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  1. 1 hour ago, Ah-so said:

    I do not live in a very smart area and the local school are filled with children from all over the world - the 2-form primary school near my house that doubles as a polling booth, has children from over 50 nations. Pupil premium is very high and a very small number are from a "white British" background. Typical London!

    But I am aware of what the school's issues are - language is one in particular - but the under-performing pupils are actually from the white British group, including in...wait for it...English language. "White British" in this context would sometimes less politely be referred to as "chavs".

    However, you point out in your subsequent post that crime data shows a lot of East European involvement, and if that is what it shows, then it is hard to argue with. However, is the data being skewed by small criminal gangs? Romanian gypsies may run pick-pocket and begging gangs for example, but the only stuff I could find on this is in the Express and Mail, so more sensational than data-led.

    So I did my own research.

    This link shows that at the end of 2016, there were 917 Poles in British prisons, out of a population of 86,000, so approximately 1%. There were 911,000 Poles in the UK, so per head of population are less likely to be in prison than the wider population. There were 654 Romanians in prison, out of a recorded population of 101,000, so about 6 times more likely to be in prison than a Pole.

    12 minutes ago, TheGreatestFool said:

    Not sure about that. If anything, the latest trend has been for more white immigration from Eastern Europe. The big non-white immigration waves happened in the post-war years. This whole discussion seems to be focusing on race and ignoring class. The latter is a far more important factor that determines outcomes such as educational attainment and levels of integration, and it cuts across racial lines.


  2. 20 minutes ago, winkie said:

    Imo this is nothing to do with an individuals place of birth......there are dysfunctional and desperate people from all places, born to all types of parents, lack of education and life opportunities, including those born and bred...the world is full of people who do what they must to survive and improve on their lot, they will travel where they can to get what they can, if they can...... Britain is a very tolerant place to be and has in the past been very generous to all people.....human nature is that people will congregate amoungst people they see as similar to themselves, some will integrate well others will not....when inequality is growing, growing numbers from all places are in competition for the same resources......when our leaders keep saying there is no money left in the pot, more people will feel they will have to fight harder for the same needs, less social mobility, opportunities to improve on life chances......who do they blame? the people or the system that orchestrated it?;)


  3. 3 hours ago, spyguy said:

    Lets use a recent example - Greenfell house.

    How many uk nationals were recorded living there?

    Why did it have so many people from all tound the eorld living in social housing in one of the worlds most expensive boroughs?

    Its benefit sinks - banks, roma, bangladeshi.

    Maybe they fulfilled the conditions better than natives.

    Maybe natives did not apply because they did not want to get stigmatised.

    (Natives mostly look down on Council tenants. Immigrants do not.)

    Maybe there is the system's policy to dilute the population. (I do believe that that is the case.)

    Maybe it is the combination of all above 3.


    Regardless, many people in Greenfell tower were working and studying. (If we can trust the media at least in that detail).

    Anyhow, huge majority of those "banks, roma, bangladeshi" were surely not spending their money on drugs, alcohol and drunken fights in clubs and pubs.

    They were not peeing on war memorials as the natives often do.

    They do not create the nuisance of themselves on stag nights (and on stag flights) as natives do.

    If someone is nice, pleasant and useful to the society I do not care about their nationality/country of origin.


    Anyway, how many natives are on benefits ?

    What skills do those unemployed natives have ?

    It is often peddled that immigrants dilute salaries and take jobs from unemployed natives.

    Partly might be true, but then again from my own experience it is only natives who accept to go to teach English in Dubai as qualified teachers for measly £1,500 per month just in order to pretend/boast to their mates that they are in - Dubai enjoying high level international lifestyle.

    It is UK Parliament who voted a few years ago to reduce the employment rights to the minimum (actually they are non-existent).

    It was NOT Europe or immigrants who voted for that and "other measures to ensure that the workforce is flexible".

    It was NOT Europe or immigrants who voted for "Green belt" and for criminal/insane housing density in London ( they build on roundabouts and next to train platforms) and other places.


    Also, the UK system blacklists people (both natives and immigrants) who make even the slightest complaint against the school (where their child is the pupil) , or their employer, or any other public body.

    Considering that they created a huge number of blacklisted workforce, the system has to import immigration.

    That way, they get fresh new debt slaves + they also create friction and division within the society hence no united voice against the system's corruption.

    Kill 2 flies with one hit.

    Please do not fog your vision (of the hell we are in) with animosity against immigrants.





  4. 2 hours ago, Wayward said:

    Do you think this website would exist if net immigration had been zero over last ten or fifteen years...? I think not.

    System always creates the problem and then offers you the solution.

    The system knows that different groups will not speak with the same voice.

    Hence, the system dilutes the native population with immigration thus creating the friction in order to control everyone more easily.

    Hence Brexit, etc.

    Then again, the system and its mates got (for peanuts) everything what was good (natural resources, etc.)  from those countries.

    Whatever they could not get, they conspired to destroy and destabilise.

    As the consequence of all the above, there is friction and animosity between natives and immigrants.

    (That scenario is happening also in Europe and other countries.)

    It is super rich against middle classes (if any was left) and poor people.

    Instead of squabbling, we should unite against super rich who got rich by destroying all of us (from employment rights to wages, etc.)


    With or without immigration, the vested interests (around the world including the UK) have decided to inflate the house prices (and invent on daily basis other excuses to suck out wealth from the population)  in order for population to become obedient debt slaves together with their children and grandchildren regardless of their country of origin. 

    As we all know, the insane house prices are caused by cheap credit available on liar loan applications.

    House prices been inflated by various governments and banksters who proclaimed that it is in the national interest to inflate house prices.

    System plays divide and rule all the time in order to control their debt slaves.

    Please do not fall for it.


  5. 6 hours ago, spyguy said:

    Ah but bear in mind that the people in London have changed a lot of the last 20 years.

    Youve gone from mainly Brits moving their to work, to, lets be honest, 3rd worlders going their to live on benefits.

    The increase in London's population has come at great expense to the UK tax payer. I expect this to reverse, rapidly.

    "3rd worlders going their to live on benefits" or should it be "3rd worlders going there to live on benefits" ?

    Where did you get these figures from?

    Anyhow, the large majority of immigrants surely know the difference between "their" and "there" or otherwise they would not have been able to find their way to the UK

    from "over there"... somewhere in the 3rd world.

    About benefits...

    Let's start with banksters who have been given licence to invent the new money and guaranteed bailouts (Quantitative Easing,Special Liquidity scheme,Funding for lending,..) by the corrupt Governments and parties,

    Then all corrupt /incompetent Councils, Governments and all other public service officials/managers and their managers/chief executives,

    Then building firms (Government advertises their new builds, finds them the house buyer, guarantees that the  house buyer's liar loan will be repaid, and other numerous illegal schemes

    to prop up vested interests in the building and banking industry),

    BTLeters whose liar loans on ridiculously low interest rates (.and ridiculously small down payments were approved and guaranteed by the UK taxpayer (regardless of their immigration status)

    (Even an idiotic bankster or a politician would not lend their own money under such ridiculous terms, but they would gladly give out our monies)

    Big companies and rich people not paying UK taxes,..

    All the above are benefits and they are HUGE benefits.

    (Not to mention that all the above corrupt officials have an absolute immunity from prosecution. That is the great benefit.)

    Surely, the UK's dire economic (and other) problems and the financial crisis did not happen because  benefits were paid to the UK unemployed or "3rd worlders" or Europeans.

    Also, the UK's above problems cannot be blamed on Europe (even though they are also governed by corrupt officials and banksters).

    Daily mail is the great read.

    Every day you will find at least 2 instances that confirm the above facts about the UK system.

    Bearing in mind that the Tories are in power and if the Daily Mail says that we live in the system full of corruption, idiocracy and fraud, then I rest my case.

    "Positive money" have an excellent website. 

    "3rd worlders" have nothing to do with all the above and neither the Europeans.

    Please stop blaming immigrants for the terrible mess created by the natives.

  6. The system ALWAYS adds an insult to injury.

    Here is the email which I just received from Santander:


    Changes to your 1|2|3 Current Account

    Dear Mr Debbiebegood,

    We’d like to remind you about the changes to your 1|2|3 Current Account. 

    From 1 November 2016, the 1|2|3 Current Account will pay 1.50% AER / 1.49% monthly gross (variable) on balances up to £20,000, including on balances below £1,000. No interest is earned on balances above £20,000.

    From 9 January 2017, the Arranged Overdraft Usage Fee will change to reflect the amount of Arranged Overdraft you use. This means, if you use an Arranged Overdraft of £2,000 or more, you’ll pay more in fees. If you use an Arranged Overdraft of less than £2,000, the fee will remain the same.


    It's important to consider if the 1|2|3 Current Account is still right for you as the changes could mean that you earn less in interest each month, or pay more for using an overdraft of £2,000 or more. 


    There are no changes to your monthly account fee, the cashback on eligible Direct Debits or access to preferential 1|2|3 World offers.

    For more information, please refer to the account changes section of our website.

    Thank you for banking with Santander.

    Yours sincerely


    Matt Hall 

    Director of Banking and Unsecured Credit

  7. Yep, back when I was a filthy student you got into university on academic merit and if you got your grades and landed a place, the government paid for everything (fees plus a decent grant .. plus you could even sign on over the summer break). If you graduated, you had immediate access to a ream of well paid careers. Even if you didn't do a degree, it was still possible to get a pretty good job off the back of A levels and do part-time further education if you wanted, or work your way up.

    Since those days, the Tories brought in the concept of making people pay which Labour continued with and then Labour decided to push more and more people into higher level eductation even just to do 'Mickey Mouse' courses with no real career value. The Tories of course continued with that too.

    The end result is that a degree has been devalued to the point where it is hardly worth more than an old A level and you have to pay through the nose to get it. When you do get it, you can't expect to earn anything like what the graduates of old could and you now have a ton of debt against you from day one of your working life which can't be written off. But ... if you don't have a degree, a lot of career paths are now closed off to you because a (now devalued) degree has replaced A levels.


    Basically, only the children of the rich can now afford to get a degree (risk/reward makes it a very dodgy prospect for the poor) and without one you have fupp all chance of getting any sort of decent job. It's a complete disgrace.

    But hey, the general public are so dumb that they've gone along with the process of destroying higher education for the last 2-3 decades.

  8. I want my, I want my HPC

    Now look at them yo-yo's, that's the way you do it

    You keep the rates low on the MPC

    That ain't working, that's the way you do it

    Money for nothing and the work's guilt-free

    Now that ain't working, that's the way you do it

    Let me tell you them guys ain't dumb

    Index-linked pension and a six figure salary

    Never get a blister on their thumb

    We've got to work to save a deposit

    Another ten years might get the ten percent we need

    We've got to share or live with our parents

    We don't wanna be doing this at 40

    The little banker with the pinstripe and the Rolex

    Yeah buddy, that's his own hair

    That little banker got a taxpayer bailout

    That little banker he's a millionaire

    We've got to work to save a deposit

    Inheritance won't solve the housing Ponzi

    We've got to share or live with our parents

    High house prices are destroying the economy

    I should have learned to play at banking

    I should have learned to roll the dice

    Look at that MP, they got it, flipping second homes all the time

    When can we have one?

    And he's up there, what's that? Printing press noises?

    Banging on the QE like a chimpanzee

    Oh, that ain't working, that's the way you do it

    Get your money for nothing and the work's guilt-free

    We've got to work to save a deposit

    What's the point of working in this country?

    We've got to share or live with our parents

    High house prices are destroying the economy

    Now that ain't working, that's the way you do it

    You keep the rates low on the MPC

    That ain't working, that's the way you do it

    Money for nothing and the work's guilt-free

    Money for nothing and work guilt-free

    Get your money for nothing, and the work's guilt-free

    Money for nothing, work guilt-free

    That ain't working


    I want my, I want my, I want my HPC



    There go Dire Straits

  9. Hmm a snippet from one of my songs seems appropriate here:

    Every day's an endless stream

    Of debt demands and bills it seems

    For years we spent more than we planned

    The banker said he'd lend a hand

    For comfort and prosperity

    Release the mortgage equity

    Home foreclosed

    We've lost the lot

    Home foreclosed

    Home, where my MEWing bled me

    Home, where I blew my equity

    Home, where my debt lies waiting

    Silently for me

    I wish I was'nt homeward bound

  10. As Crashmonitor correctly pointed out, the private sector appears to be maxed out even at a give-away rates. The so called economist probably struggles with some basics and maths... And the government has mortgaged the future of grandchildren already. So anything you expect to happen in the future has already happened.

    I would love to be proven wrong, but this looks like the permanent state of infinite debt.

    It is all about sucking all the wealth from us and the state and turning all of us into slaves. All this has nothing to do with business sense,reasonable yields,etc.It costs VI's nothing because they invent the money on the computer.

    When it becomes too boring for them, they will cause a new war.

  11. Now, you think there is no limit to debt people can/will take?

    Debt can go to infinity. They can saddle your grandgrand children long into the future with it.That is how they will maintain slavery long after people forgot about capitalism,comunism,socialism,...

    They have the means to do it-powerful computers to keep track of debt and willing sheeple.

    As one economist put it (when asked a few years agi for how long will this crap go on): "As long as the electricity is supplied to the computer".

  12. This time IS different. VI's and government (which they bought cheaply) are pushing the same types of liar loans and propaganda as before 2007,but now computers are much more powerful,so they can more easily (endlesly) maintain the web of debt+ALL the world criminals and crooks launder their money through London.

    Never before in human history was a such transfer of wealth to the rich.They have the above tools for it, and sheeple celebrate their new debt.I bet that even the rich never anticipated that it will go so smoothly.

  13. Honestly guys, I am surprised by you guys in this thread

    Count, Ghostly, Bear Monger, Nickos,

    Why are you complaining about the tube drivers?

    Why are you enjoying the idea that automation will shut out these guys?

    Why are we complaining here about labour clout? The power of unions?

    This is divide and conquer in action. When you think in this elite inseminated terminology - that tube drivers are somehow lazier than other jobs - you are basically capitulating to the propaganda machine that is currently steam rolling over labour rights in the UK. Somehow you are okay with it. Why?

    Take hold of your mind. These people are fighting for their livelihoods and to respond to that laughing that they will be automated away is a delightful example of turning the paupers against the paupers if there ever was one.

    I say this as a reality check for this forum because the kind of logic behind 'How dare people have the audacity to want to be able to afford to live where they work (London)' is a Daily Mail kind of viral infection that shuts out rational thought. In the same vein as 'kids these days' or 'Britain is sick, grumble grumble'.

  14. If market forces can't provide an economy where workers can buy themselves the basics of life - food and shelter - then something is very wrong. Capitalism and markets are supposed to encourage progress and raise living standards, not concentrate wealth and power into the hands of the lucky few.

    In a 'market' where the cost of shelter outpaces wages for as long as it has, something has to give. Either wage rises (which would simultaneously devalue people's savings and cause even more inflation) or deflation in housing. If the future is tube drivers on 50k paying 2.5k a month to rent a room while bedsits go for 1 million a time, then there's not much point in being a tube driver, is there.

    These wage demands are perfectly sensible - market forces in action.

    Sitting back and accepting the economic orthodoxy as if it were the dictates of God strikes me as idiotic when its those same structures that are slowly but surely turning me into a serf. The tube drivers and I have something in common there. We can't be expected to quietly acquiesce to our own impoverishment, no matter what the 'market' in wages or in housing says.


    One of the greatest posts I ever saw on this forum.

  15. Well, I don't know what to say. If you say that cost of labour, generally speaking, is determined by thieves rather than market forces...sounds like militant Marxism rather than observation of what's happening in reality. Second, If wealth was generated by labour only, you would be still living in dark ages. Third, "fair" is a tricky word... very subjective and thus there it has nothing to do with being "moral" or "just". Average worked would get 1.5-2x his salary if the state (the very guardian of workers needs according to socialists!) did not tax his contribution, ever thought about it? You are correct, but the principal problem is not the employer. Indeed, you have had all those theft examples and it can all be summarised as state organised Ponzi scheme, the very organisation that taxes you naked in the fist place. Well, good luck with your theories.. all I hope you do see the endgame of those is North Korea or Cuba.

    According to you, then we lived in militant Marxism until some 15years ago: difference between workers and CEO manager pay is today 300x, whilst it used to be 20x.

    Richest in society got exponentially much richer today then what they used to be.They actually became pharaophs in terms of their political and financial power.

    Technology continued advancing, whilst living standards of ordinary people are on downward slide.

    Marxism and Socialism are overused names for policies and regimes that have nothing to do with it. They are used as boogy man to scare the masses to opt for slavery instead.

    Likewise, these new regimes (including U.K) have less and less connection with market economy, democracy and capitalism. This is a new form-CRAPItalism that incorporates all the worst aspects of previous systems.

  16. While I am sympathetic to the points you raise, do you actually understand how economics work, i.e. the basic demand-supply? Remuneration for labour being clearly subject to the same basic equation. Why do footballers, actresses and other high flyers command the wages they get and why cleaning ladies can't? This just to make the point at the extremes. And then "the theft from people" - what examples do you have in mind specifically? All kinda stuff ... And do you even realise that w/o state taxation on labour your salary would be 50% higher or so?

    Renumeration for labour is worked out by thieves in power and not by market forces.

    Wealth is generated by labour, but the fruits of that wealth are not distributed fairly.

    Average worker generates double of what he/she gets in net salary.

    In UK, economics is not at work-it is theft and organised crime against ordinary workers which is at work.

    We had hyperinflation for decades already due to house prices which also sucked pensions, NHS, tuition fees, etc., hence more than £7trn debt.

    PFI is also one of the ways theft is being done on a daily basis.

  17. Tube drivers start on £50k and get 40 days holiday a year. Seems quite generous for a job that is mostly automated.

    So, you would love to have their salary lower instead of your salary higher. Do you expect the tube travel card will cost less if the tube drivers' salary is resuced? Or you are just envious? Is your job partially automated with the computer somewhere in the chain? Therefore I bet that you are also getting a generous salary.

    £50k in London even for a single person is not that high.

    Instead of b***ing against one another, - people should unite to bring this slavery down and expose corruption and theft from people that runs into £trillons. But slavery is the longest lasting regime in the world, because it is based on the race to the bottom which slaves/sheeple sustain out of envy for each other.

  18. and every other job so that no one gets paid, that would create the perfect world for employers, no wages..... no customers either.

    Tube drivers wages not too high, other peoples wages are too low vis a vis house prices.


    Unfortunately, you are in minority.

    Majority is envious, so they choose an easier path to have their wage brought into line with tibe driver's wage:

    instead of demanding that their own wage rises, they want fellow workers' wages to decrease.

    That stupidity, evil and envy are ingredients needed for race to the bottom that leads to slavery. Well done sheeple!

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