating the uncertainty
we have delayed invocation of A50 prolonging the uncertainty
More parochially, for the NHS trust my wife works in it is already causing problems with recruitment and retention of medical staff.
You may stand by your comment but it seems to be based on how you feel about the EU rather than any evidence that anyone is going to be shafted. You also ignore the fact that, on this issue at least, the HoL have voted in line with public sentiment.
, however we have delayed invoking
As I said earlier, trigger A50 with this unnecessary amendment and let the UK citizens in the EU know that it is the decision of the Lords and their supporters. As for delay, one week! Once triggered we would have been discussing such matters, no more uncertainty. What do we have now, more uncertainty and delay! And your assumption about how I feel about the EU - maybe it is more about my concerns for friends who are working overseas.
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9 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:
Gina Miller warns Theresa May of new court battle if Parliament not guaranteed vote on leaving EU
This issue i.e. that the courts could dismiss the vote to invoke A50 as a sham if parliament did not have a genuine opportunity to vote against proceeding with Brexit was discussed on here a few hundred pages back.
Legal advice on this was split but there was/is a risk the Supreme Court could declare the invocation of A50 null and void at the end of the process leading to one hell of a mess.
I wonder if May will risk it.
If it got to such a level of shenanigans (there is no other word for it) then hopefully Europe would chuck us out of the 'club'.
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28 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:
Why? The only person who thinks that anyone's citizens can be used as a bargaining chip is May, most of the leading Brexiters (Davis, Fox, Boris) wanted their rights to be guaranteed in advance.
And that would have happened if it was reciprocal - but as you stated, Europe can not discuss such things until A50 is triggered - so why should we? It is called common sense.
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8 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:
No Merkel (and other leaders) have pointed out that the EU constitution prevents them from addressing the issue prior to invocation of A50.
I find it strange that you and others on here get so annoyed when the EU follows the democratically agreed rules. Often quoting it as a terrible thing and a reason why we should leave.
What is wrong with us not addressing the issue until A50 is triggered? Why the obsession with giving up any chance of our citizens getting fair treatment? I stand by my comment - the HOL are shafting UK citizens in the EU.
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11 minutes ago, rollover said:
You are using deliberately misleading explanation. The Lords did not asked to guarantee exclusive rights to EU citizens, superior to British people.
Face facts, they are saying A50 can now be triggered with the rights of EU citizens in the UK guaranteed - what about the rights of UK citizens in the EU? They will be shafted.
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59 minutes ago, knock out johnny said:
The beauty of the Lords is that it has a great deal of non-partisan expert members who are not after anyone's vote and will use there educated expertise and judgement on complex and nuanced issues.
eg
Lord Winston 1995 Labour Life peer Professor of Science and Society and Emeritus Professor of Fertility Studies at Imperial College London Lord Wasserman 2011 Conservative Life peer Internationally recognised expert on management of police forces Lord Wright of Richmond 1994 Crossbencher Life peer Former Head of the Diplomatic Service Lord Walker of Aldringham 2006 Crossbencher Life peer Former Chief of the Defence Staff Lord Walker of Gestingthorpe 2002 Crossbencher Law life peer Former Law Lord and Justice of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom Baroness Murphy 2004 Crossbencher Life peer Former Professor of Psychiatry of Old Age at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospitals United Medical School And many, many others. Or would you rather Lord Fred of the Dustbin Depot help draft legislation on medical ethics or prison policy
To be perfectly frank, I'd prefer them all to be crossbenchers
Wow, love the second from last para. So, I pick you up on a rather naff comment about how 'non-lords' folk are plebs and you fire off a bit of a decent response but then revert to mean at the end - yawn.
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15 minutes ago, knock out johnny said:
Yeah ordinary citizens, awesome! Arise sir Fred of the Dustcart Depot and decide on complicated things - your country needs you.
Take the above and the comment you were replying to. You mask it with Sir Fred of the Dustcart Depot, but basically you are saying people from outside the political system.
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1 minute ago, knock out johnny said:
No - I pity fools
Unless you are part of the political system you are incapable of understanding complicated things - sounds like something a fool would say.
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1 minute ago, knock out johnny said:
Yeah ordinary citizens, awesome! Arise sir Fred of the Dustcart Depot and decide on complicated things - your country needs you.
What does your cousin say, as you have consistently shown to understand fckall re constitutional matters
There are plenty of people within society who understand complicated things.
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I would trigger A50 with the amendment and point out that it is useless even trying to negotiate the rights of our citizens abroad because the House of Lords has just shafted the lot of them.
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34 minutes ago, giesahoose said:
Paying yourself minimum wage and then claiming the test as dividends is pure tax avoidance.
There is now a dividend tax.
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The Chinese culture of the male/his parents being expected to sort out the marital home - absolute madness in modern Chinese society.
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11 minutes ago, macca13 said:
Have you seen the allotments and parks are now the target for new build houses and flats? There are 2 allotment stories I have been following 1 in Watford and 1 in central London, the 1 in Watford the council claimed it needed the land for hospital expansion. But plans showed they had no intention of expanding the hospital.. its been going on for years the court case, terrace farm.. reclassification are being attempted to land grab in major towns and cities..
What annoys me about the Shropshire lot is that they are Nodam's rather than Nimby's.
The grabbing of allotments and green spaces within built-up areas is conveniently labelled as 'brownfield development'.
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9 minutes ago, macca13 said:
I agree so much with all of your above comments, Sustainable population is never spoken about,.. all anyone talks about is the economy and how much cash the stinking rich can extract from the working poor. Whenever I mention over population I am struck down with an argument about how much land golf courses take up.. It seems like a massive deviation from the point.. You can build more houses but you need to feed cloth and water all the people in those houses and for that you need land.. not more f**king concrete.
I think in years to come overpopulation and how we cope will be the No1 topic..
But like all previous governments they ignore problems for many years until they become a real problem by which point its too late.
Totally agree with you - the big issue for humanity is a sustainable population. My problem with CC taxation is that it means nothing if the people enforcing it and lecturing to us avoid talking about such an important part of the picture.
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Our equipment upgrade is needed but not straight away so I decided to boost the dividend. I have a feeling the governments tax take next January will be dire.
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16 minutes ago, disenfranchised said:
Yep. Just paid a £10k tax bill I didn't need to incur by taking a larger dividend thanks to being screwed by Osborne for this year.
I also held back on investing in new equipment so that I could take as big a dividend as possible :-)
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BBC raving on about the best January surplus in almost two decades - the usual talk of having a bit more money to spend gets a mention. Any good journalist would look into why the January surplus has been so good - well it is because of the change in dividend taxation. Lots of company directors have maximised dividends by pushing payments into the previous tax year and by drawing upon tangible assets. As a result next January's surplus will be much lower. At least article 50 will be triggered by then so they can blame it on that!
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13 minutes ago, macca13 said:
That was a TV series I watched, it was low lying islands and storm surges. They were more frequent meaning people were moving to the main land and away from their homes. If a storm surge like we had on the east coast a month or so ago was 3 meters it will breach and flood land. point being, if your base level is 2 meters higher due to global warming and the surges more frequent that represents a 5 meter raise during a storm surge from current levels. The map shows areas below 5 meter sea level. that's what I was looking into.
Storm surges can raise sea levels by up to 8m in tropical areas and by over 3m in European seas. Coastal flooding occurs when some combination of high tide, storm surge and wave conditions overtops or breaches coastal defenses. Storm surges are often the additional factor required to exceed thresholds or to raise the water level so that powerful waves can inflict damage.
Are we back to global warming? You are correct, it is now global warming again as the pause has been removed, oh, hang on, the pause busting paper has been shown to be unfounded.
Stick to population levels and resources - that's what most people are worried about, not green subsidies by the rich against the plebs.
Global waste per person is sickening - I don't need convincing through tax and sexed up unscrutinised brass eye news.
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Wow! FUBAR still censor its URL (which was basically the same as this one but with 'global' in front of it).