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That southern woman IS Glenn Close from Fatal Attraction And the northern bloke's earning good money considering it's a proven fact shortarses earn less

Move. Away. From. London. And. The. South. East MAFLATSE I'm surprised that southern couple only earn 50k between them. Surely that's after tax or some other thing, they just look richer than me, but me and my wife bring in nearer 60k. Maybe I'm just naturally scruffy or something. Actually the northern couple look better off than me as well, maybe other people are just good at scrubbing up - my son is usually covered in snot and at the moment i have white emulsion in my hair, nathan barley stylee

Just get the tenants to do the maintenance http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-14092572 Nicely sorted

Trying to reduce any set of figures to one representative number is always going to be problematic, instead use some data visualisation - geographic, numeric and abstract - and show as much of the actual data as you can

As said, this is an effect of outsourcing all the minimum wage jobs like dinner ladies, road sweeping and refuse collection to pribic companies. What's the figure for the average wage in the true private sector compared with wages wholly funded by public sector money. I bet the second one would be lower. With what's left you're just finding teachers, policemen and doctors get paid more than you'd get on the till at tesco's, well, durrrr...........

we sold ours off gorgie road in 2006 for 92k, when the average drops back below that then it's a proper correction in my view (in 2007 they peaked at about 120k, mental money, suddenly next door's flat was worth a third more for the same space for no apparent reason)

I've got a Pansonic MP3 player (2GB)

'course people on here share your view, it's basically morphed from a site about "when will house prices get more reasonable" to a gathering point for the lunatic fringe of the conservative party.

yeah, hard working wealth creators don't have time to fill internet fora with posts all day long do they

Except they ceased to be private sector jobs when the government bought half the bank because the private sector wealth creators ******ed up so spectacularly. They're now part of the pribic sector. This is what HPC types want isn't it, cutting the fat from the bloated public sector and its many tentacles?

"-1.1% YoY - Spring bounce well under way then..." ???, unless spring happens at different times every year, any seasonal fluctuations are smoothed out in a year on year measure

Nah, I live in Scotland. Feeling solidarity with the striking workers nevertheless.

If the oxbridge caveat holds, iit's because it's more who you know after emerging from those places that gets you a job rather than just having the degree. For instance, anecdotal uff uff uff, I know a PhD in biological sciences from oxford, came from a standard middle-class background, very bright, but not having an 'in' now works at at £25,000 level job for a local council The old polys might do better out of this than you'd think, because they still tend to teach vocational degrees targeted at jobs and many do year-long placements as part of their courses. Not many teach the more "degree for the sake of it" subjects like classics or languages that used to get chinless wonders into the civil service

******** (apart from the superior being bit), it's been bad for the private sector for about 3 or 4 years, which is when I've started seen things go tits up for people. Is it 14 years to make it 1997 to fit in nicely with the "it's all labour's fault" mantra?

deffo, it's the way to be

They were probably hoping the private sector workers had the balls to stand up for themselves. More fool them if they're happy to let slip rights and conditions that unions gained them over the last couple of centuries. Doesn't mean everyone else has to accept the same fate.

Because they were promised it as part of their contracts. I would like to tell scottish power to shove their power bills because I can't afford their latest ridiculous increase, but they get narky and say I've signed the contract and then take action like cutting me off. Bastards. Similarly, there's contractual guarantees for savers which if they weren't honoured would send this place critical. When santander collapses, "Yeh, i know we said we'd refund the first £50,000 but frankly the money's not there, you can whistle...."

That's not an obvious reply, it's a deflection. The question is "why aren't you a teacher, if it's so well paid and easy?". I know my reasoning is that it isn't easy so I haven't become one. What's yours?

Except the parents where one gave up a job would struggle to pay a mortgage (not many people work for fun n frolics) and would qualify for more tax credits, thus little or no change in the welfare bill. Then you've got the kids loss of social contact with their peers. Home schooling only works if you like being poor or your offspring can't mix with other kids, thus only religious nutjobs and the weird currently do it. Shit, even Steiner School kids aren't that odd. A-ha! i knew it! IT bod with an axe to grind because some indian has nicked his 50k a year VB number. As has been said ad infinitum, iof it's a piece of piss go and do it before the gravy train derails! 30K for a piece of piss! You've either got to be stupid not to, or bullshitting in the first place no?

Bit harsh I only went in for some paint-on rubber coating for my shed roof

you making helpful contributions again si1? maybe they just read the salray thread on here a while back, where everyone claimed to be a private sector IT juggernaut earning 70k at a minimum, and then, with their next breath, paradoxically claim they can't afford a £200K 2-bed starter-home in some new town hellhole.

I think this way round is a much more relevant reminder for the kind of mindset that inhabits these fora

Remember they said "a promoted teacher" i.e. head of dept, equivalent to a managerial post in the privvy sector, and thus only about 1 in 8 teachers can be in this position. Normal teachers reach 33k after about 8 years of increments, starting on about 23K... actually here's the scales --> http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/pay-and-benefits.aspx

Gove is a lurching travesty of a man, even for a politician. His latest suggestion was that parents keep schools open on Thursday, somehow bypassing all the CRB checks required when in contact with other people's kids (maybe Glitter will get to the panto) and also missing the point that parents either a) need to be at wortk or if able to look after their own kids, won't be volunteering to look after anyone else's.

Yeah, cos citywire's the place to go for the views of joe public. And now over to our correspondent at the Socialist Worker... You also miss the point that the teaching unions don't NEED public support, it'd be nice, but it's not essential, if they can cause enough disruption there will be a clamour to get them back to work whatever, Secondly, if the unions did need support all they have to do is offer to agree to some of the changes, in return for MPs agreeing to similar changes in their pensions / perks / holidays whatever. After all, we're all in it together agreed? Safe in the knowledge that politicians are currently as popular as Gary Glitter at a school panto, they could easily deflect the public onto them, especially when the MPs refuse to countenance any changes to their conditions, on the grounds they've only recently been stopped from stealing all they could carry and that's enough surely?