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  1. Its a theme on all the UKIP videos, a tribute to the EUSSR.
  2. You obviously dont appreciate what destruction of the economy will mean. Think its all gonna be free houses and milk and honey? Wrong, try marshall law and state dictatorship for size.
  3. And of course the effects on the general public were immense. You never hear the lefties talking about the effects on pensioners, children and "needy" who would of obviously suffered during the power blackouts and through the loss of public services. Nope, not a word about that. Thatcher did the country a great service, standing up to those who would hold the country to ransom, where other spineless politicians had spent years taking it up the ronson from union leaders.
  4. My grandfather was a butcher, he died aged 63 from hardening of the arteries, no doubt caused from all the meat and fat he consumed. Do I get a sympathy vote for that?
  5. Thats one point of view. As challenging as it must have been to break the picket lines, some miners did. Others took the view that they could hold tje country to ransom, causing major disruption to peoples lives and the economy. Those same choices cost them their livelihoods and the good welfare of their communities. I wonder if they would behave in such a selfish way given the same chances today.
  6. If they had spent less time striking, and more time mining, they might still have a job. Their productivity was dire, their working practices obstructive and their pay far too high. They well and truly screwed themselves and their communities. With hindsight, you'd hope that the most militant are ashamed for the damage they caused.
  7. Youre kidding? The battle between pro and anti Euro is now over. We are all anti Euro now. Its a great time of much pointing, laughing and saying "told you so". Enjoy !
  8. Their point is that we maintain full fiscal and monetary policy control. How those policies are employed will always be up for debate, but the fact we maintain a full spectrum of economic policy options somewhat differs us from our European chums.
  9. This is an epic article from the Telegraph regarding the Euro. The final word on the UK joining the Euro I would of thought. There's simply no way anyone could countenance such a thought from this point onwards. Euosceptics WIN ! http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100064330/margaret-thatcher-knew-the-single-currency-would-devastate-europe/#dsq-content Next week it will be 20 years since Margaret Thatcher fell. Pressure had been building on a number of fronts, but the issue which finally destroyed her was the yet-to-be-born euro. In the last weekend of October 1990, she travelled to a European summit in Rome, where Jacques Delors’ dream of European Monetary Union was high on the agenda. But while Mrs Thatcher was fighting her lone battle against the prospective single currency abroad, she was being fatally undermined at home. Geoffrey Howe, her bitterest cabinet critic, went on television to tell the interviewer Brian Walden that in principle Britain did not oppose the euro. In her Commons statement after returning home, she was forced to slap Howe down: “this government believes in the pound sterling.” Howe resigned, and days later delivered the famous speech from the back benches that set in motion a leadership contest. Today, Margaret Thatcher’s autobiography, first published in 1993, reads like a prophecy. It shows how deeply and with what extraordinary wisdom she had examined Delors’ proposals for the single currency. Her overriding objection was not ill-considered or xenophobic, as subsequent critics have repeatedly claimed. They were economic. Right back in 1990, Mrs Thatcher foresaw with painful clarity the devastation it was bound to cause. Her autobiography records how she warned John Major, her euro-friendly chancellor of the exchequer, that the single currency could not accommodate both industrial powerhouses such as Germany and smaller countries such as Greece. Germany, forecast Thatcher, would be phobic about inflation, while the euro would prove fatal to the poorer countries because it would “devastate their inefficient economies”. It is as if, all those years ago, the British prime minister possessed a crystal ball that enabled her to foresee the catastrophic events of the past year or so in Ireland, Greece and Portugal. Indeed, it is one of the tragedies of European history that the world chose not to believe her. President Mitterrand of France and Chancellor Kohl of Germany dismissed her words of caution. And when Mrs Thatcher was driven from office in 1990, a crucial voice was lost, and a new consensus started to form in Britain in favour of the euro. This consensus stretched across the entire spectrum of the British establishment. It took in Tony Blair’s New Labour and all of Paddy Ashdown’s Liberal Democrats. The CBI came out for the euro, and so did the trades unions. The Foreign Office was doctrinally pro-single currency. Leading businessmen, such as Peter Sutherland (chairman of BP and Goldman Sachs International) and the fashion-conscious Richard Branson were strongly in favour. The Financial Times, a newspaper whose judgment has been wrong on every great economic issue of the last 40 years, was another supporter. This consensus was all the more powerful because it contained Conservative grandees. The Britain in Europe campaign, featuring an ambitious young Liberal Democrat called Danny Alexander, now the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, was launched in 1999. Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine treacherously spoke alongside Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson. “The price we would pay,” announced Mandelson, “in lost investment and jobs in Britain would be incalculable.” He projected that “outside the euro, there is little we can do to protect industry against destabilising swings in the value of sterling.” Michael Heseltine spoke apocalyptically about the terrifying consequences for British competitiveness outside the euro. Chris Huhne, now a Lib Dem cabinet minister, was scathing about eurosceptics who warned that entry to the euro would cause the Irish economy to overheat – warnings that proved to be all too accurate. Irishman Niall Fitzgerald, chairman of the industrial giant Unilever, forecast British economic obliteration outside the euro. In a dark irony, it is his native country that now faces obliteration. Those who challenged this consensus were ridiculed. Even William Hague, then leader of the opposition, received this contemptuous treatment. Hague made a series of speeches which, reread today, rival Margaret Thatcher’s in their prescience. He predicted that membership would “lead to huge booms and deep recessions”. Hague chillingly added that “the single currency is irreversible. One could find oneself trapped in the economic equivalent of a burning building with no exits.” He noted that euro membership could lead to a “full-blown banking and financial crisis.” Nobody listened, many mocked, and Hague was accused of dragging the Tory party to the Right. The BBC, an integral part of the pro-European alliance, played its full role in marginalising critics such as Hague. The state-owned national broadcaster lumped the Tory leader in with cranks and xenophobes. By contrast, euro supporters were invariably presented as mainstream and sensible. But it is Hague’s speeches that have stood the test of time, while the excitable expostulations of Heseltine, Blair, Mandelson and Clarke all look ridiculous today. So let’s try a thought experiment and ask where Britain would be today if they had won the argument. The first point to note is the British economic boom which ended in 2008 would have been headier still, thanks to the soft interest rate policies pursued by the European Central Bank in the early years of this century. The second is that the subsequent crash would have been far, far worse. We would not have been able to lower rates as far and as fast as we did. We could not have devalued out of trouble. We would have been unable to fuel economic growth by printing money. With these options unavailable, the recession would have turned into depression. It is likely that unemployment would now be heading towards five million and our already broken public finances would be in ruins. Just like Greece and Ireland, we would be unable to raise funds on the international markets and the IMF would have moved in. Angela Merkel of Germany would be offering a bail-out – but only on condition that we follow policies set for us in Europe. We would have lost our independence and become a wholly owned subsidiary of Brussels – the fate Ireland faces today. Yesterday, I tried to reach the leading politicians who tried so hard 10 years ago to abolish the pound – Heseltine, Leon Brittan, Mandelson, Neil Kinnock, Charlie Kennedy. I wanted to ask them whether they stood by their extravagant warnings. I wanted to ask them for an apology. Not one of them came back. Other apologies are called for. From the BBC, which distorted the debate. From the superior commentators who sneered at politicians like William Hague, John Redwood and Iain Duncan Smith as they fought against the euro. From Heseltine and Clarke for their calculated betrayal of Hague. From the CBI, which (under its then director general Adair Turner, now chairman of the Financial Services Authority) sold the interests of British business down the river. One other point. Margaret Thatcher may have been the first victim of the single currency, but there have been many more since: the millions who have lost their jobs and the nations that are being stripped (as she forecast) of their pride and independence. Baroness Thatcher has often been accused by her politically motivated enemies of callousness. But backers of the European project are today happy to countenance unlimited human suffering in their mission to enforce economic and monetary union. Mrs Thatcher knew this would be the result of their deranged plan, which is why she fought to stop it. Her last battle as prime minister could not have been fought in a greater or more compassionate cause.
  10. There's some fairly substantial drops in leicester now, loads of huge victorian type properties with 5 beds plus hitting the market, presume are BTL properties being dumped. Many of the drops seems to be at the top end of the market so far. For example this one £409,950 to £250,000' http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26078305.html 13 October 2010 20:59:54 * Price changed: from '£275,000' to 'Offers in Region of £250,000' [Found by n/a] 22 September 2010 10:17:47 * Price changed: from '£274,950' to '£275,000' [Found by n/a] 20 September 2010 17:29:23 * Price changed: from '£290,000' to '£274,950' [Found by n/a] 09 September 2010 17:30:10 * Price changed: from '£280,000' to '£290,000' [Found by n/a] 07 September 2010 18:54:30 * Price changed: from 'Offers in Excess of £320,000' to '£280,000' [Found by n/a] 21 July 2010 19:52:31 * Price changed: from 'Offers in Region of £350,000' to 'Offers in Excess of £320,000' [Found by n/a] 06 July 2010 17:30:34 * Price changed: from 'Offers in Region of £370,000' to 'Offers in Region of £350,000' [Found by n/a] 03 June 2010 21:06:53 * Price changed: from '£409,950' to 'Offers in Region of £370,000' [Found by n/a] 25 May 2010 16:47:21 * Price found: £409,950 [Found by n/a]
  11. Its galling that the BBC dont allow comments on their stories. Blatently obvious why they dont (afraid of being held up to public scrutiny) but galling all the same.
  12. does the OP think that gdp is net profit?? you cannot share out gdp, its not available to share, unless were discussing a comunist state.
  13. labour are worried that london will be cleansed of labour voters, thats pretty much all they give a shit about.
  14. in this age of social media, it shouldnt be too difficult
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