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  1. EEA was always the logical first step. I’m a remainer but could have accepted that as a compromise. It’s not palatable  to hardened Brexiters of course but the argument that we could completely leave in 2-3 years was always fallacious. We can never completely leave and there will always need to be a serious of stepping stones that could take a decade or more to cross. 

    When people argue against that kind of approach it has to raise suspicions. Typical binary U.K. politics where there can’t be nuances, just thick headed polar opposites. In or out, left or right etc...

  2. Indeed there is, and I'm glad you recognise that. I do love how 'normal' people are Conservatives and bigots are apparently Tories though.. that's really quite cute.

    Do you have a special name for Labour bigots too?

    Let me stop you there.. :lol:


    As a bit of homework would you care to line up the periods where the public sector grew against the political party in power at the time?

    Your graph shows combined local and central expenditure. Nice try but no banana.

    Labour bigots? Do you mean like Gillian Duffy? What do I call her? Your girlfriend.

  3. That is probably because one lot have to spend their first term sorting out the mess of the last lot. Apart from one Gordon Brown, who inherited a fairly decent legacy from Kenneth Clark

    You are joking. Fiscally the last Tory government were doing ok off the back of a natural upswing in the economic cycle. But they left the country with decaying infrastructure, schools and hospitals. They wasted billions on the futile attempt to keep us in the ERM. They presided over a series of cack-handed privatisations that have cost the country billions. They introduced the PFI framework to this country. They grew the state. They failed to regulate the finance sector. They were interventionist in the industrial economy but in a way that added no value. They presided over boom and bust, a housing and credit bubble. They were at the centre of sleaze and corruption scandals.

    In short they made every fecking mistake in the book. Just like Labour did last time. This country has been broken for decades, since the 70s. And we can argue toill the cows come home but the fact is no government has done anything to fix that. It's got worse with every parliament and at the core of it is all is sustained industrial failure which no government has tackled.

  4. I think he needs sleep.

    I'm not even pro-Tory. I just get annoyed with people who tend to vote Labour ignoring the complete and utter mess that they cause every time they get near power as long as they keep the 'evil Tories' out.

    No party has effectively managed the economy for the last 30-40 years. Not Labour. Not the Conservatives. And now the Libs are having a bash at being shyte at it too.

  5. Another 15k dead from car accidents thus week

    How many dead from this reactor this week?

    I'm guessing you lot live in fear of having to use a car?

    Also thousands dead thus week drop slips & trips. Make sure you ain't got any bananas in the house or it may start a thousand page thread on the possible dangers of bananas reducing the friction between your shoes and the wooden floors you just put down!

    Ask again in 5,000 years.

  6. But that's a result of years of branding anything bad as right-wing regardless of whether it is actually right-wing or whether it has anything to do with the Conservatives.

    You're basically using a circular argument saying that they're bigots because they are.

    Not at all. I'm sure most conservatives and conservative supporters are rational, tolerant and very nice people.

  7. Why do you brand people who have a different political view from yourself as bigots? I really don't understand the bile that pours from the left in this country.

    Because a lot of Tory boys are bigots. In fact many right wing traits are inherently bigoted. Wiki says this and I think it's fair:

    "The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders and religion or spirituality."

    So, bigots a lot of the Tory boys are, IMO.

  8. Hilarious, Labourites blaming the Tories for Labour's mess.

    You'll be blaming Thatcher next! laugh.gif

    Don't get me wrong I hate that Labour did nothing to control the housing market. It was their biggest mistake. And it's why I'm here.

    Then again, maybe there was a spark of genius there - the pain endured by Tory boy bigots as they got gazumped by hairdressers, binmen and hospital porters.

  9. Actually having done something, rather than hypoethically would have done the same is not the same!

    In the case of government that is poop. The opposition has a duty to counterbalance the government by questioning policies.

    The tories did not oppose housing policies. They wouldn't because it was in banker's interests

    They didn't object to Labour spending. They pledged to at least match it.

    Regulation - they called for less of it.

    Basically the only credible voice in opposition was Vince Cable, the only person who vociferously questioned government economic policy. Nobody else called them on it. I think it's fairly safe to conclude that we'd be pretty much where we are today no matter what government was in.

  10. Isnt the point of HPC.co.uk about wanting a good old fashioned 'free market' bust.. 50%+ off UK peak prices, after the biggest ever free market property bubble in history.

    1. No. On many threads it seems to be primarily about bigging up (imaginary) right wing experimental economic policies.

    2. Too many people on here fail to see the continuity between governments. What genuine changes are we now seeing?

    3. It'd be better not to take the sadistic boom and bust route. No govt seems to manage that.

    4. I don't think a rapid 50% correction is a good thing. Socially or economically.

  11. Every time they make such statements it just confirms that the UK economy is in a far worse state than even the Japanese economy turned out to be going back those 20 years or so (and still struggling) - far far far far worse.

    Things are so bad and it's most likely so much UK debt and UK borrowing etc is so off balance sheet and still hidden, in the style of Enron and Greece etc, that in 20 years time in 2031 the likes of Blanchflower will be saying "Rates must be held until 2033.

    That is if the crazies at the BoE still have the interest rate job.

    We are in a mess. 300 year low interest rates potentially holding for 5 years! That is fecked up.

    One problem we have now is a chancellor who seems to want to take whatever route he chooses leaving the BoE to pick up the pieces. Problem is the BoE have nowere to go.

    The UK government debt off balance sheet is not the key worry. We are talking PFI (scary at £200bn but not unmanageable) and public sector pension liabilities funded from cash flow (again manageable) as they are in many other countries.

    What is more worrying is what off balance sheet debts financial insitutions have. That is where the next big feck up is coming from.

  12. For a Grade I listed building in London, it seems pretty reasonable, even before you consider the quality of finish required for its diplomatic and state functions.

    Heck, there's a bunch of hideous grade I listed council flats in Sheffield, that are expected to cost at least £200k each to refurb - and that's before any 'unexpected' materials cost inflation or work overruns.

    If you're talking about Park Square in Sheffield then it's a bit different. That is about regenerating a neglected area where thousands of people will live and work. Not really like with like is it.

  13. You lot on here make me laugh.

    If Brown or Blair had had this work done, you'd have gone up the wall knocking them. Instead, as it's Cameron, it's 'OK' because it needed it, or it's reasonable, or whatever you like.

    Truth is, you've all been suckered in by the media drip-feeding how bad our finances have been because of a bloated public sector, whilst forgetting it was the banks at fault, and siding with the same pair of Cameron and Osbourne who are back-slipping fat notes to the very bankers that got us into this mess.

    It's a shame HPC is so tory and doesn't concentrate on what it's supposed to be about - simple home ownership for all. Not 'I'm all right Jack - once I get my hands on a house... and then wait for it to go up in value so I can change my tune'. This very thread shows how tunes have been changed.

    Yep, nothing more than a Tory-boy love-in at times. It's very strange because the last thing most Tories want is a crash in the price of the very asset class that so defines them. If they're wannabe Tories then they need to take a look at themselves because the real free market loving private sector go-getter wouldn't be moping around a message board - they'd be out there bringing in the money. They'd see that the house price bubble was the closest thing to an unrestrained free market we've had in a long time - the paradox is they'd rather have had the state crawling all over the market like the Stasi, just so they could gain an asset they could use to define themselves as a Tory. You couldn't make it up.

  14. Has anyone actually got any money into these relaunched certificates yet? I applied online ten days ago still no paperwork through and no charge to my debit card.

    Applied for four lots, one for each of the family. Two for kids paid for with cheques. Both cheques cashed but only one cert has arrived. My wife's cert has arrived. They took the money almost immediately. They've now taken the money for mine but the cert hasn't arrived.

    All applied for over a week ago.

  15. And equally, we've had a procession of opposing experts telling us the worst that could happen, and has happened. Telling us how we shouldn't believe a word of any government or media source says (whilst quoting said sources). And that instead we should listen to some internet crank analysing pictures of an explosion or whatever.

    My point is that what's happened is somewhere inbetween, as it always has been.

    I think you must have been reading a different thread. There has been very little evidence on here of people predicting an extreme outcome. It has been fairly measured, actually very informative at times. And the best info has often come from non-experts who have taken the trouble to seek out freely available data from reliable and reputable sources. Usually grim data that regularly contradicted the upbeat and often disingenuous messages from the 'experts' on here.

    Because somebody does not agree with the view of a so-called expert on here you would like to think of them as some doomsayer who thinks the Pacific will become some kind of plutonium soup or something. You are wrong.

    As for Tepco and other VIs telling the truth. Well, if you think they have always been consistently honest and truthful you're an idiot.

  16. <sigh>

    There's a big gap between 'not good' and 'utter disaster for the Pacific/millions of fish/people/the world' though.

    'utter disaster for the Pacific/millions of fish/people/the world' is not good ;)

    But the point I was making was that we've had a procession of expers on here telling us it was all contained, safe, nothing to worry about. Telling us how we didn't understand, we couldn't understand because we didn't know as much as them. It turns out they knew feck all.

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