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  1. 2 minutes ago, FallingAwake said:

    Anyway, it's going to be a fascinating couple of years. We're essentially going to have three groups whether we like it or not:

    (1) The "fully vaccinated" who keep up with their xth booster,

    (2) The "two shots and I'm done" group. If scientists and politicians are serious about science, they should not be considered unvaccinated, because what happens to these people will be of particular scientific interest.

    (3) The non-vaccinated, i.e. people who have never received a coronavirus vaccine.

    The trials that (1) and (2) are currently participating in (in lieu of actual clinical trials) will continue to produce data for us to determine whether the current crop of vaccines were good or not, in a wider sense and longer sense.

    I'd imagine this kind of science would be important to people who plan to keep getting their boosters every 5-6 months.

    Will it turn out to be a Clint Eastwood scenario, where 5 boosters don't effect you, but say, the sixth paralyses you for life? 😮



    Group 2 will be classed as "unvaccinated."

  2. 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

    BJ on Sky News just now.....

    "Two jabs give fantastic protection against hospitalisation but they don't stop transmission of the disease, the booster jab stops transmission so go and get your booster jab now."

    Is that correct or did he make it up?

    Stalin always know better than FDA panel.

    FDA Panel Voted 16–2 To Deny Authorization of Pfizer’s COVID Vaccine “Booster” Shot to the General Public

  3. 4 minutes ago, anonguest said:

    Not quite same thing as deaths. Nor does it refer to the UK. Maybe it wasn't you. But I thought I read here, in passing, some mention of cardiac related deaths as part of the discussion of the apparent rise in all causes deaths here in the UK.

    It was just a quick find of things I have already mentioned, so here's one about deaths from Sept.

    Thousands more people than usual are dying ... but it’s not from Covid

    Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that during that period there were 2,103 extra death registrations with ischemic heart disease, 1,552 with heart failure, as well as an extra 760 deaths with cerebrovascular diseases such as stroke and aneurysm and 3,915 with other circulatory diseases.

    Acute and chronic respiratory infections were also up with 3,416 more mentions on death certificates than expected since the start of July, while there have been 1,234 extra urinary system disease deaths, 324 with cirrhosis and liver disease and 1,905 with diabetes.

  4. 8 minutes ago, anonguest said:

    Someone here recently said that there had been a 'tick up' in cardiac related deaths being recorded here?  Can they provide an official data source link please (e.g. ONS, PHE, etc) to back that up?

    I mentioned this 2 months ago regarding Israel who use generally the same.

    25% increase in Cardiac arrests & Heart attacks (16-29).
    83.6% increase in Heart attacks (Women 20-29).



    Mice Myocarditis study, August 2021: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927

    Intra Venous mRNA injection induced grossly visible pathology in the heart of 38.5%

    Intra Muscular mRNA injection induced mild myocardial congestion and Edema.

    The monitoring lasted 14 days.


    In Australia they are going to put unvaccinated people into camps. Once you are told by the authorities that we "didn't make it" with our struggle against "C19" they will eventually be coming for you. Future pandemics / booster shots, should you decide not to do the right thing for the greater good.

    If you have myocarditis, whatever you think the cause is, you will not be able to fight back when they come for you.

  5. 5 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

    Comment: "Most people know why care workers are leaving - they are choosing not to be jabbed in order to keep their jobs. This rule should never have been forced through. No one should have to be jabbed. It doesn't even stop anyone passing it on."

    In the fog of war people forget about things that would otherwise be obvious. Where is the government campaign to recruit people who are vaccinated to be carers? (even if the above quote were not the main cause). If there is one we've not heard of it? especially given the prediction of a winter of chaos the government is now catching up with me on from March 2021.

    Is it that they are more confident in appearing happy to have more deaths over winter and locking you down?

  6. 1 minute ago, scottbeard said:

    Vaccine passports for awbryray activities aren’t a sweet spot of anything.  They are a jackboot stamping on the throat of human freedoms!

    Why should young people need to prove that they are vaccinated against something that doesn’t harm them in order to mix with other young people? Unacceptable. 

    Just now, GeneCernan said:

    Spot on. 

    You express similar views as most vaccinated people I know. Once a vaccine passport is implemented for 3 weeks just to flatten the curve (joke), this doesn't mean that a 3rd, 4th etc. jab won't also be part of this simply because that many more jabs won't be needed as the pandemic is dealt with. 3rd, 4th etc. jabs will also be part of this because you have then got yourself into a system where you no longer have any choice. Not that this isn't obvious to you anyway.

     Getting a 3rd is now being presented as a condition of your freedom also; Get vaccine booster jab now to avoid return of Christmas restrictions, warns Sajid Javid

    I figure that what is really going on will be obvious to most people by Spring / Summer 2022. If people haven't woken up by then, they might never. This is one argument as to why things will get intense this winter due to the window of opportunity.


    2 hours ago, FallingAwake said:


    Your 5 month bible prophecy Covid vaccine booster wait could be cut to five months

  7. 14 minutes ago, anonguest said:

    IF we apply the same logic then letting cr*p car drivers die from their car crash injuries would be a benefit to them too presumably? Since they wouldn't have to pay high insurance costs subsequently!

    If the car manufacturer isn't liable for any safety issues, or protection effectiveness in such circumstance of a crash, this would more likely be the case. If you die, it's on you, regardless of what extent it truly is between you or the car.

    Blaming other people who didn't get a car would be the next logical step.

    I said car I think I meant vaccine. Sorry.


  8. 36 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    Have to agree with BB here. If you refuse the vax or don't mask up then the NHS should have a right to refuse you treatment if you catch Covid. 

    If no Covid treatment for people not vaccinated for Covid is part of your terms, how about we put on the table that you don't give respiratory suppressing drug Midazolam to anyone with respiratory disease? Vaxxed or unvaxxed?

  9. 52 minutes ago, Will! said:

    We can’t refuse to treat them if they refuse vaccination and become ill with Covid.

    If a person is admitted with a broken bone, or a child is admitted from ingesting something they shouldn't have but both test positive for PCR19 (or perhaps just aren't tested), would this mean they would just get treated for broken bone / poisoning?

    More grey area; Similarly if a person has Pneumonia, would this mean they are less likely to be immediately sedated and put onto a ventilator?


    19 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

    Why not, as long as it has been well publicised. 

    As long as the contract is acceptable.

    15 minutes ago, Will! said:

    That would be coercion.

    Could use a contract form.

  10. 1 hour ago, vadst43 said:

    The mrna shots seemed made to order. There was with the OAZ some show of development (including an Indian man paralyzed with AFAIK no recompense).

    The rapidity, carelesness of roll-out and waiving of liability seem protest-worthy

    Remember when they stopped AZ completely back in April?; AstraZeneca vaccine: Denmark stops rollout completely

    She's the one who ignored the CDC panel; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html


    20 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

    Until it affects the bottom line, then it will be quietly dropped.

    14 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

    Yep, BJ would recoil from that straight away, he just wants to be elected.

    Sorry to disagree, as much as I agree with much else that you say, but if you think these are actually concerns for them then I don't think you are getting what this is really about and where they want this to go. The 6 month act has been extended without a proper vote and Boris and co aren't exactly looking too ruffled by that development of "democracy."

  11. 7 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

    I haven't had any of those, they weren't around when I was a kid, we went to measles and mumps parties and got natural immunity. I did have a tetanus shot once but have never bothered with boosters. Polio and smallpox vaccinations are good for life, I think.

    The reason people say this is because everyone else says it but Registrar General's report from 1838 to 1882 shows quite the opposite.

    47 minutes ago, FallingAwake said:

    Anyway, I trust the news to be completely impartial 🤣


    Brawndo - the therst mutliator!

    32 minutes ago, anonguest said:

    That sort of thing stopped very early on.  They stopped routinely mentioning how 80% of people would have no real meaningful illness, etc....


  12. 1 hour ago, FallingAwake said:

    So how does this happen?

    Between Weeks 37 and 40 of 2021, out of every 100,000 people, a greater proportion of vaccinated people are getting covid than unvaccinated, in ALL of the 30+ age categories! (Remember, these are "per 100,000" figures.)

    Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf


    Charts 4a and b don't seem to have a category for people who died with a positive specimen less than 14 days of having a second dose. Only with a positive specimen equal to or after 14 days post second dose.

    Aside from that, people who had a second dose equal to or more than 14 days before a positive specimen died way more than either category for the 1st dose, which supposedly doesn't give you as much protection as not "fully vaccinated". Apart from under 18s, but many of them are only given 1 dose.




  13. 13 minutes ago, anonguest said:

    For me, and the rest of the family, the Covid 'scare' ended by late March 2020 - by when it was clear that this thing was far removed from being a deadly SARS like disease.  I ceased to give much notice to the endless doom porn in the media from that point on.

    Really? as early as March 2020?

    March 2020 I thought: "Oh ****** not these c*nts again"

  14. 2 hours ago, Bluestone59 said:

    Though I'm no fan of Dr Vernon Coleman he has a point when he says surgeries and hospitals are potentially highly dangerous locales. Stay away if possible.

    Last time I was at my GP (a long time ago) I noticed they had a touch screen for patients with finger marks on the screen from previous users. All that was missing was a bowl of pub-style Bombay mix finger food beside it. Hardly sticking to form with the previous Swine flu pack of lies. In this clip someone else presses buttons for you.

  15. 1 hour ago, FallingAwake said:

    Vaccine take-up among 12- to 15-year-olds below 10% in third of English local authorities

    Take-up of a first dose of Covid-19 vaccine among young teenagers is below 10% in just over a third of the main local authorities in England, latest figures show.


    Dr. Hilary is already getting in blaming them for the coming higher than last winter's deaths this winter, as well everyone who doesn't take experimental genetic engineering injections under trial until 2023 with undisclosed proprietary ingredients and couldn't get approved under normal circumstances.

  16. On 17/09/2021 at 16:49, The Spaniard said:

    There appears to be a much larger Facebook thread from WXYZ TV who likewise asked for anecdotes about the unjabbed and instead have been inundated with 182,000+ comments (and counting) about adverse reactions to the jab.


    Now at 255,000

  17. 2 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

    Personally, I would consider a species that needs an annual per capita vaccination to survive as unviable, what a mess.

    Correct, but they want to vaccinate the entire population and give ongoing booster shots linked to a digital Vaccine ID passport system just to find out.


    .....and if the vaccine doesn't work, they want to give a vaccine for it.

    Vaccine-derived polio spreads in Africa after defeat of wild virus

    "health workers need to vaccinate more than 90% of children in their efforts to eradicate the paralytic disease."

  18. Get your second J&J dose ASAP say health experts after FDA advisory committee recommended approval of booster: Protection fell from 88% to just 3% in six months, study finds


    4 minutes ago, vadst43 said:

    I'm not surprised, Germany was psychically filleted post-war. The openness encouraged in schools is to fish out unwelcome opinion. Bribed by material success, heading to a spiritual abyss

    Things are going to get worse for much of the world. It seems that this has to happen.

  19. Saurashtra’s Avi Barot passes away at 29

    "Saurashtra wicketkeeper-batsman Avi Barot, also a former India U-19 captain, died on Friday after suffering a cardiac arrest. He was 29...............He was down with Covid (last year), and got vaccinated. This comes as a huge shock for all of us,” Shah added."


    Fully vaccinated Florida father, 58 - whose family said he had NO pre-existing conditions - dies of COVID-19 after spending a month in the hospital

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