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  1. 8 hours ago, zugzwang said:


    The country voted for him 2017.

    In droves!

    Attempting to triangulate Brexit is what cost Labour the 2019 GE.



    Jeremy Corbyn increased Labour's vote share more than any of the party's leaders since 1945

    Socialist achieves bigger swing than Tony Blair.

    Harriet Agerholm,Louis Dore
    Friday 09 June 2017 18:52

    Corbyn could rightly be ripped for poor leadership, being too nice to clear snakes who'd rather Labour lose than win and not pushing through re-selection rules and some rather interestingly alienating takes on some cultural issues (What is a woman?)

    The economic policies, health, education and social welfare and even business options with solid infrastructure plans all costed, were excellent. You won't find any post-war political leader invoke such genuinely warm spontaneous cheer to the point where the tv producers were literally trying to mute it.

    That's a vote share increase with 1 hand tied behind his back as he gets kicked in the balls btw; his own party workers literally campaigning against him. 2 coup-attempts and the hostile media.

    In an age of anti-establishment populism, he came close to a few thousand votes of being in power in 2017 and ultimately was ground into the dust by the establishment by 2019.

    Yet et tu McDonnell? John McDonnell's acquiescence to the very deliberately honed split created by Watson/Mandelso/Campbell via "THE PEOPLE'S VOTE NOWW!!!!!" campaign, was indeed what lost the election or rather allowed the Tories to double-down.

    All Corbyn had, throughout every contrived controversy and a few of his own, was "Authenticity," and the moment his team listened to McDonnell - and it was a very tough choice given the sheer scale of pressure from everywhere for Labour to pivot away from their 2017 position by people who oddly have now gone "silent," was what cost them this most treasured quality that had elevated Corbyn.

    And this lies at the heart of why Labour is being ripped to shreds; in a polarised world, a consensus can work if aimed in teh right way, but that very same polarisation can also tera the very fabric of your own party; and that's what has happened. How do you attract young pro-EU pro-cultural-change culturally middle-class professionals and ally them with small-c conservative left-leaning workers?


  2. On 06/10/2021 at 11:55, IMHAL said:

    Igree with that but I think something more profound is going on. A doubling down of previous rhetoric, no option but to raise the stakes. The cons know that they have no option but to take the jam tomorrow line...and they are bigging it up. If you are going to lie then lie big.

    Labour have been hamstrung in that they dare not criticise Brexit for fear of alienating voters. They should be holding BJ to account over his claims of higher wages and higher productivity. Where is the plan?

    The Tories are benefitting enormously - unprecedented - with the only viable opposition vying for which wing to elect to alienate another sector of the nation.

    Elect Starmer and simply get watery cuddly Centrism  that's gone stale and reeks of Blair to too many people with no really different policies on housing et al. Labour's apparatchiks (Mandelson et al) will tolerate losses for decades if it means we erase any hint of a genuine left alternative because thats what their favoured elite liberal establishment cliques want.

    Elect Corbyn MK2 and alienate the sections ofl northern working-white classes et al and alienate middle england and the establishment.

    Labour's only hope is electing a Burnham type figure and even that's a stretch whilst the party is filled with either a dominant radical cultish left or the current dominant cultish right-wing centrists.

    Essentially, if the Tories manage to not win a majority for the next election, it should be regarded as a staggering failure on a par with if Blair had lost to IDS.

  3. Scepticus I don't understand your points.

    Are you saying that macro, micro and economic policy in general and the governance of institutions that could influence or did influence HPI at any level, was not driven by politics? Even the politics of standing by in favour of technocracy and institutional governance over direct party political implementation of core policies?

    BTL Mortgage Interest tax relief was not a political choice for example?

  4. On 28/07/2021 at 12:54, byron78 said:

    Why does Mises keep coming up on this thread?

    He's was in the Fatherland Front in Austria for a bloody start!

    Is that really where we are now?

    Yes. Sadly. Large horrendous inequality leads to polarization. And no, increasing liberal centrism is not th answer.

    Where do we go from here? All this wealth stashed away in 1s and 0s and we can't have basic food, health, shelter and peace for all. Absolutely stupid.

    How can we be so smart to invent marvelous things and yet be so stupid to not use technology to drive our species and human spirit forward? The Extra-Terrestrials in the Universe have probably put is into some inter-galactic quarantine until we emerge as civilised people/

  5. On 26/07/2021 at 23:10, scottbeard said:

    Exactly so, and something you've helped me understand.

    Almost everything in life is at its best in the (quite large) middle ground, rather than at the edges.

    Without a bit of socialism we wouldn't have an NHS.  Without a bit of capitalism we wouldn't have the industries that fund it.

    That balance is crucial.  You need a bartering creative system to harness capital but then you need good governance, democratic accountability to regulate, legislate and construct social structures to elevate civilization and apportion justice. We are both individuals and a community. 

    Sadly we may have to choose between the worst of all worlds.

  6. On 26/07/2021 at 11:25, Locke said:

    Everything they do makes sense when you understand that the point of Government is to extract the maximum wealth from the population while minimising the probability that they will meaningfully revolt.

    Does the farmer represent his cattle? Does he keep them healthy because he likes them? Does he give them comfortable accommodation because he cares about their personal fulfillment. Everything a Government or farmer does is aimed at milking the maximum from the herd.

    In India you may find a contrary answer

  7. On 26/07/2021 at 10:17, Pop321 said:

    I agree. Socialism has been vilified in the US and now over here….and they are marching on the Liberals too.

    I am a liberal leftie…my ideals lie in socialism and the left but I walk into a public sector establishment (eg the council offices or a hospital) and 5 minutes later I am an extreme capitalist. So reality is I sit in the middle.

    My main issue is people accept bank director getting paid £8m when they are not a director but rather an employee. Richard Branson etc at least took risks and set up the business…if he wishes to pay himself an amount that ruins his own business that’s up to him. The bank overpaid employees are the worst example of a boys club and it’s now deemed acceptable…each voting for one another’s salary’s because they control other finance and insurance companies who own the bank shares.   

    The elitist Eton and Oxford government and establishment we have now doesn’t represent the average person nor does it want to….many on here moan about high house prices and Gordon Brown being responsible for every issue we see today as though the last decade the current government ‘has its hands tied’.

    Reality is for me it’s a toss up between well intentioned incompetence or a boys club where they don’t care.

    Thank you.

  8. On 31/07/2021 at 18:40, scepticus said:

    not a political one

    Thoroughly disagree.

    Simply look through the leadership strategists of both political parties through the past 2 decades.

    HPI = More growth in spending (albeit on debt) as voters that feel wealthier vote for you. Fundamentally, political managerialism allows banks and de-regulation to politically ignore the ramifications of credit release and mortgage availability.

    Politics is most definitely at the heart of HPI. Deliberately. Margaret Thatcher didn't sell-off council housing for a laugh, it was to constrain labour markets from striking for better conditions or preserving certain basic conditions.


  9. On 26/07/2021 at 07:00, Warlord said:

    Mises on Socialism (written in the 1920's):

    'In fact Socialism is not in the least what it pretends to be. It is not the pioneer of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of civilization have created. It does not build; it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership in the means of production has created. Since a socialist order of society cannot exist, unless it be as a fragment of Socialism within an economic order resting otherwise on private property, each step leading towards Socialism must exhaust itself in the destruction of what already exists.'

    Excerpted from Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis. Published as "The Nature of Destructionism," section 1 of chapter 33, "The Motive Powers of Destructionism."





  10. On 06/09/2020 at 10:26, byron78 said:

    40 years of neolib and we're back to 1930s style slums.

    But it's probably all the left's fault still, isn't it?

    You kids today. Wow.

    We should have stopped buying Avocados. It's all our fault for wanting what our parents and grandparents had.

    The left is at fault for pointing this all out. Drape a flag, salute the queen, be grateful for a meal and roof over our heads. If we simply had the can-do spirit of great capitalist visionaries like Greenshill, Sugar, Trump, Bezos we could all live like Kings in our fiefdoms.

    I'm off to flagellate myself with a copy of Milton Friedman's papers and defenestrate myself out of my boxroom into a skip.

  11. Apsana Begum's case shows how dirty politics is.

    Literally gargantuan amounts of theft by respectable politicians glossed over; instead to pursue a vindictive ex's complaint (who is himself a councillor), to remove a lefty socialist MP.

    Even if you feel that Begum was at fault, the comparative lack of accountability of others should be a point to note. 

    Now if Apsana had patronage from Mandelson or was called Emily Blinkworth and was a friend of Boris, the case would be reported entirely differently.

  12. On 14/07/2021 at 11:48, Warlord said:

    He was Prime Minister for 7 years.

    After the ERM debacle he lowered taxes  and spending to a point not seen before in this country (30  percent to GDP or something like that) and we saw a big rebound in the economy

    The thanks he got was a Labour landslide in 97. 

    Perhaps his biggest sin letting those maniacs in power but I think voters were just bored with the Tories after 18 years.

    They wanted change and boy did they get it ! 

    So what are your memories of John Major (apart from the sideshow scandals and what not)?

    I was only a nipper and  barely politically aware at the time so appreciate any comments,,


    I will never forgive him for Railtrack and Privatization and not ensuring legal constraints on greater political union with Europe. Could easily have forged a far better deal which would have been the most unique arrangement that may have prevented the political polarization of the referendum.

    His personal life trajectory and story is film worth. Incredible achievement. His parents were literally Circus acts and he grew up in inner Brixton.

    I suspect somewhere he relaxes with some medical herbs and dub sounds whilst watching Cricket.

  13. 17 hours ago, msi said:

    An Economist is someone who can explain yesterday's weather the day after

    I have been amazed at just how high a number as a proportion, of people with Economics Degrees of all levels, seem to coalesce in the highest echelons of my Industry.


    And Industry which is literally not a sole-economic led industry in its operations.

  14. 7 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

    @cbathpcI've sent you a PM about this...seems some media bod wants to use it.  Dunno about how you feel about that but I've put the info in the PM.


    I've had quite a bit of MSM interest in the last few months, it seems the truth will out one way or another.  Nothing for the trolls to worry about obviously.

    I am convinced Faisal Islam - on account of his book The Default Line - must be either a poster or lurker.

  15. On 23/05/2021 at 08:11, Voice of Doom said:

    Not sure which is the best thread for this but I thought this was a sensible take from the Observer/Guardian today.


    "Another reason Sunak doesn’t especially feel like gloating is that he and his officials are concerned the surge in activity will blow itself out during the summer, with things looking a lot less robust in the autumn."

    "The big imponderable is what happens as government support is withdrawn. Many businesses have little or no working capital; insolvencies have been kept artificially low for the past 15 months; the furlough comes to an end in September. These things concern the chancellor, as well they might."

    For me, figures showing huge growth in retail sales, etc., is obviously good news for the economy but also misleading in that it is like saying a man limping out of intensive care is now 300% faster than when he was stretchered in.


  16. 6 hours ago, gruffydd said:

    Nobody does lol - another hidden narrative... Yitzhak Shamir, the future Israeli prime minister but an underground LEHI activist in the 1940s, chose the nom de guerre ‘Michael’, in homage to Michael Collins - most of his tactics came from Ireland. Robert Emmet Briscoe (Irish Jewish IRA man) acted as a bridge to some extent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briscoe_(politician)

    I can't hep but add to this interesting tangent.

    None other than Pakistan, was the state that - ideologically and covertly - had extensive back-channel ties to nascent post-1947 Israel, famously culminating in the 80s when the favorable-to-the-US coup against Bhutto, was led by Gen. Zia - who literally accelerated right-wing authoritarian Islamic political influence within Pakistan's institutions and society -  who then famously didn't care a jot of Israel selling him weapons or helping train the Rambo 3 "freedom fighters" in tribal Pakistani areas to then go forth to fight the soviets in Afghanistan.

    The more you learn the less you know you know.


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