Royw6

You see, you have your nasty little gang of foamy mouthed racists. Just showing you through provoking them, you might like to come across as the reasonable one, "oh it was so nice in the old days", but the reality is it wasn't. "we don't need growth to be happy" but for gov to pay for things we do. You are no better than them, if slightly more eloquent.

Ok, I think you have a sexual fetish which can only be satisfied by spouting wild and anti-polish ******. My best advice would be to try choking yourself next time you are writing your latest anecdote.Your posts can serve no other function.

So no evidence then of your claims about grandparents leaving their homes and families in Poland to get a free colour tv licsense in Redcar, or whatever rubbish you claimed previously.. No evidence at all. I still think spouting unevidenced and racially provocative statements turns you on, a little fetish of yours .

Personal wealth (note how much the top 10% own) http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_428631.pdf Value of the U.K. Economy by sector can be found at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom#Taxation Wealth is there and can be taxed. If you genuinely believe we can't all have a pension, look at the pensions of the top 10% on the ONS document - tax deductible contributions naturally. As I say, this country has staggering amounts of wealth and resource. As long as we keep trading under current arrangements, our economy is fine.

No links to zero hedge or RT?

Debt is something not to get hung up on. The U.K. finances have been better, they have been worse. However, the U.K. has so much money sloshing around it is jaw dropping. You could raise tax if you wish and pay down debt, you could increase the debt to pay for nuclear missiles if you wished or you could simply maintain it. the argument that tax reduces economic activity is only true when you tax those who spend all their income, the idle rich in this country is a different matter. The fact that they save in gold, in property and in other no-productive assets, reduces productivity. This country is not poor, it just chooses not to tax the wealthy.

I think anything would do really, stats preferably. Otherwise people might say you just make things up.

In a society we are greater than the sum of the parts, we do not live in some weird dystopian world like a mad max movie no matter what you may think. If a single mother hasn't paid in any tax, so what. A mother is a valid member of society and one who has generated the next generation. If a pensioner hasn't paid in enough over his or her years working as a cleaner, so what. They contributed to society and deserve respect and our assistance as required. I am not sure why you or any of the rest of the nasty brigade may find this concept wrong.Then your concept of British, what the hell is that? Four generations, ten generations, related to Adam and Eve who lived in England (your mindset might suggest). What is British, I certainly do not relate to you or your "nasty gang" on here, and yet I am English. Your ****** about the "good old days" has been proved a nonsense and now you bang on about a concept of Britishness which is alien. I have nothing in common with a person from north wales, nor a catholic from Northern Ireland, I have nothing in common with a Protestant Scot, nor a farmer from Anglia. Britishness is a falicy, deliberately exclusive and one I reject.

So now people get nothing unless they pay a certain amount, is that no money, no housing, no food? What does this brave new vision of yours entail. I would hope public humiliation as well as potential starvation. Can I rest assured this new enforced poverty would not affect your family, I would sleep much better to know that.

Do you actually masturbate while you write these messages? Is that what it is, a weird nasty fetish? You provided no evidence again and your post is just their to provoke a reaction from those who share your nasty views.

I choose not to live around vile minded people, too negative, petty and nasty - perhaps people like you I assume.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2bOXQibamM

Well we have selective school on the way back I suppose. Just hanging and national service to go. It is all madness to me, in five years time the fickle public will be outraged my the poverty of migrants.

It might be a win, but why would you. It would have minimal if any effect on migration and save virtually nothing - see David Davis speech and stats in this thread. All you would do is increase poverty for migrants and cause misery. Its just nasty politics for vile people.

Not sure what you mean are you suggestion the complete removal of state assistance.

Great post, interesting film. You make your case perfectly. I would also say that the video makes the case for in work benefits, so that it always pays to work rather than get caught in the poverty trap of getting less than you would not working - you need growth to redistribute wealth - without growth there is nothing to redistribute. Great find.

It is sweet you believe in the establishment so deeply, the benevolent leaders, hard working, honest and diligent public sector. The government love the pliable public like you who believe anything they are told.

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Not true, no minister trusts civil servants or anyone else. ministers and politicians are so flakey and untrustworthy as to be uncomfortable, turn on a six pence and eat their own children if hungry. Senior civil servant or not, if you, or anyone, believes MPs or ministers they are beyond daft.

Greatest of respects but this cannot be true. No civil servant is, or would be told about political intent. Even back benchers are not, the risks are too great. The above is fantasy and only the PM and her special advisers have any idea, sorry chappie it's just not credible.

Yeah canbuywontbuy seems to have mental issues associated with being an immigrant to the uk himself before moving to Thailand. It seems to make him believe he is qualified to complain about migrants (like he was) who live in a country he has left after earning enough money to live elsewhere. Very sad, anyone got a bucket I can borrow to shut him up?

Spot on! Made me laugh aloud.

I lost respect when you were talking about drowning disabled kids in buckets on another thread, now I realise you just like winding people up and can be discounted. Glad people like you don't really exist though.

Sorry am I missing something? It says no such thing.

That is not a credible stat then. You are adding oranges with apples.

Yes the old age, those on pensions. I saw a great show called Logan's run, that would solve the issue of pension deficits and pensioners clogging up our hospitals. Actually, northerners produce less than southerners, so let's sort them too.Ok look, what is it about some on here "the nasty gang" who for some reason focus on the fact that a child, whoever it might be, might need shoes or an education. Why shouldn't they go to school, why shouldn't their parent have child benefit to help feed them, why should they be treated as second class citizens. You cannot withhold all benefits from migrants until they have been here for so many years unless you want increased homelessness, proper developing world poverty, a social underclass and unrest. What possible reason other than being cold hearted and vile can you give for denying a person equal treatment with another? The money issue has been debunked by David Davies, so if the argument is to make the uk such a cesspool of human suffering that people won't come here fine. But is that the uk you want? Just as important as your moral understanding of the suffering you are arguing for is the wider impact. Once the Tory party gains agreement to the dismantling of what little equality and redistribution that exists for the poor currently (our social system of benefits, , pensions, education, health etc (it is a package and indivisible)), the next argument will follow that if it is good enough for one group of individuals, it is fair and proper to apply it to all. You will find the laissez-faire values of old from the last century will return, and all social government care dissolves. Becareful what you wish for.