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1 minute ago, MARTINX9 said:
My elderly mum in her 80s has had no reactions at all to her 3 jabs - although I would note she has had a minor heart condition diagnosed in the summer which she didn't have before?!
So other than the "minor heart condition" she's all good? 👀
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On the subject of "informed consent", if countries are going to remove this and just require you to be jabbed, then immunity from prosecution should also be removed from the vaccine companies.
If someone is harmed by a vaccine that is forced upon them, then Pfizer should be forced to pay compensation. It's only fair.
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7 minutes ago, gruffydd said:
Sadly, the authorities... whoever they may be. Junk science, sadly - and a lack of honesty.
So the people who are triple vaccinated and believe they are immune... were they giving informed consent, or consent based on ignorance?
It's worth taking notes here.
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10 minutes ago, gruffydd said:
No doubt some of the confusion comes from pre-Delta days... I still meet triple vaccinated people who think they are immune. It really is saddening.
Question for you.
Where are these triple vaccinated getting this notion of immunity from?
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So...
EU: Let's have a conversation about mandatary vaccinations.
Germany: OK. Let's do it!
EU: Uhh... I said, "conversation"?
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I have no problem with people choosing to want to be vaccinated, or get a booster.
But for those who believe in mandatory vaccinations and "freedom passes"... good luck explaining to your children why you allowed the State to take control of their bodies.
You will have brought their enslavement for a little of your own safety.
Give yourself a slow clap.
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Depends on what value you place on bodily autonomy.
Time to consider mandatory jabs, says EU chief
EU countries should discuss forced vaccinations to combat the Omicron variant, says Ursula von der Leyen.
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And there, in a nutshell, is my reason for voting to leave the EU:
Speaking during a news conference, the European Commission chief suggested that member states need mandates to help prevent the spread of cases and a further spike in infections due to the emergence of new variants, such as the omicron strain.
"I think it is understandable and appropriate to lead this discussion now, how we can encourage and potentially think about mandatory vaccination within the European Union," von der Leyen stated, adding that fighting the pandemic requires a "common approach" across the bloc.
Merkel, EU Chief Call For Vaccine Mandates As South Africa Sees Cases Double In A Day
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/eu-chief-insists-we-must-discuss-vaccine-mandate-omicron-confirmed-norway-south-koreaSorry, but if the EU can't even defend basic bodily autonomy, then the Treaty ain't worth the paper it was written on.
It was always about more than just money. Now watch as the EU countries fall under vaccine mandates.
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Are they going to get super extra hyper vigilant then?
I've set my alarm for a wake-up call when rates are at 5%. I expect my ancestors to find the clock somewhere in the rubble.
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3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:
Why are they picking on the elderly?
I suppose they're considered to be more at risk. Either way, I'm utterly opposed to any kind of mandate. The Greek government are obviously so keen to help the elderly, they're prepared to financially cripple them.
Because it's all about a virus, and not about control.
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5 minutes ago, Pmax2020 said:
Who says we need to take it every 3 months?
Sajid Jabid?
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10 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:
Yes vaccination lowers transmission. What an insight. Amazing. Glad you finally accept it. Here’s a cookie. 🍪
Thank you. Just ignore the "... but not for long" part, which was the part you said was misinformation.
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42 minutes ago, Pmax2020 said:
What’s wrong with a vaccination only being scientifically proven to reduce transmission for 12 weeks?
Its it the case that we anticipate covid will ultimately mutate to a less fatal form in line with ‘normal’ flu? If so, why object to vaccines that stifle its spread, even if it’s in short bursts?
Nothing particularly wrong with that.
Anyway, it's not really me you need to convince. It's the millions of people who were told they had a safe and effective vaccine, without much in the way of nuance... and who now need to be convinced to take it every 3 months.
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1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said:
When I was a child the pharmaceutical companies, and governments, were ploughing huge amounts of money into eliminating the coronaviruses circulating at the time. They gave up and threw their advertising budgets into Lemsip, Night Nurse, Vicks et al.
If people were healthy, the pharmaceutical companies would be out of business.
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2 minutes ago, slawek said:
The protection wanes but it is not a dramatic fall, after 6 months is maybe 20-30% lower than initially.
OK, so why are the government intent on boosting people every 3 months?
2 minutes ago, slawek said:As for your question.
1) It is not true that vaccinated can't spread the virus. They can get infected as vaccines don't provide 100% protections.
2) Overall they are spreading the virus less than unvaccinated just because they get infected significantly less often.
3) If they get infected they are spreading the virus in a similar way as infected unvaccinated 3 months after the vaccination based on the study.
Fair points. You have to have the virus to be able to transmit it.
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6 minutes ago, henry the king said:
We'll see I guess, its pointless going over the same shit. If it ends up that Omicron is no big deal in the UK, as I don't think it will be, then I want you to have the guts to come here and admit I was right.
If Omicron ends up dominant in December/January/February or something in the UK and causes a significant wave of hospitalisations (like 15k+ in hospital as in other big waves) then I will admit I was wrong.
But I personally think it won't out-compete Delta. And even if it does the vaccines/prior infection will still work and stop almost all serious disease in the Uk anyway.
Either way, Omicron has served its / a purpose. People are lining up to get their now 3-monthly shots. Presumably this has all been scientifically tested on a large scale, and 4 shots of Spike protein a year is perfectly safe and healthy, right?
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Just now, slawek said:
All depends what you mean by transmission and whether other people would mean the same as you.
I guess most people hearing "vaccine don't reduce the risk of transmission" would assume that you claim that vaccines are useless.
Well that's the problem. People assuming.
Just now, slawek said:The true is the article and the study mean by this that the risk of passing a virus from an infected person to an unvaccinated person is independent whether the infected person was vaccinated or not after some time. That doesn't mean, and the study shows this, that if you are vaccinated then you are much less likely to get infected.
Do you agree that vaccines reduce spread of the virus by protecting people against getting infected?
Yes, although clearly these things wane over time.
Also this is clearly a concern of the government, since they've reduced boosters from 6 months to 3 months.
There is a danger that people who are vaccinated think they can't spread the virus. That is the misinformation, wouldn't you agree?
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Watch the cost of peppercorn go through the roof.
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Anyway...
@pig @MonsieurCopperCrutch @slawek
COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
"The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot."
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"Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus."
That's basically what I said. Protection from transmission lasts about 12 weeks.
Apology accepted.
If you think it's misinformation, take it up with Nature magazine.
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So, genuine question to everyone:
Why THREE months?
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17 minutes ago, pig said:
See whats going on there ? Its never about honestly debating the science its always about establishing the preferred outcome, ignoring/evading science for as long as possible and parroting a rhetorical stance.
I agree, but what can we actually do about Johnson, Whitty, Javid etc?
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1 minute ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:
It will be one a month by then for some, the dodecavaxxed will look down on all!
Yes. I actually had to use this Wikipedia entry for reference.
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4 minutes ago, Arpeggio said:
Did someone already mention on here they are lowering the minimum booster interval to 3 months?
So in 2022 we may actually end up seeing the sextuple vaccinated huff and puff against the quintuple vaccinated, who will think themselves superior to the quadruple vaccinated, who will sneer at the mere triple vaccinated, who will blame the single and unvaccinated for all their troubles.
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1 hour ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:
I’m sure you’ll be along shortly to provide a citation for your facts but let’s roll with your misinformation. I’m very happy to see you confirm that being vaccinated reduces transmission. 🤟 Glad we cleared that one up. 👍
I refer you to the answer I gave an hour ago.
Coronavirus - potential Black Swan?
in House prices and the economy
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Never waste a good variant, eh.