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Well now look, you answered a post about the overuse of Midazolam in a way that appeared to indicate you agreed with the notion that they were being used to "throw the patients off the boat", you talked about medical personnel in the context of the Third Reich and then said that they would do what they were told and would not question orders. So far, I have seen nothing in your posts to suggest that you actually disagree with what was originally claimed, and much to suggest that you agree, so for the record, will you please state plainly and simply whether you think the rise in the use of Midazolam was due to anything other than the increase in the number of patients who needed mechanical ventilation.

In what sense is nuclear "a bit sketchy"? It's a mature technology and since we're not in an active earthquake zone, I see no reason not to use it. Personally, I think the biggest mistake over the last 20 years was the focus on renewables, if instead we'd invested in nuclear power we could now be generating maybe 90% of our power in a carbon-neutral way.

Ah, in that specific respect I see that those were the words of another poster, albeit with a similar name, posting style and world-view, so in that respect I apologize, you did however reply in effect defending him, so the mistake was understandable. There's a world of difference between policies and guidelines, which are there for the benefit and safety of the patient, and instructions and practices that amount to murder. See above, but what are you commenting on then. Injecting people with drugs with the intent to end their lives is deliberate killing and is therefore murder. "Told what to do and not question orders" when they would clearly have known the consequences of their actions is sufficient to establish that you believe that doctors were doing that.

"Throw their patients off the boat", "do what they're told and not question orders", the original post about the spike in the use of Midazolam and morphine. For the avoidance of doubt, the administration of the two drugs with the intent to end the patient's life is murder, any doctor would know that, in fact any first year medical student would know that, you apparently don't.

I'm having too much fun to do that. What I find particularly amusing is that he's accusing doctors of murdering vast numbers of patients without realizing that he's doing it.

"Told what to do and not question orders" when those orders involve murdering patients certainly "implies" (your word) behaviour similar to SS prison guards.

You've earned it. Because ONS have done the work already? Here:

It's implicit in the fact that ASMR's are at a low level, or do you not know what an ASMR is? You know, if you were anywhere near as clever as you seem to think you are, you would be able to find a way to communicate without insulting anyone who doesn't instantly agree with everything you say. So we now find ourselves in the bizarre situation whereby you're criticizing me for relying upon the ONS rather than "independent research" that doesn't exist, but at the same time you are claiming the right to assume that NHS doctors are behaving like SS prison guards.

From my link: ........there has been a significant fall in the price of lithium-ion battery storage, from £770/kWh to £180/kWh . This is plateauing, however, Spare me from people with "visions" please, 99% of the time they end up with a disaster. I don't lack vision, but I can also see the problems with where the visions go. The fact is that the low-hanging fruit in battery technology appear to have been harvested, and the costs are about as low as they will go, and even if that were to change it's doubtful that global battery production could ever come close to what is required for a 100% renewables grid.

You don't like the source, tough, the fact is the ONS agree with me that the observed excess mortality is a function of population ageing. And why would anyone be doing "independent research" to duplicate work already done by the ONS.

One small problem with your plan, people are going to want to drive their cars, so far from solving the problem it actually exacerbates it. Let's have a look at how much it would cost to move to a 100% renewables grid. This article here: Cost model – battery storage puts the cost of installing 1MWh of storage at £250,000, we're currently using ~30GW of electricity, so the to back that up for one hour would cost £7.5bn. But of course one hour's back-up is clearly inadequate, to back up one day's demand would cost £180bn, but the wind can remain still for extended periods so anything less than 10 days is extremely risky IMO, so you're looking at a cool £1.8tn for an adequate back-up system. It gets worse. Because everyone is supposed to be using electric cars and heating their homes with electricity (don't get me on to that), the demand for it is obviously going to increase dramatically, I've seen estimates that show an average of 60GWh needed by 2035, and presumably that's going to keep rising as legacy vehicles and boilers are retired, have you got a spare £5,000,000,000,000 we could borrow by any chance? Amortizing that over a 20-year life (optimistic) gives you a £250bn per year cost, and that's before you factor in the cost of generating the electricity in the first place. Even if the above was affordable (it isn't) there is the small problem that there's little prospect of sufficient batteries ever being available. To provide the back-up would require ~15,000GWh of battery capacity, the forecast global annual production of batteries meanwhile is a mere 2,000GWh by 2028, so little more than 1/10 of what we would require. And we're one medium-sized country in a world of 8 billion people, oh and don't forget all those electric cars are going to need batteries as well. No, the problem is not solved, it is a long, long way from solved, and until some magic new technology comes along it is going to remain unsolved.

Monthly mortality analysis, England and Wales: December 2022 For England, the ASMR for 2022 (948.9 deaths per 100,000 people) was statistically significantly lower than most years since our data time series started in 2001. This is except for 2019, which was significantly lower, and 2014, which was not significantly different than 2022. And if you don't like the source, tough.

What you fail to understand is that your theory rests on the assumption that all doctors are mindless robots who unthinkingly carry out whatever instructions they are given from above without protest, without that assumption your theory crumbles to dust. Your assumption is so absurd and divorced from reality, it no longer warrants serious discussion. I'm afraid you've jumped the shark mate, I have some respect for the anti-vax brigade, just a bit, but you've drifted off into full on tin foil hat territory, so the only proper response is to just laugh at you.

Yes, they work for the ONS and have come to exactly the same conclusion.

Okay, so you're clearly a nutter who thinks he's much cleverer than anyone else, and you get abusive when anyone points out that you really, really are not, so I'm not going to waste much time on you. Your position seems to be that orders have come down from above for doctors to "throw their patients off the boat" and they're all willingly gone along with this, despite the fact that even the most junior, newly qualified, doctor would instantly recognize that what they were doing was committing murder. And to top it all, by some miracle this instruction to commit mass murder has never found its way into the mainstream press. Yeah, let's think about that.......................................... Okay:

The most basic problem with renewables remains unsolved, wind/solar are intermittent sources of energy, and we have no way of storing electricity on the scale needed to cope with that. Unless some new technology comes along to solve that problem, 100% renewables remains a pipe dream.

@Bob8 nails it perfectly above, you've clearly decided that doctors and nurses across the world are engaged in a conspiracy that rivals the holocaust, yet even you must realize that sounds utterly stupid, so you're only willing to hint at it. One final point, the only way this makes any sense whatsoever is if doctors have no idea what they are doing and no understanding of the effects of the drugs they are administering. It's utterly f***ing nuts.

Have you factored in the fact that Midazolam is routinely used on patients who require mechanical ventilation and the effect on breathing is irrelevant since the machine is doing the breathing for them.

WTF are you smoking? Sure, doctors get struck off from time to time for doing things they shouldn't be doing, like having sex with their patients, or being grossly incompetent, but I'll guarantee you that none have ever been struck off in this country for refusing an order to commit mass murder. As to the rest, your posting style seems to be to spam as much s*** as possible at the forum and then get abusive at anyone who questions any of it, and as it now turns out you can't tell the difference between the SS and the NHS you really are not worth talking to.

It's a serious point, you're comparing the NHS to Nazi Germany, I'd suggest that the comparison is not entirely valid. You know they have a Union, right? Try doing that, and you'll have the entire NHS workforce out on strike the next day. And for that matter, what are the odds of some kind of order from above telling doctors to exterminate tens of thousands of their patients not making it onto the front page of the Guardian, BBC, Mirror, Times, Telegraph, and every other f***ing publication in the known universe within about 30 seconds of the order being sent out?

I really don't think that NHS management is going to machine gun their staff or send them to the Eastern front if they refuse to comply.

So you really do think that half the doctors in the NHS morphed into Harold Shipman, that's "speshial".

Page 70 of this thread. Really? Well, I've no way of knowing what you know, so I have to surmise your knowledge from the posts you make, with that in mind please allow me to make 3 points: Firstly, even if you knew that the two drugs are used in the treatment of patients who require mechanical ventilation, many if not most of the posters on here are not aware of that fact, so I am perfectly entitled to correct the misleading impression your post gives. Secondly, if you know that the two drugs are used in the treatment of patients who require mechanical ventilation, why are you claiming that the spike in their use was down to doctors "throwing their patients off the boat" when you must know that the true reason was the extraordinary demand for mechanical ventilation? Thirdly, yes, M&M is ALSO used in end of life care (ELC), for the same reason it's used in patients being placed on ventilators, to relieve pain and anxiety, but it does not follow that the spike in its use was down to far more patients being placed in ELC, especially when a far more plausible explanation exists. So, essentially, we have two competing hypotheses: the spike in Midazolam use was down to a huge increase in patients requiring mechanical ventilation, or: large numbers of doctors suddenly decided to take a s*** on the Hippocratic oath and "threw their patients off the boat". Maybe we should start a poll to decide on that one. Says the man who thinks half the doctors in the NHS suddenly morphed into Harold Shipman.

We've done this before. Midazolam and morphine are administered to patients who are being put onto mechanical ventilators, at which point any depressing effect they have on the patient's breathing is irrelevant because the machine is doing that for them. Thus, the spike in M&M usage was driven by the spike in patients who needed mechanical ventilation, and the spike in deaths was also caused by the spike in patients who needed mechanical ventilation. As ever, correlation =/= causality.

Did the Covid pass ever become anything? Was it ever enforced? Everything else is a recommendation, which you are free to ignore if you wish, and remember we really didn't know what Omicron was at the time. 400,000 confirmed cases up to the end of 2020, probably double that in reality, 8,000 confirmed deaths, your maths might be different to mine, but I make 8,000/800,000 exactly 1%. The prospect of 700,000 or more deaths in the UK was very real.